Why did George W Bush not listen to his father?? Did he disrespect him?

[kentuck]

As John Kerry said in the debate the other night...
"You know the president's father did not go
into Iraq into Baghdad beyond Basra. And the reason he didn't is, he
said, he wrote in his book: because there was no viable exit strategy.
And he said our troops would be occupiers in a bitterly hostile land.
That's exactly where we find ourselves today. There's a sense of
American occupation."

[GainesT1958]

1. I think that's the point in the debate...

At which Dub started to hold his breath...but I'll have to watch the C-SPAN tape again, just to make sure!:eyes:

Oh, he's just jealous of his Poppy because he can't be like him--you know, a wimp with a BRAIN!:D

B-)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

2. PNAC baby

PNACers got a hold of baby bush.

[punpirate]

3. Had Bush, Sr., won a second term...

... Cheney and others would have arranged this war then, rather than now. One has to go back to the position paper written by Wolfowitz in 1992, which was quickly withdrawn once it became public knowledge. That paper formed the basis for the 1998 memo to Clinton to invade Iraq, the PNAC "New American Century" document, and the 2002 U.S. strategic security position paper.

While it's fair for Kerry to use George H.W. Bush's official and published remarks on the subject, that doesn't mean it was gospel. Bush, Sr., suckered Hussein into invading Kuwait, in order to use a retaliatory attack to kill him. Those attacks failed. The only reason this war occurred now was that Clinton's election interfered with the neo-cons' plans.

Cheers.

[LittleClarkie]

6. To be fair

it is said, I believe by the Rolling Stone article, that Bush saw the danger in the plan that Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to execute, and so tabled it quickly.

Even now, all Bush Sr. will say when asked how Sonny is doing, is that "he's listening too much to his advisors." Even that is telling enough.

I loved that part of the debate. Give em hell, Johnny!

[punpirate]

9. Hmm... do you believe that...

... Bush, Sr., is any less slimy than his son?

I've read the transcripts of conversations between April Glaspie and Hussein eight days before Hussein invaded Kuwait, when she relayed James Baker III's specific instructions that the U.S. took no interest in "Arab-Arab affairs." Then Bush lied about what was going on in Iraq (babies thrown from incubators) and shed a few public tears to whip up public sentiment for that war.

Then (because I was unemployed at the time) I watched nothing but war coverage, and saw mention of at least six, and possibly eight, attempts to kill Hussein through bombing attacks.

A year before, Bush, Sr., had arranged yet another invasion, of Panama, to silence a renegade CIA source, Noriega.

At the conclusion of the Gulf War, the person champing at the bit to continue on to Baghdad was Richard Cheney, Bush's Sec. of Defense. The only thing that stopped them at that time was the lack of a UN resolution to do so, combined with a large voluntary coalition which was supporting only the removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

No matter what Bush, Sr., has said, the people around him, as with the ones around Bush, Jr., wanted to get rid of Hussein. They've finally gotten their wish.

Bush, Sr.'s concerns in this latest misadventure were with the Saudis, not the United States or its military.

Maybe our difference of opinion stems from my previous reading, which suggests that both Bushes are thoroughly and absolutely corrupt, each in their own way.

Cheers.

[LittleClarkie]

10. I did not know all of that

Yes, if all of that is true, indeed Bush Sr. is just as corrupt.

But smarter. He was the architect of his crimes. I'm thinking that Bush Jr. is mostly a front for Cheney and Co. He's not smart enough to do what dad did.

[punpirate]

12. Indeed, the elder Bush is craftier...

..., but no more honest than his son.

If you want to see how things played out before, during and after the Gulf War, and compare that to events before, during and after the latest invasion, I would suggest John MacArthur's Second Front. You will be amazed at the political similarities from then to now. Same program, same intentions. Get rid of Hussein. The recent invasion could have only played out as closely to the Gulf War as it did with the behind-the-scenes assistance of George H.W. Bush.

Cheers.

[cheshire]

4. Rebel without a clue

[Bleacher Creature]

5. There's issues there.

I'm not sure what they are, but there's definitely issues. I think that was why Kerry brought up his father -- to get Shrub unnerved.

[RebelYell]

7. Oedipus complex

He's jealous of his father and competes with him. Georgie is still 6 years olds emotionally. Arrested development.

[Tansy_Gold]

13. "He's got major issues with his father."

I was visiting a friend this afternoon to watch the DVD of F 9/11. We were constantly stopping the film to make observations, especially about boosh's behavior in various scenes, everything from the dazed stare in the classroom to the flight suit to his bizarre address to the press after his "conversation" with the 9/11 commission (this is in the extras on the DVD).

Invariably, we came to the same opinion: boosh acts like a little boy in a grown-up body. I called it "arrested emotional development."

Then her husband arrived home from work. He is a mental health professional, so we asked him to watch a few key scenes and give his "expert" analysis.

"I don't need to see any more of him than I already have. He shows so many signs of classic arrested emotional development. The constant anger, the slips into crude sex talk, the obsessive relish for violence, the lies and then denial of lies when confronted with them. He's got major issues with his father, a real love-hate relationship that he's never confronted or resolved. I knew he was sick four years ago, and he's sicker now."

[pacalo]

8. That is my opinion, exactly.

[DieboldMustDie]

11. He listens to a Higher Father.

:crazy: