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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:45 PM
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Look what I just found...supposedly Bush's debate prep
I have no idea who really made this..found it via bit torrent on SuprNova... cant help but wonder if someone actually leaked Bush's debate prep to the internet...

http://bushlies2.us/debate_brief.pdf

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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:47 PM
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1. Didn't a "leak" happen during the Gore * debates too?
Back in 00 I recall that * debate prep was hand delivered to Gore but it was a fake meant for Gore to focus on the wrong things.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:49 PM
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2. Hmm..good point.....
guess we'll see tomorrow...
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:59 PM
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5. I don't think it was fake, but it didn't matter
It was a complete Rove job. The point of the "leak" was so it would get in the news that "someone" had turned information that would hurt Bush in the debates over to Gore. Obviously, the "someone" would have to be a Gore supporter: why else would the person leak information to the Gore campaign? (I wonder...)

Of course, no one at the Gore campaign was stupid enough to actually look at it (nor did Rove expect them to), so it wouldn't have mattered if it were real or not.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:01 PM
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6. Oh yeah, I do remember that now...
I think youre right - the whole stink was about trying to pin the leak on the dems.
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Buck Turgidson Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:57 PM
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3. I'm suspicious..
The title says, "..for SENATOR KERRY". This document is not "..for President Bush".

It's a spoof and you are circulating it.

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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:04 PM
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8. Hey man
Im just sharing what I found with people who I know have open minds, so if yours isnt so open, I suggest not reading topics started by me. I am extremely liberal, so much that I do not consider myself a democrat. Democrats are wimps as far as Im concerned (and very hypocritical). I am, however, a Kerry supporter. And as a supporter, if I find something like this that may actually be something of use or interest, I will share it on this board where I know there are many like minded people. Again, if you do not like that, that is your problem and I suggest you ignore my future posts.
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Buck Turgidson Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:24 PM
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16. I am right, you are wrong.
This piece of dung is straight off of the Bush-Cheney web site.

http://www.georgewbush.com/media/PDFs/D_book.pdf

I'm waiting for your apology.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:28 PM
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17. Im not apologizing, and you were not right
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 04:30 PM by phish420
I just found it on suprnova. Sorry, I dont frequent *'s website to see what they have up there since I know it is usually bullshit. Like I said, I found it, thought it interesting, so I threw it up here...besides, you were saying it was a 'spoof'. I dont think s 'spoof' would be posted on their website.
So let me correct myself...the link above is the released debate prep for *. OK? Happy now? If not, I honestly dont give a shit.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:43 PM
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23. After everything that happened to Dan Rather, you should
know better.:-)
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:54 PM
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27. First of all, Im not Dan f-ing Rather
Second of all:

(taken from reply to another post in this thread, but it applies to you as well):
I posted this because I randomly came across it as a new upload to suprnova.org, where I find many liberal documentaries and so forth. I said from the very get go I didnt know the source, and I didnt know what it was about. I just threw it out here to let fellow Kerry supporters know it was out there, and once again I am labelled a dumb ass, a troll, a republican operative, and so forth (and by newbs that have less than 100 posts no less!). I wil remain a Kerry supporter until 5 minutes after I cast my vote for him on Nov 2nd, ten I become independent again and will QUICKLY distance myself from the democratic party. This is the third board to accuse me of trolling liberal boards and being a * plant, despite spending the moajority if the past 9 months operating a site called BushLies2.Us featuring Bush Lies TV, dedicated to defeating this man in November.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:56 PM
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28. I was only joking with ya.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:58 PM
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29. Yeah, but others think the same thing, only seriously.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:58 PM
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4. Hm. I did some structural checking...
It is written on a 4th grade level.

Sentences per paragraph: 1.6
Words per sentence:3.5
Characters per word:4.6
Passive sentences: 0

Flesch-Kincaid grade level: 4th year, 6th month
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:05 PM
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9. Good point...
but it is more of a synapsis I think - a rough draft of general points, not a thesis. IMHO
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:11 PM
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10.  I thought it was a hoax until I read your post. I'm
not so sure anymore. Anything written for mims would have to be 4th grade level or lower.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:16 PM
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12. LOL! Very true. n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:11 PM
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11. Well, there you go. That proves it was written for B*sh.
:)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:03 PM
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7. Didn't I see this in "Animal House?"
The guys steal a "phony" exam (planted by the bad guys), and the whole fraternity fails the midterms????
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treading_water Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:19 PM
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13. What am I missing?
This is obviously a joke, right? Or what am I missing?

I mean:

"Your Attacks
Pretend like no position you have ever taken matters. Political
opportunity, pessimism and the implication of inevitable defeat
is the key here. Nobody knows what you really believe anyway."

It's a joke document to slam Kerry. It's probably making the "hee hee" email rounds among the freepers now.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:19 PM
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14. obviously a satire
This is supposed to be a debate prep made for use by Senator Kerry (but prepared for him by Bush-Cheney '04; first clue). The very first thing inside is "Your Current Position," which is as follows: "The removal of Saddam Hussein has made America less secure. You're currently against the war and wouldn't have gone to war, but you used to be for the war before you were against the war before you were for the war."

Sounds like something a stupid Freeper would write to get a chuckle from his friends (4th grade level sounds right).
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:22 PM
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15. How could you have read two sentences into this without realizing it was
a joke?
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:29 PM
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18. This 'joke' is on georgewbush.com
Would a 'joke' be posted on a non-official website??
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:32 PM
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19. btw, this is how they have it on the main page:
They say it is KERRY'S debate book 'unveilled', but it says 'prepared by Bush/Cheney '04' - confusing.


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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:33 PM
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20. Oh, puh-leez, peeps.
Obvious satire.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:34 PM
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21. Once again...it is on georgewbush.com
Isnt that their official site?? Or am I incorrect?
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:38 PM
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22. Ok....Fine
If you think this is a 'joke' that the GOP posted on the official site of George W Bush for President - that is fine. I thought that my reputation with my previous posts and website would provoke a second look and honest discussion...but once again, this so-called 'liberal' board will call me a 'troll' and so forth, even though this is a real document on Bush's real site. http://www.georgewbush.com
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:45 PM
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25. George W. Bush, himself is a joke.
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:44 PM
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24. Phish
You can't be serious. You thought this piece of juvenile satire was a real debate prep for Bush? It is obviously a slam against Kerry. I read about three sentences and realized it for what it is, another repub character attack against John Kerry. It won't affect anyone here who honestly supports Kerry but it will make the conservative website and blog rounds to much self satisfied laughter.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:52 PM
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26. That is completely beside the point
I posted this because I randomly came across it as a new upload to suprnova.org, where I find many liberal documentaries and so forth. I said from the very get go I didnt know the source, and I didnt know what it was about. I just threw it out here to let fellow Kerry supporters know it was out there, and once again I am labelled a dumb ass, a troll, a republican operative, and so forth. I wil remain a Kerry supporter until 5 minutes after I cast my vote for him on Nov 2nd, ten I become independent again and will QUICKLY distance myself from the democratic party. This is the third board to accuse me of trolling liberal boards and being a * plant, despite spending the moajority if the past 9 months operating a site called BushLies2.Us featuring Bush Lies TV, dedicated to defeating this man in November.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:37 PM
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30. RELAX
You'll need a thicker skin if you're going to survive here!

For what its worth, I think its plain that this is satire, but I don't think you were involved in perping the myth.

But if you start getting antagonistic, then you're going to cast doubt on yourself. You'll sound guilty!

So relax, shake it off.
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