Sick of Security Moms

[Avalux]

Why is this story dominating the news? I heard about it this morning on NPR and again just now on Countdown w/Keith Olbermann (Keith is absent today). The mind control is working, folks. These idiotic women have been scared into thinking shrub can keep their children safe. I feel sorry for them.
TV is off. Not turning it on again cause I don't want to hear it.

[XanaDUer]

1. You're sick of them because they are idiots.

Eom.

[getoffmytrain]

2. these...

Are these the ones that make their kids wear knee pads at soccer practice?

[ScreamingMeemie]

3. Bush has got another think coming from us mammas. Yeah,we're on our

feet, but not for the reasons he wants everyone to believe. This woman is out there protecting her child from an imbecilic emperor wannabe.

[XanaDUer]

4. This concept ties in with my male relative telling me that

"if I had children, then I would vote for *."

So security dads are idiots, too.

[Avalux]

6. Who is he voting for now?

And why would having children make a difference? Geez. I don't understand the logic of some people.

[XanaDUer]

12. Bush, and I am a "traitor"

to our family and our nation if I don't vote for Bush, too.

One of my posts on it:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2378645

[Avalux]

24. Excellent email

keep at it - although from personal experience, it can be almost impossible to change their minds (I didn't say impossible, cause it can be done). :hi:

[XanaDUer]

38. Thanks. He and I went back and forth and he

e-mailed me "proof" of why the US going into Iraq is going to save us from terrorism. I had thought we had agreed to disagree on politics, but he just kept sending me crap through the e-mail.

[blondeatlast]

21. YES'M! You and me both!

Vote with your children in mind and the choice couldn't be easier.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

37. No security mom here either!

I'm a MOB mom (Mothers Opposing Bush)!

I think it's a lot like the fact that a lot of women also drive SUV's because they make them "feel" safer. They aren't but it makes them "feel" as if they are. Not sure how to get them to "feel" that way about Kerry or why they "feel" that way with *. I don't get them at all.

[KoKo]

5. Don't you get it? It's Karl Rove's Latest. His Marketing Campaign to

to convince "buyers" that there's a new group of females out there called "Security Moms."

If the Media is all over it and you're sick of it doesn't it remind you of the "Dell Computer Ad" with that Dude? Or whatever other ads you got sick of seeing because they were crammed down your throat.

There aren't any "Security Moms" but by the time they finish they will think they've convinced a whole group of Mothers that Chimp will keep them safe because they belong to a "Group."

Ugh....I'm glad I'm not watching the crap they are selling...but I have to say I saw some of it when I was watching for hurricane coverage...you can't escape even if you have given up the cables...

[sallyseven]

7. Don't these women know that bush hates them?

Republicans dislike women. They think that they are stupid and I guess they are. They are really afraid that these women will see bush for what he is. Security moms my eye.

[roseBudd]

8. A flyer for Security Moms

I gave the flyer below to a campus area landlord Bush supporter and he read every word. Quite simply SM s don't know the Iraq War has made them less safe because they have not read Army War College Report "Bounding The Global War On Terror" of Dec. 03. The flyer below summarizes.


Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print.

[Avalux]

9. Good point

the three women I saw interviewed on Countdown certainly were suspect. Paid operatives more than likely.

[SW FL Dem]

35. Unfortunately, I know of 2 Security Moms

Both well educated, intelligent life- long liberal Dems. I've been doing my best to try to convince them that the Bush ads are lies and that Kerry will protect their families. These women vote in Florida!! Please don't discount this. It is resonating among women, and Kerry needs to address it ASAP.

[KoKo]

40. A marketing campaign that's working. Sad...but I knew there would be

women who would fall for it. There's not much you can do. Let's hope that something else comes up that changes their minds between now and November 2.

[G_j]

20. I have a hard time buying it too

I always thought most mothers had a pretty acute instinct about
the safety of their children. Most mothers I know see bush as a threat to their kids. Or maybe I live in an isolated bubble where I actually know people who are sane?

[Peanut Gallery]

23. Exactly

The GOP treats voters as if they speak with one voice and think with one mind. They lifted it right out of a marketing strategy handbook. I hate this label as much as I hate it when cable TV pundits invoke "The American People" in their Sunday morning news programs (i.e., "The American People" think this or "The American People" think that). They don't speak for me.

And I think a subtler message here is: Bush as the Alpha Male. Bush as Protector. Bush as Patriarch.

[Malva Zebrina]

10. I believe they are more interested in keeping their big homes safe

and their children's private school education safe. I believe they are more interested in keeping their shallow, souless way of life safe and could care less about the thousands of lives that have been lost due to the evil Bush and his lies and his invasions and his killings and his corrupted corporation buddies.

I believe that they think they have reached some sort of elevated class in this society because they have mortgaged and live in a great big house, on a quarter of an acre of land, butted up against a neighbor whose house is just as tinky tacky and huge as theirs.

I believe they think themselves above those poor slobs who are sent by a maniac to die for his greed, for his quest for abject power.
They have adopted that Leona Helmsley attitude because it elevates their ego.

I believe they are caught up in the souless pursuit of material acquistions that will, indeed, prove they are above the ones who are sent to die.

All that war stuff is for the "little guy"

[clevergirl]

19. Strange phenomenom

A dark but, I believe, accurate view. There's not a lot of "community" in exurbia; the view is -- I'm looking after ME. These folks feel very insecure in their lives -- I'm guessing your basic stay at home mommy is more likely to be a Security Mom than a working mother. Hell, I'd feel insecure too if I was my husband's paycheck away from (shudder) a house similiar to the one I grew up in! (I hope you notice my sarcasm)

Another phenomenom I've noticed is that the further away a mommy is from Ground Zero and the Pentagon, the more afraid of terrorists they are... the mommies of Leawood, Kansas, seem to be much more worried about terrorists that I am -- and I live one short bus ride from the Pentagon, see actual Middle Eastern people in my grocery store, and am often in government buildings...

[cheshire]

11. Because it's all they think they have. Maybe the faith based wasn't so

big after all. Blah Blah Blah. Do you know how many there are. It could be 100. BFD.

[Avalux]

18. Or only 10

paid by Rove & Co. to appear on every damn news program for the next week or so. KoKo01's post got me thinking about it, and the whole "Security Mom" thing is probably a well-orchestrated fabrication. All intended to create a voting group that didn't exist in the first place.

[bringbackfdr]

13. Do any of these dopes have teenage sons?

If so, it's hard to muster a lot of sympathy when their kids are shipped off to Iraq, Iran or North Korea in the next four years.

[blondeatlast]

25. Indeed. Rove is behind this; how many threads tonight on the subject? nt

[qanda]

14. They're the same ones who were told

They needed to be kept safe from the blacks and then headed for the hills. It's just an extension of playing on the racist that remains in a lot of white folks. I don't know anyone from the black community talking about this nonsense, because we know that we are much more likely to be done wrong by our own government than any terrorist sitting in a cave.

[calico1]

15. There aren't as many of these

"security moms" as the media would like you to believe. Every election they have to come up with some catchy sounding group of voters. The Nascar dad thing didn't sell too well I guess so they had to come up with some other stupid name. Yes there are idiot women (and men) out there who despite having a war happy President just don't connect the dots between that and the possibility their kids could get drafted. But I don't buy that they exist in the overwhelming amounts the media and Rove, etc, would like you to believe. They repeat this catch phrase in the hopes that women will become "security moms" not because they already exist. I have faith that most women know who has their best interests in mind and that's not *. Most real "security" moms and dads are just idiot Republicans would have already been drinking the kool aid.

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[blondeatlast]

17. I'm the mom of a 7 year old. These women ought to fear the DRAFT.

I suspect the odds are far higher that their kid would die in a war than an isolated terrorist incident.

[direwolf]

22. Agree wholeheartedly

It is such a ridiculous term. I don't know of any moms who aren't security conscious. Kind of goes with the territory.

I'm sick of hearing the term "security mom", I'm sick of there being "funeral moms" due to this administration's f***ups, and I'm afraid that if Kerry is not elected, we will add another horrible category.

Draft Moms.

[Malikshah]

26. Security Moms-- Oxymoron twice over

In supporting * they are underming the country's security
In undermining the country's security they are endangering their children's lives--showing a reckless disregard a la Medea.

Shame on each and every one of them.

There is absolutely no excuse to vote for *. None. End of story.

[Catfight]

27. Two words: Talking Points.

[geek tragedy]

28. Dems ignore stupid voters at their own peril.

Kerry needs stupid votes too. Ignoring a problem or embracing stupid conspriacy theories won't get Kerry any votes.

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. and stereotyping segments of society won't help Bush and friends either.

:hi:

[geek tragedy]

30. What segments?

People who think that Bush will magically keep their kids safe are stupid.

They can be educated, but they're stupid.

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. Simply. They don't exist. Not in the way Bush would have you believe.

Soccer Moms, Nascar Dads and now security moms. You know what? I fit the stereotype, minivan, three bedroom home, two different soccer deals a night. Quick dinners. Hopes for my kids' futures. They have totally made this up. :hi: That's what I'm saying.

[geek tragedy]

34. You're one person, and while you seem like a righteous woman

Beslan freaked some mothers out. I have an aunt who is just now returning to sanity.

Bush has been murdering Kerry with the terror issue. Kerry just needs to reassure people that he'll keep their kids safe.

[DemMother]

32. Security moms are a media myth; debunked several places

I've posted this before (from Mothers of Invention by Noam Scheiber in the New Republic);

"If you've been following the presidential campaign these last few weeks, you've probably heard a thing or two about security moms--the erstwhile soccer moms who became obsessed with terrorism after September 11, and, in the process, began tilting Republican. The typical "security mom" story--variations of which have appeared in The Washington Post (twice), The New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the Philadelphia Inquirer in recent weeks, as well as on CNN, ABC, and NPR--cites the hair-raising effect of the recent Russian school massacre...All of them conclude that security moms could cost John Kerry the election.

Oh, and the stories usually have one other thing in common: They're based on almost no empirical evidence...

Indeed, just about the only evidence you can find in support of the security mom proposition comes from the New York Times/CBS poll. A Times/CBS poll conducted September 12-16 found that Bush gained 14 points relative to Kerry among women since mid-August, but a mere four points relative to men (itself a highly dubious proposition), which would have narrowed the gender gap substantially. When I asked CBS polling director Kathy Frankovic about this, her response was sheepish. "I attribute it to short-term/long-term" differences, she said. In any case, Frankovic was quick to add, CBS had just finished another poll, which showed a return of the "gender gap one would expect."

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=scheiber092404


Hopefully you won't have to register to read it. There are also security mom debunkings other places including Donkey Rising a few days ago (includes link to TNR article and other stories).

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000710.php

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000718.php

It's too bad the lazy, irresponsible media has reduced us all to arguing about fake issues like security moms or John Kerry's tan rather than issues than have something to do with reality. I guess we all now live in W's fantasy world of spin.

[Avalux]

36. Thanks

OK then - those women who appeared on MSNBC were paid operatives. Bitches.

[DemMother]

39. Read the articles...it's not a surge away from Kerry

It's a repub spin point the media picked up after the convention. I'm sure there are insecure women out there--one of the "security moms" quoted in a recent article was identified as a republican. Maybe those women on MSNBC were genuinely frightened at the thought of a Kerry administration...it's just not a trend that has been picked up in any poll except in an earlier one conducted by CBS--and even they say the figures didn't repeat in a subsequent poll.

I think the most effective way to argue this "issue" is to point out that there isn't any there there, rather than to act like this is a group we need to win back. We're just playing into their hands by working according to their script (the media and the repubs).

[henslee]

33. Are those the same bitches who got Gestapo medals for giving their

babies to the fatherland?