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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:58 AM
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My E-Mail to a Freeper Idiot Friend
Background: I have a friend (and yes, I'm sure we'll be friendly again someday -- this guy is married to my best friend of twenty years) who supports the Evil One. We have been going back and forth with e-mails that have me (stupidly!) presenting facts, evidence and 54 different credible sources, while he was pretending to get into a lather when I used "its hard to prove a negative -- when did you stop beating your wife, Brian?" and doing the *cough* "CBS FORGED DOCUMENTS" to discount data. I finally have had enough, and this is what I sent to him. Enjoy!

SUBJECT: I'm Convinced. By the way, have you ever considered...

...the potential investment opportunities available in the purchase of a well traveled bridge? I happen to own one -- not a big one, mind -- but a nice, reasonable, easy to maintain, PROFITABLE bridge. I painted it orange, but everyone calls it Golden. Lots of people use it, so you can charge tolls and make LOTS of money. I would keep it myself, but I just get SO BUSY I rarely have time to take care of it the way I want, and then there is all that money, and after a while, you just get bored with collecting it. So, how about I SELL IT TO YOU at a very reasonable price? What do you say?

I'm willing to offer it TO YOU at a very LOW price, Brian, because anyone GULLIBLE enough to believe that a decorated Navy war veteran who pissed off Nixon thirty-five years ago, worked as a prosecutor and assistant district attorney, and served twenty years in the United States Senate is a "traitorous treasonous commie sympathizer" and just managed to what -- FOOL EVERYONE FOR THE LAST THIRTY-FIVE YEARS??? -- is probably DUMB ENOUGH to fall for that LINE OF SHIT, too!

WOW. The twisting path your brain has to take to ignore common sense (no one came forward because they didn't notice he was a UNITED STATES SENATOR???) so YOU can gleefully PARTICIPATE in a BLATANT SMEAR CAMPAIGN just boggles my brain. Nixon or the Navy could have tossed his butt IN JAIL 35 years ago if he really had done something wrong, but they didn't because ... Oh, he was able to keep his televised Congressional testimony a secret from all but a few people, who in fear of (something) NEVER CAME FORWARD UNTIL --- UNTIL NOW!!! (Cue dramatic music!)

Gullible. There really is no other word for it. So, I'm giving up on you. You've convinced me there is no way "reality" is going to interfere with you having made up your mind, so I think you really need to stay a Bush supporter, because you DEFINITELY have a lot more in common with him than you do the rest of us. (Hey, not EVERYBODY can be "above average".) And, just so you know how you managed to convince me, I want you to know there were two other things you said that CONVINCED ME its not worth my time to talk with you about this anymore.

I know you haven't graduated from college yet, and high school was a long time ago, so you probably aren't aware or don't remember that putting quote marks around PARAPHRASES is not "deliberately misleading someone about a source" (that's another paraphrase of your comments), but actually PROPER PUNCTUATION. Your ignorance of this basic rule makes it extremely difficult to communicate with you, since your assumption is that * I * am LYING to you (instead of you just being an ignorant fuckhead -- yes, that's a personal insult, with the added benefit of being true).

Lastly, and frankly, more important to me, was your absolutely CLINTONESQUE argument about the meaning of IS: What IS body armor? Technically, YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT -- a "flak jacket" in some circles, is probably considered to be "body armor." But the type of man who can read these two sentences:

"Most national guard troops and reservists deployed in Iraq have been sent with only Vietnam-era flak jackets that are much less effective in stopping shrapnel and bullets.
"The army's new Interceptor vests are lighter, and their ceramic plates can stop bullets from high-velocity assault rifles at short range, as well as bomb shrapnel."


and walk away from it with "it was just an upgrade!" while ignoring the life and death consequences of the distinction for real people in combat IS NOT someone I want people to think of as a Kerry supporter.

So you can comfort yourself, Brian, that I am indeed a Liberal, and I'm sure you can explain to yourself how I have sunk into the pits of personal attack. Technically, you are going to be right. I think you are definitely an ignorant, gullible, self-righteous fuckhead, and I think YOU should definitely cast your vote for Bush.

I want to thank you for opening my eyes to something: some people, no matter how much reality hits them, will always want to play at being stupid. Yes, I'm putting you in that category; blah, blah, Liberal insult, whatever. You took a discussion about ISSUES, and started trying to play "tweek Ida into an insulted frenzy" which is something only a real Jerk who couldn't stand beside his issues with pride could do. Guess it was too hard, hmm? I gave you over fifty CREDIBLE sources, while you sent me to a website that took the art of "out of context" into new levels, and an interview with Bob Dole that he publicly retracted two days later. I'm supposed to have an intellectual discussion about FACTS with someone as poorly informed AS YOU? Give me a break!

And more importantly, you thought * I * was stupid enough not to notice the insults and slams. Like I wasn't going to notice you having "pretend outrage" over beating Karen. Give me a break! It was right up there with the "subtlety" you displayed in comparing MY veracity to that of CBS. I guess that means I won the debate, because once you couldn't answer it back with anything except "it depends on the meaning of IS and by the way I'm going to compare YOU with CBS" (paraphrase again!), it really proved you had NOTHING to back your case with except wishful thinking.

Oh, and I knew you were a Hannity fan because Karen told me, while you referencing him confirmed it. Just one more example of how I get my information from multiple sources, and put the pieces together to form COHERENT thoughts. You should try it some time. Of course, that might make it harder to support Bush, so better not try it until AFTER the election, please.

Like I said, I officially want you to tell EVERYONE that you back Bush, and I want you to explain it to them with the same skill you explained it to me. In fact, I might even pick you up a gift to help you convert the Undecided: there's a t-shirt with "Ignorant In-Bred Pig Fucking Farmers for Bush" that really seems appropriate. (Its got a picture of a real pig on it, so don't pretend I'm referencing anything other than a real farm animal here since we all know how you love to take things out of context.)

Oh, and until you pick up the phone and apologize for some of those not so subtle insults, I'm not going to be reading anymore of your e-mails. You stepped over the line when you called me a liar, you ignorant asshole, and if I thought you were worth it, I'd probably be pissed, but since you are not, I'm just going to consider the source, and get over it. In fact, you've really helped me clarify my own position: when a guy like YOU doesn't like Kerry, he's DEFINITELY doing SOMETHING right!

Thanks, Brian. Now go Cheney yourself.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:04 AM
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1. *BOOM* *thud*
The sound of a neoconservative attack strategery being shot down (and hitting the ground).
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:26 AM
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9. Thank you! I appreciate that comment! nt
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:05 AM
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2. LOL . . . do me a favor Ida. . . .
remind me never to piss you off :)
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:29 AM
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11. Not a problem.
I'm a reasonable woman, but willfully stupidity infuriates me. You should have seen how I was holding back before finally deciding I was wasting too much time on this guy. I kept presenting FACTS and EVIDENCE and documenting my sources -- up to and including white house transcripts! -- boy, was I wasting my time! Best to just consider this guy one of the "vote for us or be like him!" bad examples of the world!

:evilgrin:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:48 AM
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17. Good for you!
I know a gay, Repuke guy who is not reachable. Last year I made a comment that Enron had committed fraud in California. He denied it. I brought him a printout from FERC that said that Enron was barred from trading energy in the western states because of massive fraud. He said the government document was liberal propaganda! :eyes:
He has screamed at me and accused liberals of being Leninists, Marxists, Communists, who are going to round up Republicans into camps and put them in prison. The projection is leaking out of his ears.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:17 PM
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27. Perhaps suggesting medication? With a concerned smile? <evilgrin> nt
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:06 AM
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3. Holy crap!
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 09:07 AM by fudge stripe cookays
Remind me never to piss you off! Game, set, MATCH!

Is that T-shirt for real? I'd like to send one to my uncle.

FSC
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:31 AM
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12. Thank you! Yes, the t-shirts exist...
but I'm not sure from where. Another friend we know has one, and I have to ask him where he got them. I'll post as soon as I know. :)
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jocal Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:39 PM
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23. T-Shirt info
Direct link to tshirt is:
http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a344

Here's what it looks like:


By looking at their wares, they don't appear to like Bush or Kerry. Other stuff on the site may be offensive to some....
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:09 PM
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25. Yeah! THANK YOU!
I was looking everywhere (haven't heard back from the guy who knows where to find it) and couldn't find it! You are awesome! I am going to put it in a "reply to self" just to help people find it! THANK YOU AGAIN!!! :)
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Badger1 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:07 AM
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4. Way To Go Idaho!
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:07 AM
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5. Wonderful! Wish I could be that eloquent when dealing with my sister ...
and her *-loving family.

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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:32 AM
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13. Thank you! Feel free to borrow parts as needed! nt
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:09 AM
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6. you're going to be friendly with this guy again?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:33 AM
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14. LOL
EXACTLY!
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 05:00 PM
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18. Eventually. He is married to one of my best friends.
To be fair, I've known he's an idiot for a LONG time, so I kind of brought it on myself. Looking on the bright side, he did help me gather my documentation, and clarify my own thoughts, so I'm walking away from it with some good things. Plus, it was good to smack him down -- I am NOT the old fashioned wimpy Liberal -- I am LIBERAL WITH AN ATTITUDE!!! <smile>
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TwoHandedLayup Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:21 AM
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7. Sweet!
Hope you guys can get along after this at least for family events!!! Wow. Well said.

I like the Tshirt idea. Do they really exist.

Also, post his reply if he has one.....other than Kerry is a flip flopper.....errr... he doen't know which way he voted.
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catchthefever Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:24 AM
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8. As for his emails
I'd report them as SPAM. Get his ISP to toss his ass.

As for this Cheneyhead, I'd just quit speaking to him. I HAD two friends like that. They'd come over to my house with their demon-child and RANT about how Clinton was an idiot. Mind you, this was in 2003, long since Clinton left the White House. Everything was a rant, based on NO FACTS, which I find typical of the Bush/Cheney cult. I got tired of the ranting, and tired of these asses expecting me to babysit demon-child for free. Yes, I said FREE. No dinner, no gift certificate, just a lovely evening with the spawn of Satan.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:21 PM
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28. SPAM? Very nasty. Clever, evil -- I like it.
I won't do it, but it sounds like a good idea for future reference! I like the way you think. :) Sorry about your friends being morons (but I love the way you phrase things!).
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catchthefever Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:22 AM
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31. I have other ideas
if you need silent revenge techniques. It's so sad that I've had to use them.
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:27 AM
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10. Please let us know what response you get!
I'd love to hear it. :)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:37 AM
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15. Sometimes it's best
Just give up on the stone-brains. There are some people who can't be helped. It's sad, it goes against my nature, it flies in the face of my faith. But there are just plain some people who can't be helped -- at least, not at this time in their lives.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:41 AM
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16. Holy Moly!
That is fantastic! I'm glad you're on our side! :7

Great letter, Ida! :hi:

~~~~~mental note~~~~~

***Never piss off Ida Briggs*** ;)
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 05:07 PM
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19. Dear Ida

Marry me.

Sincerely,

DancingBear
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:22 PM
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22. Dear DancingBear
Thank you SO MUCH for your kind offer, but I am madly in love with my beloved husband who says you can't have me. Please know that I will always treasure your friendship; its not you -- its me. Etc. <grin>

Seriously, yours is the ULTIMATE BEST COMPLIMENT I've ever gotten, and I really appreciate it. I'm still smiling. Thank you for that!

Sincerely,
Ida M. Briggs
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 05:10 PM
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20. KICK ASS
Damn. That's a KO punch.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 05:10 PM
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21. Well spokedn Ida. There are people who are hopeless
and your idiot freeper friend is one of them. OMG, how did you put up with this shithead for so long?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:40 PM
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24. Sweet
I'm a happily married straight woman, nonetheless, I think I love you. :loveya:

My little heart skipped a few beats reading your lovely rant.

MzPip
:dem:
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:17 PM
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26. daaaaaaaaaaaamn can you say bitchslap??
i hope he was wearing his depends
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:29 PM
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29. Good One! I'm shure you will never be friends with him again but...
Who needs a friend so stupid.He and his dumb wife should just suck up to there Puke friends.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:31 PM
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30. T-Shirt Information Thanks to Jocal:
It can be found here: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a344 and actually has "Pigfucking Moronic Inbred Losers for Bush" on it. (Thank you, Jocal!) Other stuff on the sight is definitely going to be offensive to someone, so please be careful if that person is you.

As for Brian, I've "blocked" his e-mail from my account. I'm serious about not wanting to read anything further from him until I get a verbal apology. I'm pretty sure its going to drive him crazy! :) I also wanted to add a "thank you" to everyone for all of your kind words; I've really appreciated them!

Oh, and several of you asked me to remind you not to get me angry at you, so for those who need the reminder, please take note that I've done as you asked, but really, I'm a very mild mannered person -- just don't "play stupid" around me until after the election.

Scratch that. Don't pretend to be stupid around me EVER. If I'm going to be a bad-ass, I might as well get something out of it! :)
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