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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:45 PM
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READ ! Patch Adams vs W...SHOCK TREATMENT ANYONE?
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 10:05 PM by vetwife
Look folks, I hope this thread is freeped for what I am about to post. Maybe some of those idiots will see what is about to happen. I know we have talked about mental health testing before on here. I KNOW PERSONALLY a person who was a presidential apointee for President Clinton and works for the ADA. He just sent me this email.
I am angry, furious, and yes SCARED ! Read it and decide....What in the name of Heaven are we gonna do about this maniac Bush! The person who sent me this email was the one who got me the invitation to have dinner with Vice President Gore and in to see president Clinton. He worked in the West Wing.

We need to make some noise about this. Even Patch Adams is protesting this !

This writer of this email is a friend of mine and holds a PHD and himself is disabled. He is in D.C. and so is his organization.

A new plan by the Bush administration to test the nation's
public school population for mental disorders and treat
them with controversial drugs has raised an alarm among
some medical science watchdogs and members of the mental
health community.

The White House is expected to announce a mental health and
disability initiative that recommends the screening and
treatment of the country's K-12 students. The plan is based
on a Texas program a government whistleblower has called "a
Trojan horse" for pharmaceutical companies.

As first reported by bmj.com, the website for the medical
news weekly the British Medical Journal, the plan is
derived from findings by the President's New Freedom
Commission on Mental Health, a committee of doctors and
mental health care professionals established in 2002.
Published by the New Freedom Initiative (NFI), the report
recommends states start testing for and treating mental
disorders as early as possible, focusing on students, who
can be easily accessed in the public school system.

The mental health component of the plan is based on the
Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), which was
engineered during Bush's tenure as governor. An algorithm
is a flow chart that helps psychiatrists identify and
medicate a patient's condition.

The New Freedom Initiative reported that "despite their
prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed," and
recommended a screening program for "consumers of all
ages," including pre-school children. The commission found
that schools are in a "key position" to influence the
phenomena of young children being "expelled from preschools
and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors
and emotional disorders." To do so, the NFI said that
"state-of-the-art treatments" were in order, and praised
TMAP for showing "results in better consumer outcomes."

The American Psychiatric Association, which itself receives
some funding from drug companies, has hailed the
commission's conclusions as a sound preventative approach
to dealing with mental illness.

Critics of the plan, however, point to strong connections
between the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health and the
pharmaceutical industry, and they contend that the plan
will be a financial boon to drug companies while
compromising the mental health of the nation's children.

Holistic mental health advocate David Oaks, director of
MindFreedom, a coalition of groups that campaigns for
people diagnosed with psychiatric disabilities, says the
issues of child mental health are not only more complicated
than just testing for disorders and putting kids on drugs,
but also colored by powerful societal pressures and
millions of dollars in drug revenues. Oaks says the
president's plan amounts to little more than "No child left
undrugged."

"It's very unimaginative. The idea sounds good: get help
for the kids," Oaks said. "But the mental health machine
tends to label, label, label." The labeling, said Oaks, all
too often stigmatizes children as "abnormal."

"We're not happy to say the least," said Patricia Weathers,
president of Ablechild: Parents for Label and Drug Free
Education. "It's going to increase the drugging of
children."

Oaks says he believes the template for the NFI's plan
originates in the kind of extreme treatments misdiagnosed
patients suffered in "the back wards" of clinics and
asylums of the past, like forced drugging or electroshock
therapies.

"This been going on for years," said Oaks. "The
psychiatric model has been mainstreamed. And
now, the system's coming for all of us."

Labeling, says Weathers, places a great deal of stress on
families to raise a "normal" child. "It's almost like a
parent is beaten down. You want in a
mainstream school, not in a special needs school."

Weathers said her own son was dismissed from the public
educational system because of her refusal to continue to
drug him at the school system's request after school
officials diagnosed him as having ADHD.

"Parents are losing their children" to drugging and
labeling regimens, she says. "We need to look at the
underlying causes, and not be so quick to think a child has
mental problems.

"Instead of saying having trouble reading, and
giving him an educational resource, they say, 'oh well,
he's ADD'," she said. In the case of her son, Weathers said
he had physical conditions, among them anemia, that may
have been hindering his educational progress.

Criticism of the NAI plan, or at least the blueprint for
it, has not been limited to the grassroots. In 2002 Allen
Jones, a former investigator for the Office of the
Inspector General in Pennsylvania, had been looking into
the propriety of an off-the-books account that originated
within the Pennsylvania Department of Mental Health.
According to Jones, when he went to the New York Times and
bmj.com with accusations that the drug company Janssen may
have been attempting to influence the formation of a TMAP-
style test and treat plan, he was told to "quit swimming
upstream." When he refused to quiet down, he was fired, he
added.

In a whistleblower report posted on the Law Project for
Psychiatric Rights' website, Jones elaborated on his
charges, and explained that during its pilot stage, TMAP
was packed with doctors who had strong ties to the drug
industry. Jones said that ties to the drug companies gave
them a financial incentive to recommend expensive, brand
name drugs, rather than cheaper comparable medicines.

Jones also writes that a number of the New Freedom
Initiative for Mental Health Commission members were linked
to TMAP's founding or are advocates for the program's
expansion in states like Maryland and Ohio.

The NFI plan, said Jones, "doesn't have the Orwellian goal
of drugging the populace for a political purpose; it's the
Orwellian goal of drugging the populace for an economic
purpose."

Nationally, pharmaceutical companies have been generous in
doling out campaign contributions to the former Texas
governor and his party. According to the Center for
Responsive Politics, the pharmaceutical industry has given
President George W. Bush $764,274 so far this election
cycle, making the president the number one recipient of
campaign donations of either party from the pharmaceutical
industry.



Johnathan (Moderator)
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Trust me, this is no Burkette ! These people were friends with Justin Dart (late) who help write the Americans with Disabilities Act ! and connected to the major ADA organizations all over. This is explosive stuff ! Why are we talking CBS?
There is more here but I sugest you go to the link and read about the shock treatments and taking kids.
http://www.mindfreedom.org/mindfreedom/bush_psychiatry.shtml
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Night Gal Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:52 PM
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1. Shocking! n/t
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:58 PM
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2. Please read this ya'll..Please...I know this fine person !
This is not CT..this is reality ! Patch Adams is protesting this ! The real Patch Adams ! This is for real..If he goes in....We will all be in their control ! FEAR FACTOR? You bet, because I know this person. Clinton did not hire people that were stupid. Also...He worked for Becky Ogle and the Dept of Labor.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:02 PM
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3. If I were still a kid, I'd be one of the first on their list to be
medicated compulsorily as I'd always be calling out the teachers on inconsistencies, mistakes, hypocrisies, etc. I think the term they'd use would be Oppositional Defiant Disorder, otherwise known as commonsense in a bored kid.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:03 PM
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4. No ..This is all of us..not just kids..Read link !
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:08 PM
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7. You're right. Geez, independent thinking will be another mental illness
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 10:12 PM by no_hypocrisy
with a cure.

I never wanted to experience the life of Frances Farmer.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:23 PM
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9. I thought of her too..the Labotomy.....
FREE THINKERS NOT WELCOME ! WELCOME TO THE NEW USA !
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:04 PM
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5. Talk about an ill-planned time bomb.
Whose kids are they going to diagnose? Who's going to pay for those pills? Ritalin doesn't go for much, but oh, boy, some of the others.

Parents are just going to be thrilled to have their kids labeled mentally ill. Not to mention, some of the kids will suicide and the lawsuits against the schools will be awesome.

Another BushCo get rich quick scheme that's going to cost a fortune.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:06 PM
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6. Its all of us..Not just kids ! Read the link about Patch Adams !
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:14 PM
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8. This may be the most important thread on here. READ !
Its long but READ.......ITs real ! Hit the link..Documeted !
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:37 PM
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10.  Patch Adams vs W...SHOCK TREATMENT ANYONE?
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I swear, I thought from your headline we were going to learn the reason Bush's brain seems fried was that he'd undergone repeated shock therapy!
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:49 PM
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11. No ...but I am terrified and this is for real ..did you read the link?
shock treatment for free thinkers. the person who sent this to me worked right there in the West wing with Clinton.. I know him. He is not a Hysterical or Ct person. He is up there and in the know !
This stuff scares me to death. This is the stuff Nazi's did to the Jews. Please read the link...
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:20 PM
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12. Kic..Important Read ....
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:26 PM
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13. Hey, drugs worked for *. I guess he thinks they are for everyone!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:27 PM
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14. Doesn't surprise me at all.
Just like the article says, we HAVe been going down this road for a long time.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:17 AM
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15. you can do something about this! . . .
first, sign the "Declaration of Refusal" here . . .
http://www.ablechild.org/declaration%20of%20refusal.aspx

then, call your Senators and Congresscritters . . . let them know that you demand that this program not be implemented . . .

and finally, work like hell to get Bush out of office! . . .
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uhaul Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 02:40 AM
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16. Early intervention and the TMAP
I am a mental health administrator in Oregon. I know David Oaks, am familiar with the details of the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), and believe that pharmaceutical companies have encouraged a lopsided perspective on the use and role of medications as the primary intervention for people diagnosed/labeled with mental illness. My family and I use a homeopathic MD as out primary care physician (just so you known where I'm coming from here).

To clarify, the TMAP is not a diagnostic tool. It is a research/evidence-based decision tree for selecting and evaluating the efficacy of a given medication which, if followed, results in better control of mental illness symptoms, fewer medication side effects, lower doses of medication and increased self efficacy in a variety of important life domains (work, social, recreational to name a few). Follow this link to more information about its use: http://www.mentalhealthpractices.org/med.html
If you make an informed decision to take psychiatric medication, use a prescriber who is familiar with TMAP or similar protocols.

Symptoms and labels aside for the moment, one of the greatest impacts of mental illness for children and young adults is that it often alters or interrupts the natural and individual developmental process - kids are shunned by peers because of behavior, fall behind in academic achievement and over a period of time can be adversely affected by this with profoundly negative, life long implications. Early intervention is critical.There are a variety of ways to constructively intervene, medication (for some) being one which costs the school district nothing. Other equally effective (or even more effective and preferred) social, educational, therapeutic interventions may come out of school districts' budgets or may not be funded at all except through private pay. So the economic incentive along with the magic bullet perspective weight children's' treatment heavily toward medication.

The quote in the article, "Jones said that ties to the drug companies gave them a financial incentive to recommend expensive, brand
name drugs, rather than cheaper comparable medicines" is very disingenuous. "Cheaper, comparable" refers to the older types of anti-psychotic medications which have notoriously debilitating side effects as compared to newer (and more expensive) classes of drugs (which still have significant side effects by the way). Sometimes, newer is better (and more expensive, the corporations' justification for which is spurious at best). It is unconscionable in most instances today to prescribe these older medications at all.

As for Oaks, read his website. He is not anti-medication, he is for informed, voluntary, uncoerced choice for adults. He is anti-labeling, anti-pathologizing, anti-one-treatment-fits-all and above all, anti-incompetence.

Oregon recently enacted a law (senate bill 267) which requires publicly funded mental health and criminal justice programs to provide services which are evidence based, that is to say empirically validated (by whatever outcomes are used to measure efficacy for the service and population receiving it). While this mandate may sound Orwellian, the large majority of publicly funded Mental Health services are ineffective (if not outright detrimental), demeaning, stigmatizing and ghetto-izing (yes, there is such a thing as a mental health ghetto outside of a state hospital - it is called a psychiatric day treatment program and hundreds of millions of dollars a year are utterly wasted on them). Evidence based practices tend to promote recovery, be respectful, consumer centered and directed and focused on achieving individually and personally important real world outcomes like getting a good job, finding decent, affordable housing, staying out of the hospital etc. because that is what people want. Simply achieving the absence of symptoms does not in and of itself allow people to successfully fulfill their dreams of making lives for themselves which are meaningful and satisfying.

So, please try to look a little deeper at TMAP and early intervention in particular, before concluding it is all a part of the corporate conspiracy and all bad.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 07:41 AM
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17. Look..Anytime the govt. gets into testing on mandate..it frightens me
Ask any Black person who was a guinea pig for syphllis. Ask the agent orange victims who were lied to about the effects. I am not into holistic medicine but a person who is a free thinker and not a koolaid drinker should not be labeled with mental disorders. Read all of the links before you question motives. This is fascism pure and simple.
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