Dean tapes.......on Gore.

[in_cog_ni_to]

Here's another profound statement from Howard Dean on the man who just endorsed him. Gore's going to be campaigning for Dean in Iowa soon. I wonder how he feels about "not being quick on his feet?"
Howard should be embarrassed. He wasn't too "concerned" about Gore when he gave his endorsenent.


<snip>
Dean appeared on about 100 episodes of the Canadian show, speaking out on a range of topics. He said in a January 1998 show, according to MSNBC, that Gore "has a lot of attributes, but ... there are some things that I am concerned about. One of them is being quick on your feet. He is not." Gore narrowly lost the 2000 election to Bush.<snip>

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=812422&tw=wn_wire_story

[PAMod]

1. Stop it already. First it's true & second Gore knows it's true.

This doesn't compare to the "Clark" tapes and only draws more attention to them, which will be damaging to all of us if Clark is on the ticket.

So please stop this.

[Soul On Ice]

6. How does this

Gore hypocrisy damage Clark for President? He won't be picking Dean for anything.

[PAMod]

30. It draws attention to the "Clark tapes" which show him

praising the people who are ruining our country.

Now THOSE tapes would be interesting for the masses to see in the General Election campaign.

[Snivi Yllom]

40. the same tapes exist for Clark too

He praised Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell too and now he is coming up on Dean.

Go figure.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. I'll stop

after all the Clark bashing threads stop. OK?

[CMT]

2. I love the way you all try to find anything you think is dirt

on Dean and rush to print it here as if he is going to be KO'd by this. But overall the tapes show him standing up for welfare recepiants when attacked and show a consistency on many of the stands he has taken in this campaign including on NAFTA. His views on the Iowa Caucuses as a process while maybe not the best thing to say about someone competing there are on target. Does he think Iowa is irrelevent? Not at all--he has been campaigning hard there. Some other candidates seem to think otherwise and have decided not to even compete there.

[INTELBYTES]

28. Better the dirt come out now than before the G.E.!

If this kinda stuff is found now, how much ammo do you think the repukes are hiding about him until he makes it to the G.E. (which looks more and more doubtful). We need all the dirt now so we can pick the best candidate. Dean is looking pretty weak right about now.

[PAMod]

32. Except that none of this would be interesting in the General Election.

Only now, to fellow "Democrats".

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

3. ...

[HFishbine]

7. Bwaaaah!

Too friggin' funny Mr. Slowhorse.

[Hep]

4. Wow, a five year old quote.

Gore doesn't seem to mind. He's a big boy, he doesn't need you acting like his mommy protecting him in the schoolyard.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

5. Actually it's now six years old

Happy Birthday, worthless piece of spin!

[KaraokeKarlton]

9. So Dean is honest even when it's not politically correct to be honest

I have always liked that about him, and so will his supporters and undecided voters. The only people who will act all outraged are going to people who support other candidates. These "attacks" against Dean are so pathetically weak. The tapes are going to show the general election voters that Dean isn't the flaming liberal Bush claims he is...which makes him an even stronger bet to take Bush down.

[lurk_no_more]

10. I was gratified to be able to answer promptly

I said “I don’t Know”


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[mouse7]

11. Keep it up. You'll never get a campaign job.

Nobody, Clark included, wants someone who works so hard at alienating potential future supporters.

Clark has running a mostly attack-free campiagn. I'm certain your behavior is not appreciate by them.

[lurk_no_more]

12. Reminds me of an old song

I like em' big and stupid...I like em' big and REAL dumb.

LOL

If nothing else, dean IS entertaining.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[liberalnurse]

13. Thats fine with me....

Clark supporters can laugh all you want and invent issues that equate to tabloid journalism. It is truely a reflection of who Clark really is.....

This tells me that the people who Clark surrounds himself with are a mirror image of the man himself. We all know Clark has voted republican in a historical, predicable pattern his entire life. We actually have no evidence that he ever voted Democratic....just his word.

If this is the words of Clark supporters and ultimately Clark himself....I know now with ease which party he truely supports.

I will never vote for Clark. I never vote republican either.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Oh, OK

"Has Clark had a physical exam recently?" thread starter. Give me a damn break. :eyes:

[LuminousX]

18. Much like 'Is Kerry Healthy' thread a Clark supporter started?

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. "I" did not start THAT thread. n/t

[Hep]

19. Let's just leave it as this

I won't do a damn thing for any campaign that goes so far out of its way to ignore it's candidate in favor of making up crap against Dean.

You are a representative of your campaign. Whether you are a hero or a disgrace to your campaign is up to you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Making up crap

against Dean? HELLO! These are Dean's words, not mine. Don't lecture me on how to behave. I use to be a Dean supporter until the Clark bashing by Dean supporters started. These are Dean's words. Deal with it.

Oh, just so you know Hep, I won't do a damn thing for the Dean campaign either....:eyes:

[Hep]

35. YEs, MAKING UP CRAP

And sir, if a prize were to be given...

I've just made a realization. The reason the media got away with manipulating the 2000 election is because they think like so many other people think. They spent a whole year posting stories just like the one you posted. Leaving out context, leaving out dates, pushing a myth.

And now, whereas earlier I thought maybe D's would be above falling for that kind of BS in 2004, here I see supposedly well meaning, supposedly intelligent people PARTICIPATING IN IT. Joining up!

The media cricified the D in 2000, and it's people here assembling the cross for the next round. You should be very proud.

On edit, you didn't leave out the date, but the spirit of your post is just the same as all those that tore Gore apart in 2000.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. There's also a link

to the whole damn article. I left nothing out. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't make Dean look good. AGAIN, those are Dean's words, not mine. Deal with it.


The media cricified the D in 2000, and it's people here assembling the cross for the next round. You should be very proud.

AND the republicans crucfied the Democrats in 2002 because they cowered to the republicans because of 911...you're either with us or you're against us, you're not patriotic if you don't support the war, you're not patriotic because you don't support our soldiers because you don't support the war. WHAT HAPPENED in 2002? We lost our asses...BIG TIME...that's what. I'm not going to stand by while the Dean supporters continue their relentless attacks on Clark and not fight back. So keep your lectures to yourself or hit the ignore button.

WHY aren't you chastising your fellow Dean supporters for the Clark bash threads? Looks a little hypocritical to me.

[Name removed]

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[Bread and Circus]

21. Hah!

:nuke:

[liberalnurse]

24. Well has he?

He looks ill. Do you give a hoot? He needs some lab work I'm telling you. I'm glad you have this on your mind at least. Gee, he's your guy for the ticket. Are you in denial?

[Renew Deal]

39. What proof do we have that Dean ever voted for Democrats

except his word. I mean Dean thinks Bush is a "moderate at heart" like himslef and that Bush will "not be a one term President." SOunds like Dean might have voted for Bush*. Is it possible?

[liberalnurse]

41. Registration is the first clue.....

Being a Democratic Governor is your second and most obvious....Dah.....

Clark has never held office, he just pandered to the GOP giving speeches, praise and support at every opportunity. He was buttering his bread some may say.

[DancingBear]

14. This one doesn't help

These tapes will be picked apart by the media, if they see fit to do so.

The major "gaffes" (Iowa caucus) are in play, but things like this are not. I'm sure Gore knew what he was getting into, and if it don't bother him then it don't bother me.

Leave this one alone - it's much ado about nothing.

DB - AVID Clark supporter

[Hep]

15. Sorry DB

It's just too late. Your buddies are going to do their damnedest to see that I don't do a think for Clark if he wins the nomination.

[DancingBear]

20. Don't leave us, Hep

Crazy stuff is flying all over the place. We'll never agree on whose side is worse, but we must agree that the smirking bastard IS worse. I can't say I'll do much for Dean if he wins, but I sure as hell will vote for him. If you can make the same statement re: Clark, I can live with that.

Yes??

[Hep]

25. Vote for Clark, sure.

But I will tell you right now. Some of the people here, some of the Clark supporters, some of the Kerry supporters, some of the DEAN supporters, have been so hateful and vitriolic that I honestly consider them my enemies. I don't consider them friends. I honestly will not have any repect for them as long as I know them. I'm not a hateful person, but I've seen what's in their hearts, and they don't even deserve to be called Democrats or decent humans for that matter.

I've been shown more respect at freeper sites.

[DancingBear]

29. There are some interesting folks lurking about

that's for sure.

Someone once said (Oscar Wilde?) after conversing with a rather uninspiring compatriot - "I'm going to memorize your name and throw my head away."

Might be sage advise for some - not you or I, though. :)

[cally]

33. I completely agree, HEP

but I support another candidate. The vitrol is absurd. I think it goes all ways. I started a thread once, suggesting that we police our own fellow supporters, but it died quickly. It will take me many weeks to move to the Dean camp if he wins because of the comments from supporters.

[Hep]

36. Can't blame you

It's called self respect. They're trying to rob it from us.

[liberalnurse]

42. Absolutely.....

They will have to canvas their own.....How are they going to do that taking Campaign Funds? *Bush has $100 million now and going for more each day....Clark can only have $45 million.....


Well, I will never give once cent to that campaign. I guess thats the plan all along......Hillary in 08.....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. Iowa caucus "gaffe?"

“If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests in both parties,” he said. “ the special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes. And then you get a president who is beholden to either one extreme or the other, and where the average person is in the middle.”

He added, “Here's what happens: Say I'm a guy who's got to work for a living, and I've got kids and so forth. On a Saturday, is it easy for me to go cast a ballot and spend 15 minutes doing it, or do I have to sit in a caucus for eight hours? … I can’t stand there and listen to everyone else’s opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world.”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334


Whoop-de-fucking-doo!
It's all over now!

[Bread and Circus]

23. It is much ado about nothing, and it shows what the Dean supporters...

have been lancing Clark w/ (i.e. old tapes) for the past
few months is also "much ado about nothing".

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Meaning,
Dean is as guilty of saying dumb things in the past as
Clark.

Zero sum game.

[Hep]

27. Some people are so mean spirited and hateful

that the word SOME isn't even in their vocabulary.

Wastes of space, wastes of oxygen.

I'm making lists of graves that I'm going to piss on.

[Stuckinthebush]

17. Not a lie

Gore was/is not quick on his feet.

Dean spoke the unvarnished truth. Many of his supporters find this appealing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Did anyone say it was a lie?

I don't think so. It's still an insult.

I suspect these tape exceprts are just the beginning of what's to come. They went through 90 of them.