The White House is LYING about where Bush got his ribbon!!!!!!!!!

[Walt Starr]

When pressed by UPI for an explanation as to where Bush received the Air force Outstanding Unit Award in this photograph:



The White House made claims that Bush earned the award while in the 3724th Basic Military Training Squadron. This is documented in the following UPI article:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040913-122231-6905r

Unfortunately, according to the Air Force Personnel Center, personnel attached to a squadron for training are not considered permanent parties and are thus not eligible for any unit awards the training squadrons receive! This means that any awards received by the 3724th Basic Military Training Squadron, or even the 3550th Student Squadron at Moody Air Force Base where Bush received his pilot training, could NOT be applied to George W. Bush.

Why is the White House lying about where Bush earned this award? Why not come out with the truth?

This story needs to get out to the bloggers and the media. The White House is not answering a basic question about a basic award Mr. Bush was photographed wearing!

[troubleinwinter]

1. Yet another question Dan R. can add to his list to the WH

...to which he will get no answers.

[Walt Starr]

2. So this means, the White House claims he earned the award during training

but the Air Force says trainees are not eligible for awards the training squadrons receive!

THIS IS A BLATANT LIE BY THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

[AlCzervik]

3. Walt, once again...

Have i ever told you that your my hero?

[kikiek]

4. Good job again. They're so cocky they figure they won't ever be caught.

[Walt Starr]

25. Yeah, but you would have thought they would have come up with something

a bit better than, "he earned it in basic training".

Seriously, did they honestly think nobody would LOOK to see if he would have been eligible as a trainee?

[kikiek]

26. I think he has gotten away with so much in his live he takes it for

granted no one will dare challenge him.

[displacedtexan]

5. Walt, what's become of our country?

Your work on this issue should be front page, primetime headline news! Instead, it's just another Bush lie that his supporters don't give a damn about!

[RevCheesehead]

6. keep fighting, Walt!

Anybody here at DU got some inside media sources?????

[RevCheesehead]

7. just nominated for homepage n/t

[mr_du04]

8. Not that I doubt you but,

does that particular regulation apply to the 60's and 70's as well and does it also apply to reserve components. For example when I was in basic training when we graduated the NG and AR members wore their unit patches on their uniforms while us active guys still had no patch. Like I said I don't doubt it but, when I present this to my favorite freepers I want to be sure all the facts are in order. Thanks.

[REVOLT823]

10. I sereiously doubt that trainees would be awarded for things in

their training units. The actual full-time members of the unit are the ones being recognized for their work, not the people being processed through during training. Certainly doesn't make any sense why they would. I received a Meritorious Unit Citation in the Marines, and the only people allowed to wear it were the ones in that unit during the times specified on the citation. I have heard all kinds of excuses by the Bush side on this, but Walt nailed it, he simply was never in a unit when they were awarded this.

[snippy]

16. Bush has proven that if the choice is to lie or not to lie, Bush will lie.

Regardless of the applicable regulations at the time, neither Bush nor anyone in the Bush White House would ever consider not lying to be an acceptable option.


Except for the American media the entire world knows that Bush is one of the most compulsive and incessant liar in the history of American politics.

There is no subject so somber, serious, or shallow that Bush will not lie about it. The only other option is not to lie. And that apparently is something Bush can not do.

For example:

Bush says he fell off his bicycle because of the heavy rains and he watched on television on the morning of 9/11 as the first plane hit the first WTC tower and John McCain has an illegitimate Negro daughter and Bush would veto McCain-Feingold and the yawning boy was not there and was not yawning and besides he was standing some place else and Richard Clarke had complete access to Bush and Rice which proves that Clarke was out of the loop which is Clinton's fault but the White House revealed that Clarke briefed the press on background about Bush fighting terrorism which means that unnamed White House sources may not be identified even when Bush wants to and everyone except Bush himself knows where he was during his National Guard service but it was Clinton's fault that Bush did not show up for duty which was after Bush volunteered to go to Viet Nam but before he was no longer required to take a flight physical and about the same time that God ordered him to smite Saddam because the 70 lines of embryonic stem cells and more arsenic in the water and more mercury in the air and the completely safe air in New York City folowing 9/11 prove that republican science is better than sound science and the Bush administration did not illegally conspire to illegally reveal the identity of a covert CIA operative which resulted in 2 million new jobs being created because democrats support terrorism and are not good Americans just as the Jews were not good Germans which is why Bush said he would veto the creation of both the Department of Homeland Security and the 9/11 Commission but now claims credit for their creation and the White House cooperated with the 9/11 Commission which is why the White House withheld documents and called the republicans on the Commission before Clarke testified and why the White House did not coordinate the attacks on the integrity and bipartisanship of the Commission and why Bush and Cheney negotiated with the Commission that the two of them would testfy one time only but never again since the dental xrays prove that Bush spoke with the CIA director everyday and did not ignore either the repeated warnings of the dangers of al Qaeda and Osama or the August 2001 intelligence briefing specifically warning of the upcoming 9/11 attacks because the United States is a nation with a mission and that mission is to bring freedom to every single person in the world which will cut the deficit in half if you do not count those parts of the deficit which will increase under Bush which is Clinton's fault but the boxes from China were labeled "Made in USA" which resulted in 2.6 million new jobs being created even though the $400 billion Medicare prescription drug decorative turkey was not labeled $550 billion and was passed without bribery or criminal deception and was not criminally promoted by the Bush administration using taxpayers' money for propaganda purposes which proves that government spending under Bush has gone down if you do not count the increased government spending under Bush which is Clinton's fault just as acts of terrorism have decreased since 9/11 if you do not count the increase in the number of acts of terrorism and Bush's plane to Baghdad was spotted because before Saddam bought the uranium and became an "urgent" but not an imminent threat which is Clinton's fault Bush had no plans on his desk to invade Iraq since the invasion was not planned before Bush took office even though it was the subject of his first national security council meeting in February 2001 and in December 2001 when plans for the invasion were being finalized Bush said he was focused on the military operations in Afghanistan and then the Carrier Costume Party was too far offshore for the Navy to make a large enough "Mission Accomplished" banner to describe the WMD we have found in Iraq some of which Saddam was giving to Osama for following Saddam's plans and using Iraqi hijackers on 9/11 which is Clinton's fault but everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut which created 3 million new jobs and allowed Iraqi oil revenue to pay for the cost of the reconstruction of Iraq after the invasion by a small number of troops who would be greeted with floral program related activities except for the dead and wounded troops who are being brought home secretly which is Clinton's fault since Bush is the one who hugs the mothers and the widows and the wives and the kids and since Bush does not watch television news he did not know about the republican torture pranks occurring in Iraq until he saw the pictures while watching television news and that is why Bush who will use the jawbone of an ass to force OPEC to open the spigots and who is responsible for good economic numbers but not bad economic numbers which are Clinton's fault wrote the poem that he did not write blaming Laura for dropping the dog.

Ridiculing Bush for his compulsive and incessant lying needs to become common.

FIRE THE LIAR

[mr_du04]

18. we know that

but, the freepers actually believe what the moronic chimp says.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

30. If you broke up the lines a bit instead of writing it as a block of text,

your post would make a wonderful poem. :thumbsup:

[Walt Starr]

17. The Air Force Personnel Center stated emphatically

Trainees are never permanent parties in the units so trainees never get the awards.

[lazarus]

9. Don't forget

UPI is owned by Moon. It's no more reputable than the Washington Times.

[David Zephyr]

11. You Mean This Is Still More "New" Evidence of Bush's Records Being Found?

Think about this carefully:

----------

"The Air Force and the White House last week in interviews with UPI said the allegations were misleading. White House spokesman Trent Duffy referred UPI to the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Colorado where Technical Sgt. Rob Mims is the spokesman.

"Mims said the claims were 'not true. I verified that (Thursday). Lieutenant Bush received Air Force Outstanding Unit Award while he was in basic training with the 3724th Basic Military Training Squadron at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas.'"

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1.) HOW DID SGT. MIMS "VERIFY" THAT BUSH RECEIVED THE AWARD?

2.) WHERE ARE THE RECORDS THAT "VERIFY" THIS?

3.) WHY WEREN'T THESE RECORDS MADE AVAILABLE BEFORE?

4.) DO THESE RECORDS TRULY EXIST?

5.) WHY DOESN'T UPI ASK FOR THE "PROOF" OF WHAT SGT. MIMS "VERIFIED"?

[Fleshdancer]

15. great point n/t

[stopbush]

12. Yeah, but that isn't a real photo of bush!!

It's bush's head on the body of Lee Harvey Oswald...they used the eraser tool to remove the carbine...

:)

[Fleshdancer]

13. Gene J. Koprowski

In my search to find the email address of the author who wrote the UPI article, I'm finding a ton of tech related articles written by a journalist with this name. I guess it's possible for there to be two reporters with the same name, but this isn't a usual name. If its the same person, why would a tech writer write about politics?

Then again, what do I know about the world of reporting? Not much. Is this normal?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=Gene+J%2E+Koprowski

[Fleshdancer]

14. Is it THIS Gene J. Koprowski: Youngconservatives.com??

http://yconservatives.com/Koprowski-35.html

the contact info at the bottom of this antiDaschle article:

Gene J. Koprowski
[e-mail]
Senior Contributor out of Chicago
Young Conservatives

The article about Bush's ribbons came out of Chicago from a reporter with the very same name as this young conservative...who happens to be located in Chicago as well. Interesting.

[Walt Starr]

19. It's not the wearing of the ribbon he didn't earn, IT'S THE COVERUP!

The story is no longer that the ribbon he wore was not earned by him. The story is now that the White House got caugth lying about how he was supposed to have earned the ribbon he's wearing!

[Philostopher]

20. Jesus H.

The simplest explanation would have gotten them off -- all they would have had to say was that he didn't know, he inadvertently pinned a ribbon to his uniform that he wasn't eligible to wear. Everybody already knows he relies on other people to take care of the 'little shit.' I'm sure it was no different in his twenties. Fercrysake, they can't just admit he screwed up for the photo session -- that would have gotten him off the hook. We already think he's a moron, we'd think no less of his non-detail-oriented ass if they'd just admitted it.

[Walt Starr]

22. The White House could have said something like this

"The president was a young second lieutenant at the time and had been convinced by a non-commissioned officer he was supposed to wear the award since the unit he was in had won it two years prior to the president's enlistment."

But NOOOOOOOO!!!! They had to invent a cock and bull story about him "earning" it while in training. This was such a phony story it took me less than twelve hours to debunk it!

[Sparkly]

21. Absolutely, as with ALL his "youthful indiscretions" -- he's a lying FAKE

"Who cares what he did thirty some-odd years ago?" they want to ask... The issue is what he lied about yesterday, and last week, and throughout his political career.

That's the case with AWOL, that's the case with the Kitty Kelley allegations, that's the case with his drug problems -- it adds up to one thing:

He's a PHONY, and he is a liar TODAY. His whole life is a big cover-up.

[troubleinwinter]

23. EXACTLY!

"It's not the wearing of the ribbon he didn't earn, IT'S THE COVERUP!"

Exaaaaaactly the point!!!!! It is more about his bad behavior in NOT admitting it than what may have been a "boo-boo", or youthful puffery.

A man that cannot admit a mistake is not a man at all.

What a crappy example he wishes to set for our youth. "When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible." Never ever take responsibility for it, even when you are supposedly 'grown up and mature'. Never admit your fuck-ups or failings. Do not show the youth that you WILL have to own up to bad behavior one day. Why doesn't he get his ass into AA and start learning to admit his past (and current) bad behavior?

[Walt Starr]

24. Yep, and this is now why several reporters are contacting me again

Looks like the White House answering the charge has gotten some interest.

[City Lights]

27. WOO-HOO!

Hearing that reporters are contacting you again brought a huge grin to my face.

Thanks for all your hard work on this, Walt. Great job. :thumbsup:

It still sickens me, though, that you had to do the grunt work the media should be doing. Lazy sobs.

[City Lights]

28. dupe - self-delete

[demigoddess]

33. to me, it's an effort to build a resume for a ne'er-do-well son

not 'mistakes' of youth. they wanted to cover up what a lousy father George H.W. Bush was. and they wanted to build a career for an idiot son

[skordane]

29. Ask David Hackworth

Has anybody brought this to the attention of the Soldiers For The Truth Organization. David Hackworth would know. Ask him. wwww.sftt.org

[Disturbed]

31. Thanks Walt.

Keep the good work flowing. ;)

[TexasEditor]

32. You can tell...

who has served in the Armed Forces by reading these posts... ribbons are for sale on the base and outside the base at tailor shops; like most idiots he bought one and wore it for his photo so it would look better, but because he is an idiot, all these years later, here he in a photo wearing a ribbon he wasn't qualified to wear. The point I'm making is that lots of guys did it, he just happened to get caught. Let's concentrate on the unelected president who started an illegal war, and the troops... a thousand killed and the over seven thousand wounded in Iraq -- to hell with a ribbon from three decades ago.

[troubleinwinter]

34. Still, he violated the Uniform Code of Military Conduct

He is a slime and should be exposed for all of his slimey, lowly, cowardly, poser acts and lies. All of them. No excuses.

[deckerd]

35. kick!!

Damn straight, Mr. Starr!

Time for Dems to give 'em hell on a single issue where ya got 'em by the short hairs.
Enough of this messing around, flitting from issue to ussue. As a sometime lurker, I must say
Walt Starr has been commendably dogged on this.

This 30 year old "nonsesnse" hits home for alot of people, including Vets whose kids are now fighting and dying in Iraq. They are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Well, it looks like Walt's opened up a whole closet.

Are folks here tough enough to march confidently thru the various smokescreens and domestic issues to rabidly pursue an issue of character, an issue which does more to the dignity of the Office of Presidency and the honor of our National Guard, than any 30 year old controversy about Swift Vets could possibly achieve.

This is about a president TODAY lying about medals HE NEVER RECEIVED --

in a unit, 3724th, where he NEVER DID ACTIVE DUTY AS A TRAINED PILOT --

while he trashes the service of others who served, and makes light of the sacrifice of numerous National Guardsmen and women in Iraq.

A president who relies on MERCENARIES to protect him in the combat zone while he sends decorated soldiers and MPs essentially conscripted by a back-door draft, Guardsmen and women who EARNED their unit citations, into combat situations dangerously unprepared with no hope of honor or recompense, and allows his fellow Guardsmen and reservists to take the fall for the disaster at Abu Ghraib.

America likes a candidate who fights back and alot of Vets would
appreciate seeing a good comeuppance.
The Question about Bush's records is no longer a question, folks.

BUSH IS LYING ABOUT A MEDAL HE NEVER RECEIVED!

WH ADMITS HE WORE IT IN THE 3724th -- AND CONTINUED WEARING IT AFTER BECOMING AN OFFICER!

This is Dishonorable Conduct, folks.

The issue is NOT Bush "hiding out" in the Guard. BUSH DISHONORED THE
NATIONAL GUARD by disrespecting his superiors and the ribbons he wore.

HE WORE A MEDAL IN THE 3724th HE DID NOT RATE -- AND CONTINUED WEARING IT AFTER BECOMING AN OFFICER -- IN AN EFFORT TO SUGAR-COAT his own disgraceful lack of conduct while serving in the Guard.

BUSH SAW HIS GUARD SERVICE AS JUST ANOTHER EASY OUT IN A LIFETIME OF EASY OUTS. Now, he's sending his fellow Guardsmen to die in Iraq when
they should be protecting ALL Americans from terrorist violence here at home.

Now we learn Bush has consigned More Guardsmen to death in one year in Iraq, than died in the ENTIRE Vietnam War while Bush continues playing dress-up.

It's time for Americans to rise up with one voice on this issue and defend the integrity of the medals which our Guardsmen are currently receiving for combat duty, even as we speak!

Your President claims cerdit for an AFOUA his training unit received. He's been wearing it ever since -- while Republicans spitting on the combat medals legitemately worn by others, including war veterans who dare to speak up against the President!

This is todays issue, and the President has been caught lying about a medal HE STILL CLAIMS CREDIT FOR! A medal HE STILL SAYS HE recieved while training to be a fighter pilot in the 3724th Training Squadron of the Texas Air National Guard!!

Be sure and blast this thread to CBS, folks. This is no johnny come-
lately spin to the BushDocs controversy. Walt's been working on this
for WEEKS after stumbling upon this story as a private citizen! :-)

This is how ya gotta talk about this issue, folks. In STRONG terms!
CBS makes it relevant to media! After that, not so relevant. Night!

[pobox34567]

36. Photo date

I am not sure if this issue was resolved. Apologies in advance if it was.

Date of photo is probably Oct 13 1970.
See: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/10-5_2000_Personnel_File.pdf; p.22 of PDF; p. 5 of UMPR. Lower right, 3 lines up from the bottom.

The same UMPR lists his only decoration or award as SAEMR.
See: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/10-5_2000_Personnel_File.pdf; p.19 of PDF; p. 2 of UMPR, headings 6 and 7.