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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:14 PM Original message |
Dems really don't have 60 votes for a public option. Conrad and Lieberman are PUBLICLY against it. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Pass it w/ 50 .... 51 counting Joe Biden |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I think they would have done that by now if they did have 50 votes... |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. You might be right but for the blue dogs to vote against what the majority .. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Not if they can convince you that 60 votes are necessary! |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Obama clearly wants Snowe on board, though. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Snowe said on Hardball yesterday that a Public Option would be a deal breaker for her nt |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. They don't have to vote for it. They just need to vote for cloture |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I think Nelson said he couldn't be counted upon for cloture- (except for Bush tax cuts) |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Snowe will vote for cloture... |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. We should not NEED Snowe! |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Nice to have a little wiggle room, though. n/t |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Is Byrd likely to show up for the cloture vote? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. It takes 51 votes, not 60. Don't buy the lie and it IS a lie. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Okay, but to get to the point where you need 51 votes, you need 60 votes. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Not exactly. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. You don't understand what a filibuster is. (nt) |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. At least from the perspective of Conrad, according to Ed Schultz it has to do with |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I know, parochial interests trump reform. Why can't we fix what's wrong with Medicare-and take away |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. I agree /nt |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. At least he's trying to actually represent those who elected him, not those |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. Whether they for it or against isn't the most important issue |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. A public option is a must |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. IF the votes are not there - is it better to keep the status quo? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. yes it is. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. If there isn't a public option, there is |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. My point is it's more important that they just vote for cloture |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
16. Tom Harkin said today that they have52 votes on the Senate for a P.O. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. What Republican filibuster? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I think enough repubs know that a filibuster, if it came to that, would kill their party in 2010. |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Agreed, too! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
17. We don't need 60 votes for a public option. That MSM and conservative political propaganda |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Only if cloture, because complex wouldn't make it through, whole, as regular policy. They could |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. Conrad and some of the others are at least theoretically persuadable |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
29. Many won't have any votes for them.. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. Time to strip Lieberman of the chairmanship of Homeland Security and Government Affairs. |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Exactly. Why continue to pander to him if he isn't going to voteYES on the most important Democratic |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
34. Democrats should stop surrendering without firing a shot! Pathetic when they cave like Vichy French |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. Ok, let's think now, |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
37. Fortunately, there's still plenty of time to call the offices of the Goat Fuckers. n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
39. They need 60 for the procedural vote to block the filibuster. |
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