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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:17 PM
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President Obama is tough. Just not our kind of tough.
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:26 PM by HopeOverFear
http://mutantpoodle.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-power-of-the-soft-martial-arts/

The Power of the Soft Martial Arts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxb2ctulEs

I’m done with pundits on the left saying Barack Obama needs to get tough. (Since folks on the right claim he’s creating re-education camps, they, at least, haven’t jumped on this idiotic bandwagon.)

If people haven’t figured out Obama by now, I don’t know what to tell you. He will never play the boisterous, in your face, my way or the highway character that some liberals dream about.

Last fall, Maureen Dowd loaned Aaron Sorkin her column inches, and had him channel Jed Bartlett to give Obama advice. Unsurprisingly, it was to take the gloves off:

OBAMA: What would you do?

BARTLET: GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say ”thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said ”Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word ”patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library….I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!


Obama, of course, didn’t go that route. How’d that work out for him?

Look – the first problem with people who want Obama to morph into the Incredible Hulk is, quite simply, that’s not who he is.

The second problem is that people too often equate bluster with strength. But ask anyone whose worked in bars before – the guys to worry about aren’t the blowhards – it’s the guys who say nothing but don’t back down.

After a full election campaign where Obama deftly let his opponents trip themselves up with their own momentum – just as Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba does in the clip above – Obama’s methods should be totally clear. He allows his opponents to propel themselves, with whatever combination of hyperbole and hysteria they choose to offer, past reasonableness, and then gives them a little effortless nudge – all the while leaving the door open for conversation and, dare I say it, bipartisanship, with those on the other side.

In short, he lets his opponents use up their energy attacking, and then steps in and finishes them.

The irony is that we are a culture that values toughness and yet fails to see it when it’s right in front of us. Ta-Nehisi Coates nailed it a year ago:

This is a war, and you don’t lose wars because of abstract principles, but because of hard immovable facts. Is your army bigger than theirs? Are you attracting more recruits? Are you deploying in the right places? Who has more resources? Who has the technology edge? These are the reasons I voted Obama in the primary. I didn’t think he was “more principled” than Clinton, nor did I really care. I thought she was tough, but I knew he was tougher. I thought her campaign was smart, but I thought his was smarter. I thought one person was talking about being a fighter, and another was out there actually being a fighter. The general is bearing all of this out, because right now, Barack Hussein Obama is beating John McCain like he stole something–from Toot, no less.


I’ll admit, the process with health care reform hasn’t been pretty. But the Senate Finance Committee – maybe the most reactionary committee in the Democratic supermajority Senate – just passed a health care reform bill 14-9. Those who screamed the loudest over the summer have largely run out of ammunition (after all, once you go down the Death Panels road, you’re bound to hit a dead end). There’s a long way to go, but no one’s gotten this close in nearly a century. All this from someone who people don’t think is tough enough.

I don’t know what form health care reform is going to take at the end of this godawful process. But whatever it is, I think Obama will have gotten as much as possible out of a pivotal group of recalcitrant Senate Democrats. I am just as convinced that trying to beat people up to get more would not only fail to do better, it would probably wind up with less. And finally, I think that given that this is how Obama operates, and how skillfully he does it, asking him to adopt strategies and techniques at which he’s less skilled is dumb – it’s like picking up a girl because you have a thing for swimmers, and then being upset because she can’t play softball.

Obama’s mastery of his style is what made him an effective – and winning – candidate, and it’s his best hope for success as a president. LBJ wasn’t on the ballot, folks. Move on.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:24 PM
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1. K&R ...
:applause:
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:06 PM
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20. K&R He said he wouldn't throw the first punch, but he'd throw the last.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:06 PM
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26. when I think of Pres. Obama's great oratory skills & his ability to be calm & rational
when talking to people of all types, I also think of how important it is that people can write extensively with power in their WORDS. And of course, I think of you! Your writing can be rather blunt, but the fact is, it's got a point! I believe although there are those who don't want to listen to the president - he has something powerful to say in his words when he answers questions. And that's what makes him light years ahead of Lil Boots B*sh!
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:26 PM
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2. I miss Aaron Sorkin's writing
Sports Night was one of the greatest shows ever!
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:35 PM
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4. me too
I can hear Martin Sheen saying that lol
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:39 PM
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5. I really liked West Wing but if you haven't already you should check out sports night
It was his first show and its really really good. Only two seasons though :(
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fugop Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:28 PM
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11. Oh swoon!
I love "Sports Night." Love it. Loved "West Wing," too, but "Sports Night"? Sigh. Died way before it's time.



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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:35 PM
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12. They almost took it to HBO
But Sorkin was doing West Wing as well at the time and decided to focus on that. Sigh :(
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fugop Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:42 PM
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15. I remember that
I lived in NYC at the time and actually saw Peter Krause and Joshua Malina on the street one day. I told them I loved the show, and they were saying they still had high hopes for an HBO deal. But ... sob ... it fell through. Damn, I loved that show. It's one of the few we bought on DVD. Luckily, "West Wing" helped soothe my grief. But I still wish that SN had more time.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:28 PM
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3. Good article and well said. K/R
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:44 PM
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6. Well he's MY kind of tough. NT
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 05:45 PM by Clio the Leo
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:58 PM
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7. Too many people thought they were voting for the Angry Black Man......
And now they are frustrated that he ain't playing to their stereotype of the type of a man he should be. Tough nuts for them, I say!
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:47 AM
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30. Boy, is that ever true
especially among extreme progressives. They thought they were electing pre-Mecca Malcolm X. But even he changed after his trip to the motherland.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:08 PM
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8. He'll kill the insurance companies now. You'll see
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:15 PM
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9. Is that why Helen Thomas says
President Obama "lacks courage"..bc he has his own brand..just not the way she thinks he should act?

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Kadie (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 06:01 PM
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Helen Thomas: Obama lacks courage (In conversation with Helen Thomas at the Commonwealth Club)
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 06:02 PM by Kadie

Helen Thomas: Obama lacks courage

In conversation with Helen Thomas at the Commonwealth Club

It's one thing when the Financial Times says Barack Obama "seems to float like a butterfly -- and sting like one..."

Even if the gently biting British criticism does come from one of the few publications that successfully charges for some of its content -- journalism is all about commerce platforms these days -- we're still talking the Brits here. Hey! Who won the war? as White House press lioness and legend Helen Thomas once said to then-German Chancellor Helmut Kohl in her bawdy and distinctly American style of directness.

But it's another thing entirely when Ms. Thomas herself says that Mr. Obama "lacks courage."

There was a gasp in the crowd when the veteran reporter, who's covered and stuck her thumb in the eye of 10 presidents from her front row White House briefing room seat, made that comment yesterday at a San Francisco Commonwealth Club Q&A.


I was the interviewer and it rocked me a little, even though I'd read that Ms. Thomas' close friend, Abigail Van Buren ("Dear Abby") had once said, "No one is to the left of Helen Thomas."

We all know the Left is pissed at the President these days for everything from warmongering in Afghanistan to great gay rights speeches without action.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?en...
Posted By: Phil Bronstein (Email) | October 13 2009 at 12:27 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6767646
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:39 PM
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13. I saw that shit....I almost said something real mean
but held my tongue. LOL
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:49 PM
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18.  I just pointed out some reality on Miss Thomas..
..hey, I just cross posted your thread for another dose.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 12:59 PM
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23. It's because for all that's made of Thomas, she's just a reporter version of Joe Lieberman.
Everything she's ever done has been solely for advancing her own brand and notoriety. This is no different.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:21 PM
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10. And Again, I'll Use a Baseball Analogy - Obama and Team Play "Small Ball"
Those that continually swing for the fences strike out as often as they hit a home run. The Tampa Bay Rays however, went from "worst to first" last year by playing "small ball". (yes, I know they lost to the Phillies but stay with me here).

Their players were told first and foremost to get on base. Teams usually only have one or two folks who are dangerous base-runners but with TB everyone steals bases or tries to. They scored a lot of runs on singles and doubles because of it.

Yes, we need to swing for the fences every once in a while and sometimes I wish the President would do it more but that's not always how you win games...
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:41 PM
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14. He's Ali in the Rumble In the Jungle
he let Foreman wear himself out then he went in.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 01:02 PM
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24. A good manager knows the abilities, and weaknesses of his team.
A great manager uses that knowledge to his advantage. When you play 'little ball', everyone tries to contribute, no matter in how small a fashion.

And it can be infuriating trying to beat a team like that. It's getting nibbled to death by hamsters, they just never stop trying to gain the advantage.

Obama knows the abilities of his team. He's letting the other guys beat themselves trying to defeat him.


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:43 PM
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16. Obama's real tough when it comes to stumping on behalf of giving our money over to the banks
http://metavid.org/wiki/Stream:Senate_proceeding_10-01-08_00/2:38:38/2:53:07">Obama, stumping in the Senate on behalf of Bush's TARP

And Obama's real tough when it comes to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YNF9I25yU">telling everyone they'll now have to purchase corporate health insurance.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:49 PM
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17. As has been seen already in several policy fights- Obama's conflict aversion does not serve us well
on the domestic front, where it allows Republicans and various interest groups to frame the debate and set the narrative.

In foreign policy it may well make him the most successful and revered president in history- but at home, the style is dysfunctional and unlikely to produce more than half measures- none of which will reverse America's decline.

Sorry folks- that's just how it is- and will remain as long as the administration keeps playing concilliator- rather than taking it to their obvious and persistent enemies.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:50 PM
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19. Good article. Obama has a quiet personality.
But I have no doubt that underneath that is a pretty tough guy. Hey, I'm quiet too in my normal everyday life...but don't mess with me. I never forget it. }(
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 12:14 PM
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21. Exactly n/m
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 12:58 PM
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22. He is the Best SOLVER we had in 8 years,,,Bush was a Destroyer, a Decider, and a DumbAss
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 01:06 PM
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25. absolutely right and perfectly on!
we are so used to 'strong' being a fucking yammering substanceless loudmouth.

Obama is as tough as they get and I am very very happy that his journey has led him to where he is now - it's like a gift for us to start appreciating what is real and what is political hollywood.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 05:21 PM
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27. Just like we told our son when he was growing up.. Never throw the first punch..
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 05:23 PM by Peacetrain
but if someone comes after you and you had to get defend yourself.. we are in your corner 110%.

He only had one or two dustups in all his school years. Because he would never bully another person.. but if pushed.. he did not stop till the bleachers were cleared.

That is the kind of man I raised, I married, and I voted for.

And they never had to brag about how tough they were and are.. they just are :)

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:51 PM
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28. Oh Kick 'cause
I like this OP, a lot.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:58 PM
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29. Wish I could rec but i can kick
:thumbsup:

Great post

I really consider whatever we get out of HCR now to be a down payment. The conversation and political action aren't over. But what this will do, I hope, is go a long way toward defanging the insurance companies.
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