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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:44 AM
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The Peace Prize - Eugene Robinson nails it

The Peace Prize - Eugene Robinson nails it

by teacherken

After beginning by asking why Conservatives, at least some conservatives (since John McCain did offer congratulations, hate America, and why if they were so concerned about who wins they did not object to Henry Kissinger, F. W. De Klerk or Yasser Arafat, Eugene Robinson offers this gem:

The problem for the addlebrained Obama-rejectionists is that the president, as far as they are concerned, couldn't possibly do anything right, and thus is unworthy of any conceivable recognition. If Obama ended world hunger, they'd accuse him of promoting obesity. If he solved global warming, they'd complain it was getting chilly. If he got Mahmoud Abbas and Binyamin Netanyahu to join him around the campfire in a chorus of "Kumbaya," the rejectionists would claim that his singing was out of tune.

After that, we are off to the races in a terrific column, Obama's High Bar. And as he notes:

"I'm With the Taliban Against America" is not likely to be a winning slogan.

There is more. Robinson does not offer a comprehensive and exhaustive list of Obama's achievements such as some offered by others. He does note the shift from Bush's "cowboy ethos" towards multilateralism, towards an approach that will not only receive more foreign approval, but which is also far more likely to succeed.

more

(emphasid added)

:rofl:



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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:58 AM
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1. Haha! I just said something similar on another thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8699658&mesg_id=8699717

He fed all the hungry people in the whole freaking world! What a sicko! I'm sick of his shit! Who does he think he is? Jesus? Oh, wait... being like Jesus is a bad thing? Being a savior, a saint, a messiah from on high is a bad thing? Get thee to a dictionary, dipshits!



Yeah, it's getting way past stupid now.

I said this about the Norwegians for days now... they have every right to look down their noses at us for this assholery. Still, Obama's ratings went up to 56% according to Gallup, so it's probably closer to 60%. Nice little post-prize kick
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:00 PM
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2. delete-dupe
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 12:04 PM by MarjorieG
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:00 PM
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3. No kidding... it it just bizarre
If we held a mirror up to them, do you think they would have a reflection? I have my doubts ;)
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:02 PM
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4. Been trying to understand why both right and left demean this award and Obama. A lot of it is about
power, and the GOP's, conservative thinkers, and the right and left media's fear of losing it to control Obama and the direction of the country. Maybe just a loss of their stature, if they can't get it by minimizing Obama to further an agenda. Maybe just jealousy.

We know the Conservatives don't respect multilateralism. The accompanying mega power in waiting, politicians, media and think tanks now side-lined, means a lengthening opportunity for the public to understand there is another way that can be successful.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:52 PM
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13. Yeah, it's obvious why the rw is trying to demean
this award but the so-called left? They're just as bitter because they can't marginalize President Obama.

Obama is starting a Peaceful Revolution..and if that means getting rid of terrorists then so be it.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:33 PM
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5. kr
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:10 PM
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6. I went to the link, posted my view, quite simple really...
rfunke12 wrote:
A hearty congratulations to Mr. Robinson for pointing out the obvious. To President Obama, a hearty congratulations from one American citizen to another.
To the naysayers and negativists...grow up.


and within 30 seconds had 2 rec's...:D

Interesting how many people went there simply to pounce on Mr. Robinson & the president.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:13 PM
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7. Good job: "and within 30 seconds had 2 rec's... "
:rofl:

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:15 PM
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8. When I went back after posting the above...
it was up to 4...:D
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:30 PM
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9. People who don't like
Peace:hippie:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:34 PM
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10. And live in constant fear that Peace...
just might break out and ruin their day...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:56 PM
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12. Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace
:fistbump::bounce: :bounce::fistbump:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:39 PM
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11. Nice blog from teacherken, too, on dk..
"I agree. It is one reason that even when I criticized, it is in the frame of holding him to his own high expectations."

This is the kind of criticism that gets us somewhere..not the ugly disrespectful lies that go on in anticipation of ever getting anywhere.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:07 PM
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14. Obama "lacks courage"
so says Helen Thomas

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:38 PM
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15. It's too bad that Helen is taking
this disingenuous route to criticize Obama. I would have loved to hear from her in a truthful way.

But, she already lost me when she was going on about "the shocking lack of transparency in the Obama White House and she had never seen anything like that before:wow:

Now she's just a tool for the rwankers.

"We have never had that in the White House,” Thomas said, referring to the degree that press events are pre-scripted in the Obama administration. “I’m amazed, I’m amazed at you peole who called for openness and transparency…”

http://www.therightreasons.net/index.php?showtopic=15072

As far as "lack of courage" is concerned..who am I going to believe..Helen Thomas or Obama's History.

HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-13-09 06:17 PM
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"President Obama is tough. Just not our kind of tough."

http://mutantpoodle.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-power-... /

The Power of the Soft Martial Arts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxb2ctulEs

I’m done with pundits on the left saying Barack Obama needs to get tough. (Since folks on the right claim he’s creating re-education camps, they, at least, haven’t jumped on this idiotic bandwagon.)

If people haven’t figured out Obama by now, I don’t know what to tell you. He will never play the boisterous, in your face, my way or the highway character that some liberals dream about.

Last fall, Maureen Dowd loaned Aaron Sorkin her column inches, and had him channel Jed Bartlett to give Obama advice. Unsurprisingly, it was to take the gloves off:


OBAMA: What would you do?

BARTLET: GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say ”thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said ”Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word ”patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library….I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!


Obama, of course, didn’t go that route. How’d that work out for him?

Look – the first problem with people who want Obama to morph into the Incredible Hulk is, quite simply, that’s not who he is.

The second problem is that people too often equate bluster with strength. But ask anyone whose worked in bars before – the guys to worry about aren’t the blowhards – it’s the guys who say nothing but don’t back down.

After a full election campaign where Obama deftly let his opponents trip themselves up with their own momentum – just as Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba does in the clip above – Obama’s methods should be totally clear. He allows his opponents to propel themselves, with whatever combination of hyperbole and hysteria they choose to offer, past reasonableness, and then gives them a little effortless nudge – all the while leaving the door open for conversation and, dare I say it, bipartisanship, with those on the other side.

In short, he lets his opponents use up their energy attacking, and then steps in and finishes them.

The irony is that we are a culture that values toughness and yet fails to see it when it’s right in front of us. Ta-Nehisi Coates nailed it a year ago:


This is a war, and you don’t lose wars because of abstract principles, but because of hard immovable facts. Is your army bigger than theirs? Are you attracting more recruits? Are you deploying in the right places? Who has more resources? Who has the technology edge? These are the reasons I voted Obama in the primary. I didn’t think he was “more principled” than Clinton, nor did I really care. I thought she was tough, but I knew he was tougher. I thought her campaign was smart, but I thought his was smarter. I thought one person was talking about being a fighter, and another was out there actually being a fighter. The general is bearing all of this out, because right now, Barack Hussein Obama is beating John McCain like he stole something–from Toot, no less.


I’ll admit, the process with health care reform hasn’t been pretty. But the Senate Finance Committee – maybe the most reactionary committee in the Democratic supermajority Senate – just passed a health care reform bill 14-9. Those who screamed the loudest over the summer have largely run out of ammunition (after all, once you go down the Death Panels road, you’re bound to hit a dead end). There’s a long way to go, but no one’s gotten this close in nearly a century. All this from someone who people don’t think is tough enough.

I don’t know what form health care reform is going to take at the end of this godawful process. But whatever it is, I think Obama will have gotten as much as possible out of a pivotal group of recalcitrant Senate Democrats. I am just as convinced that trying to beat people up to get more would not only fail to do better, it would probably wind up with less. And finally, I think that given that this is how Obama operates, and how skillfully he does it, asking him to adopt strategies and techniques at which he’s less skilled is dumb – it’s like picking up a girl because you have a thing for swimmers, and then being upset because she can’t play softball.

Obama’s mastery of his style is what made him an effective – and winning – candidate, and it’s his best hope for success as a president. LBJ wasn’t on the ballot, folks. Move on.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8700538



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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:25 PM
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16. kick
There is a difference between people saying it was premature and taking cheap shots/revealing themselves of their resentment .I just read Pat Buchanan's latest gem of an article on Media Matters...of course, he "goes there" and compares the nobel to "Obama's scholarships and getting editor of law review", saying that they were ALL a result of affirmative action. First, how does Pat know why Obama got scholarships? People like Pat criticize people on the left who attack Sarah Palin for attending five colleges as intellectual snobs, while at the same time attacking Obama for not being "smart enough" to have possibly earned the scholarships on his own merit. It's such a racist clusterfuck. He came out and said that "Obama wins everything" in the article...it tickles me to know how much that pains Pat. He sees people like Sarah Palin as having "raw talent"...the difference is (besides the talent part, which we'll just set aside for argument sake) that Sarah Palin has crapped on a lot of her opportunities, while Obama has made the most of many.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 10:12 PM
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17. Thanks for the article. K & R!
It's a breath of fresh air after this latest RW media storm cloud in a teapot.

Congratulations, President Obama!
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