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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:05 PM
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Obama should be asking right about now, is "What would Bush do?"
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:08 PM by KoKo
Barry In The Bush With Smiles
Barack Obama
by David Michael Green | October 9, 2009 - 10:39am

I can't believe I'd ever say this, but the question Obama should be asking right about now, is "What would Bush do?"

I'll tell ya what. He'd jam his legislation down the throats of the other party, putting the fear of god in them if they dared to oppose the emperor. He's rip people's lungs out and stuff them back through their eye sockets if they looked at him cross-eyed. He'd lie to members of his own party and carpet bomb their entire home neighborhoods if they dared vote against him. If any media talking head didn't tell the lies they were programmed to speak, he'd kidnap their kids and send them to Gitmo, treating them a good waterboarding for every one of their birthdays. And, he'd call in Rove to stomp some people good, the nice Republican way.

What would that look like? Here's journalist Ron Suskind relating an inside taste of what he observed while waiting outside the Ol' Karl's office for an interview, back when he was running the White House political operation: "Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. 'We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!' As a reporter, you get around--curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events--but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. 'Come on in.' And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour."

Why won't Obama do this? Why won't he unleash all the powers at his disposal, knock heads together, and smash political opponents to smithereens in order to get his way? Two reasons. First, he wasn't a complete personal screw-up for the last half century, acknowledged even by his own parents to be a total embarrassment. He therefore doesn't have the burning need to show the world they've been wrong about him his whole life, like a certain other fellow recently seen roaming the halls of the West Wing.

The other reason is that Obama doesn't actually appear to be doing anything that requires any particular toughness. He's not trying to sell a bullshit war or dismantle Social Security, like Bush. He's not trying to end legal and institutional racism in a country where it was as pervasive as bibles in 'Bama, like Lyndon Johnson did. He's not attempting to bring the country kicking and screaming into the twentieth century, even after it was already one-third over, like FDR was.

In fact, he doesn't really appear to be doing much of anything, including producing the much-vaunted 'change' we heard endlessly about during last year's campaign. Unless, of course, you count the nice demeanor with which he continues the predatory policies of Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes. This is essentially George W. Bush's third term. It's Barry in the Bush with Smiles.

Obama more or less just seems to want to hang for a while, passively swaying in whatever winds happen to be blowing through at the moment. That might have worked in the 1950s, or even the 1970s, but not today. The brownshirts of the American right have been playing for keeps for some time now. And, while it's true that they can be their own worst enemy in normal times, these are hardly normal times. Failing to address the real economic pain people are feeling, failing to provide remotely meaningful healthcare reform, failing to clean-up the corporate predators slamming the public with bad mortgages, sky-high credit card interest rates and bailouts of the already rich - all of these are an invitation for some change Obama can believe in, especially in 2012. If he insists on being a political object, the right will gladly turn him into one. It will be a freakin' anvil too, not the fifth face on Mount Rushmore.

This is not kid's stuff. These mobsters are possessed of insatiable greed, and they are clever beyond belief at mobilizing the anxieties and inadequacies of a public already dumbed-down to a level of political immaturity that can barely keep pace with the amped-up fires of their personal rage to which it's dangerously coupled. How many re-run episodes of this mini-series do we need to see before we get clear on how it turns out?

The right is wrong on nearly everything, of course - the elites because they lie, and the shock troops because they're frightened of their own shadows and therefore find blessed relief in every possible palliative from the pope to Palin. But they are correct about Obama being a complete patsy. They like to bring that up in the foreign policy context, because it's good for scaring voters, and because it doesn't remind moderates of just who is actually rolling this punk here at home (a very fine example of which was provided by the cheers that went up from our nice super-patriots when America lost the Olympics bid). But the truth is that a movement that should have been discredited to the point of annihilation by its very own actions is now instead setting the agenda in Washington, and the guy who won the landslide seems busy trying to push the mud back up the hill so that he can be buried by it himself, instead of the people who pretty much literally want to kill him.

I really don't know what to say or think about this dude anymore. The way democracy is supposed to work is that his desire to hold office and the public's preference for certain policies should reinforce each other and impel us toward a mutually satisfying presidency. Instead, though, he trucks along seemingly oblivious to the fact that the exact opposite is occurring.

This country is sinking in every way imaginable, and he will be held to blame in 2010 and 2012.

More of this read...whether you agree or disagree...it's an interesting read...really...at:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/24278
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:07 PM
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1. Unfairly judging this President 10 months in,
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:25 PM by FrenchieCat
will leave the Smirking Chimp, or in this case Mr. Green (the winna on all things politics I'm guessing) looking stupid some more.

I have patience...so I can wait for egg all over Green's face,
as well as all of the other premature ass naysayers.

yeah...he ain't done shit. He's just bidding his time.
He just sitting there, and allowing debate, and discussion,
before we move on to another issue.....

He's just another shifty lazy ass darkie
trying to pretend that he's doing shit,
when all the while, he might as well see that his paychecks
are really nothing more than welfare payments
paying his lazy do nothing ass. :sarcasm:

But yeah, sure...he should be asking himself "what would Bush do?"

Mmmm-Kay.

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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:12 PM
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3. Bush would look and act stupid, like he did so well for 8 fucking years
while the people who ran him and their friends got rich and a lot of other people got killed to make that happen.

Bush and his gang ought to be in prison.

mark
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:20 PM
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7. The difference is that Obama is not asking himself that question....
Smirking chimp blog writer is....

and OP poster, I guess, believes that he has a point,
although I'm not sure what that point truly is...
other than the same ass shit we hear those who can speculate
on how everything will be tomorrow as it is today.

In fact, Smirking Chimp's desperaging OP reminds me of that
PriceWaterhouse report that the GOP is ginning up along with their insurance friends....
in order to derail reform of any kind.....
they deduce a whole lot of what will happen in the future based on a faulty premise,
that is held together by the omission of facts. But like Rush, guess they think most of us are either too stupid, or too mad to care that missing facts can somehow be made to arrive at a factual speculation about a bunch of bullshit surmised by blog writer.


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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:15 PM
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4. why is 10 months too soon for criticism but not for praise or
the Nobel Peace Prize? :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:21 PM
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9. Because the piece written is about Obama's 4 years......
it is speculating what it will look like,
and I'm not buying it....although you are welcome to that view of the future.
That's your right to believe the worse....just like it is mine not to.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:18 PM
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6. Its not about color.
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:18 PM by cornermouse
Its about policy. 10 months is getting darn close to 1/4 the way through his term.

Does the buck stop at his desk or not?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:23 PM
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11. In 4 years, the buck stops at his desk.....in terms of evaluating his presidency....
not 10 months in.
....so, till 2012,
speculation pulled out of a blogger's ass does not impress me.
Sorry, if it impresses you.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:29 PM
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12. I see.
According to your timeline we should have given Bush 4 years before we were allowed to say we opposed invading Iraq. We should not have said anything about his torture policy till 4 years after he installed it. And we should never have opposed his policy of spying on us for at least 4 years.

I am in awe and admiration.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:11 PM
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15. Bush had a 90% approval rating in October '01 after allowing this country to be attacked....
and he won another four years later on......
and that 90% included many Dems....

So yeah....I expect this one to be given some fucking time....especially from Dems.
But hey...whatever floats your boat in the end is what it will have to be.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:49 AM
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16. I never. ever. approved of Bush if that's the "accusation".
People, including non-democrats, voted for change. They did not vote for four more years of Bush's policies. They're not getting change and they aren't going to wait the four years you're demanding they wait before making the decision that Obama failed.

In fact, I'll go further than that. Over the same time period Bill Clinton had a better track record than what Obama has amassed so far. He had a friendlier, more folksy personality too which is probably why he survived the republican attempts to nullify the presidential election. Republicans probably won't do more than a few token attempts to undo this election though.

So far, what Obama has done has been little more than cosmetic in nature. He's allowed most of their worst, most invasive policies to remain intact. He's allowed the patriot act to survive. He's talked about shutting down Guantanamo at some distant future date... He sent more money to Wall Street's bankers. He's even considering escalating in Afghanistan. The only real change he's planning is mandatory insurance premiums with limited government support. This is not the change people wanted or were looking for when they went in the voting booth.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:11 PM
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2. Answer: He'd fuck it up*.
*whatever it was
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:16 PM
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5. Mr. Green, either suit up or shut up.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:21 PM
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8. Bush would be playing his guitar
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:22 PM
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10. Has the author been privvy to meetings, interaction, pressure delivered to those
only seeking to be re-elected. Rant about style vs substance from an outsider. Major juggling going on, I suspect.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:42 PM
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14. This post of your links to RW Theology...Please don't corrupt my post with your
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:49 PM by KoKo
stuff trying to get "converts." You won't get any here...and not Me. You RW, Rushbots, Glennbots and Palin Worshipers think that you can worm your way on here and subvert honest criticism of our President to get recruits to YOUR SIDE. FUCK OFF!


An Example from the article you link to:

The following thumbnails describe a very small sampling of the locust horde of Leftist bureaucrats President Barack Hussein Obama has deliberately chosen to help him grasp the helm of America's ship of state, strip it from the American people, and steer it hard to port.

The Obama Administration is plainly subverting democracy in America, wildly careening our previous 230-year history of democracy so dangerously Leftward that after a mere nine months we are in terrible danger of sinking.


ON EDIT: You Freeper Repug Paid Trolls never QUESTIONED your IDIOT REPUG FASCISTS...and you are JEALOUS that we DEMOCRATS CAN at LEAST FEEL FREE TO CRITICIZE OUR OWN!

BE GONE WITH YOUR PAID POSTS. WE KNOW where YOU COME FROM!
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