Greenwald Makes A Strong Argument For Not Delaying Action On DADT

[masuki bance]

Glenn Greenwald
Monday Oct. 12, 2009

Gay issues, the "Fringe Left" and the liberal veal pen

...Reality: "The ban on openly gay men and women in the military should be repealed, American voters say 56 - 37 percent" and "Voters reject 58 - 35 percent, including 56 - 39 percent in military households, the argument that allowing openly gay men and women to serve would be divisive . . . " and "57% of Americans support the idea of allowing gays and lesbians to enter into civil unions or domestic partnerships to protect their rights." Does this look "closely divided" to you?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/StMo7eCUZGI/AAAAAAAACI4/8mBPbP-HyQY/s1600/civil+unions.png


It's just isn't 1993 any longer. If Democrats can't deliver on basic issues with control of the White House, huge majorities in Congress and popular support, what can they do? Other than http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/10/12/MNH31A487H.DTL">this and http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24detain.html?hp">this?


UPDATE II: As for the "you-have-to-wait" justification, here's the time-line of the Democratic Party mentality on all such matters:

2004-2006: "You have to wait until we win a Congressional majority in the 2006 midterms."

2006-2008: "You have to wait until we win the White House in 2008."

January-May, 2009: "You have to wait until we have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate."

Currently: "You have to wait until after the 2010 midterms so we preserve our majority" or "you have to wait until Obama is safely re-elected in 2012."

Once Obama is safely re-elected, it will be: "you have to wait so you don't jeopardize the 2014 midterms." That's the mentality that produces majority power which exists for no real purpose but to perpetuate itself.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/12/fringe/

More at the link.

[ProSense]

1. "you have to wait until Obama is safely re-elected in 2012."

Who said that?

His strong case is speculation?

[masuki bance]

2. I'm going to give you Glenn's email

[e-mail]

He is very good at sourcing, I'm sure he will be able to answer you.

[ProSense]

4. "He is very good at sourcing" So why aren't the sources in the article?

Does he have a source for the 2014 speculation?

[masuki bance]

6. I swear, if you were trying to beclown yourself you couldn't do better job than

what you're doing.

[ProSense]

8. "He is very good at sourcing" You know him so well. Speaking of clowns

You stated that he made a strong case, which includes two points that are purely speculation.

Maybe instead of making stuff up to slight Obama, maybe Greenwald can call on Congress to act now.

[masuki bance]

10. We have a difference of opinion on Greenwald

nothing to blow an aorta over.

Try decaf.

[mkultra]

23. you act as if you know him personally.

Is it true?

[masuki bance]

26. No. nt

[vaberella]

20. Ain't that the truth. This is the shit that pisses me off with the goddaamned left.

They Obama to be the Bush of the left. They want Obama to ignore Congress and go unilateral and make up fake letters to get shit done. That's what they fuckin' want. I can't fuckin' stand it. GG does it a lot...but DUers do it all the damned time. Because Bush ran amok and did what he wanted, they want Obama to do the same. Ignore the fact that there are three branches so that when things are done judicially---it's Obama. If things are done legislatively---it's Obama. No. They forget that the legislative branch has specific duties and those people have specific powers that the President doesn't have....he doesn't vote on laws----he can veto them after the fact. But some clowns....man.

[JTFrog]

28. Speaking of clowns...

Beclown is an unusual word.

So much so I searched DU.

I only found one other instance... here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3895060#3895122


Go figure.

[Cha]

18. "Beclown yourself"? WTF..you have nothing so you personally

attack one of our DUERs who does SOURCE.

[JTFrog]

27. That word has only ever been used on DU once before:

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3895060#3895122

Just saying.

:shrug:

[ProSense]

29. Interesting.

I suppose a friend e-mailed the word.


:rofl:

[Cha]

31. Thank you for that bc

I read about some interesting connections on DU Yesterday concerning that very much 6 feet under pizza lover.

[JTFrog]

33. Yup, I just had to ask why

this zombie hasn't been served.

No answer yet. They better have a damn good one.

[mkultra]

24. i guess we hit the bottom of your debate bucket.

we found a sticker at the bottom with an insult on it.

[Autumn]

3. That is a good site.

I used to have a subscription to Salon years ago, I will have to look into renewing it.

[babylonsister]

5. You don't need a subscription; just go. nt

[Autumn]

32. Premium site is better,

so I will sign up there again. That was the first Internet site I ever subscribed to. Way back in the AOL days.

[WeDidIt]

7. Another screed from the keyboard of the Lord High Douchenozzle

:eyes:

All that's left is for Lord Privy Douchenozzle Sirota to weigh in.

[katandmoon]

13. GG is in an excellent position for writing: His lips aren't firmly attached to Obama's ass.

[joeycola]

17. well I would not use those words but agree with your sentiment.

[Cha]

19. No, his lips are firmly attached to his

own ass.

[mkultra]

25. +1 for clarity

[JTFrog]

30. +1

[vaberella]

16. +1. You don't lie...ignore above post.n/t

[zulchzulu]

9. Write your congress peeps to grow a spine and pass legislation ending DADT

DADT should be repealed, but Congress needs to "own it" with legislation that takes away the legislation they put in place.

Start here:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

[ProSense]

11. Maybe Greenwald isn't familiar with what needs to happen

The pen-stroke fallacy (DADT)

[SpartanDem]

12. There is already a bill

unfortunately too many on DU don't seem to know this, HR 1283 the Military Readiness Act, people really should be calling members of the Armed Services Committee.

[vaberella]

15. Yup. Obama mentioned said bill, not named specifically, but said there is one.

I know of it from DU, thanks SpartanDem, so I knew what he meant. He's already pushing for it to get through the House.

[Cha]

21. Having knowledge of his would seriously hamper

stupid PO bashing.

[vaberella]

14. Then the constituents should bully Congress since they make the laws.

I'm tired of this stress on Obama. Obama stood by and said he's working with Congress and mentioned the bill. He's putting as much pressue as he can alongsde getting climate change and health care underway. He doesn't control Congress since they have a great deal of power themselves. So everyone should get on the ass of their Congress elected official. That's where the ultimate push for change is. If people can't realize how important they are and who has distinct power over LAWS that are enacted...then nothing can ever get done.

[mkultra]

22. Now is clearly the time.

Congress must act now.