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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:04 PM
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The 800-Pound Assassin in the Room
Perusing DailyKos yesterday, I cam upon a diary entitled, "You're Going to Kill Him, Aren't You?" The author, apparently Canadian, was expressing great concern---fear, even---that President Obama will be murdered while in office.

I also read the replies to the diarist, and, though a few shared his worries and expressed understanding, most of them tore him a new asshole, which caused me to wonder, "Why?"

I mean, are we not cognizant of our own history? Have we forgotten the violence which permeates it?

Personally, I'd wager dollars to dimes that this Canadian was expressing what ninety-five percent of all foreigners think of us already!

Lincoln. Garfield. McKinley. JFK. Bobby. Martin. Malcolm. Add to this list our actions toward native Americans and African slaves, and exactly what the fuck else do we expect from the world???

I couple of days ago, I posted that---even though I'm an agnostic---I have been praying for Obama's safety. And why shouldn't I? Why shouldn't you? It is, at worst, harmless, which is a helluva lot more than I can say for the "Shhh! Don't say that! Words have power!" crap I keep seeing whenever the subject is broached. Psychiatrists would call it "magical thinking." And that's where the agnostic in me comes out.

"Speak of the Devil, and he shall appear." Bull! "Oh, if we just don't talk about the President maybe getting shot, it won't happen." Shit! No talismanic effect will derive from hushed silence. The Soviet Union was afraid of what it deemed "bad ideas." It tried to suppress them. Gee, that worked out well for them, didn't it?

One of my best friends is a Catholic priest, and he once explained to me that, in his church's rite of exorcism, the key point in the process, which unlocks the door to ultimate success, is to name the specific demon. Once that is accomplished, a positive outcome is virtually certain.

Talking openly about this particular demon won't guarantee its expulsion from our midst, but letting it fester unspoken is, in my opinion, to take our heads and plant them firmly in the sand.

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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:12 PM
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1. I like your point
but talk alone makes no difference either way. Look at all the posts. blogs, etc about problems in this country - then look at the action taken by congress. See?
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:58 PM
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6. Well.....
...it really is a separate issue: I don't think there's any danger of a Senator or Congressperson harming the President. Not even Joe the Douche Wilson.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:12 PM
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2. With all the Hate Talk that's being created by the Right-Wing, the subject and..
...it's possibilities are certainly not in the Low-Risk category.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:25 PM
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40. indeed..... it's up there on the color alert chart...RED
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Gwereeya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:45 PM
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46. Sadly, you're right.
Whenever I see the President speaking at a live, outdoor event, I tense up.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:38 PM
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3. I agree with you.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:50 PM
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4. Chilling article by Eric Boehlert on the rightwing hate/hysteria just before Kennedy assassination.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/23941

Boehlert quotes and links to a Vanity Fair article by Sam Kasher:

snip>

“In that third year of the Kennedy presidency,” Manchester wrote, “a kind of fever lay over Dallas country. Mad things happened. Huge billboards screamed, ‘Impeach Earl Warren.’ Jewish stores were smeared with crude swastikas.…Radical Right polemics were distributed in public schools; Kennedy’s name was booed in classrooms; corporate junior executives were required to attend radical seminars.”

A retired major general ran the American flag upside down, deriding it as “the Democrat flag.” A wanted poster with J.F.K.’s face on it was circulated, announcing “this man is Wanted” for—among other things—“turning the sovereignty of the US over to the Communist controlled United Nations” and appointing “anti-Christians … aliens and known Communists” to federal offices.

And a full-page advertisement had appeared the day of the assassination in The Dallas Morning News accusing Kennedy of making a secret deal with the Communist Party; when it was shown to the president, he was appalled. He turned to Jacqueline, who was visibly upset, and said, “Oh, you know, we’re heading into nut country today.”

Manchester discovered that in a wealthy Dallas suburb, when told that President Kennedy had been murdered in their city, the students in a fourth-grade class burst into applause.

more>
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:40 PM
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5. I read that and I remember the big bruhaha over his foreign policy adviser Zbigniew Brezinski
the big red scare

sad that these insane SOB tactics can still used today on a....ahem...educated populace...just give it a different name.

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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:18 AM
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11. Brzezinski?
He was Carter's NSA, not Kennedy's, ma'am.
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:25 AM
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12. Sorry!
That's Brzezinski. My bad.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:59 AM
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19. Oh but yes he was an advisor to JFK, sir


:spank:
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:13 AM
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29. I did not know that!
Thank you for sending me that info! Jeez, Zbig is a fossil!
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:42 AM
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13. reason #4521
not to like Texas. Very eye opening.

Well... it's not dislike per se. It's more a matter of liking the other 49 states a lot MORE.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:21 PM
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47. Gawd..I was only 19..I knew
nothing. I was just in shock when I had to pull over on the side of the road in Phoenix, AZ on hearing the news.

They sure covered that one up.
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Gwereeya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:51 PM
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48. I was 10 months old.....
...but I swear to this day I remember it! Maybe not every single detail, but I remember people crying, and I knew that an important man had been killed.
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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:41 PM
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7. K&R
I worry about it too!
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:47 PM
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8. America has a bloody history when it comes to killin' their leaders.
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 08:48 PM by Drunken Irishman
More so in the modern era than any western industrialized nation.

The last real assassination attempt on a president was only 29 years ago. That isn't very long.

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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:49 PM
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10. Yeah I didn't much agree with Reagan BUT
that's not the way to change Presidents! Jeez we're worse than medievel England when it comes to killing leaders!
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:43 PM
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43. Poppy got greedy
He already had control of most of the cabinet - only Don Regan and Ed Meese were truly Reagan's appointees out of the original 1981 cabinet. The rest were Bush Crime Family loyalists. Apparently that wasn't enough, and conveniently, the son of a family friend stepped forward to take Reagan out. Turns out that his aim was a little off, but Reagan probably got the message of who was REALLY in charge.

Funny thing about those friends of the Bush Crime Family. Hitler, Hinkley, Bin Laden...... what a great bunch of guys.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:07 PM
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9. Well said.
I'm also worried. In this current dangerous social climate violence could easily erupt again. We definitely have a history, as you point out.

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:27 AM
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14. Known Assassination Attempts on US Presidents
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 06:38 AM by demwing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

Andrew Jackson
January 30, 1835: At the Capitol Building, a house painter named Richard Lawrence aimed two flintlock pistols at the President, but both misfired, one of them while Lawrence stood within 13 feet (4 m) of Jackson, and the other at point-blank range. Lawrence was apprehended after Jackson beat him down with a cane. Lawrence was found not guilty by reason of insanity and confined to a mental institution until his death in 1861. The odds of two consecutive misfires were estimated at 1 in 125,000.

Abraham Lincoln
February 23, 1861: The Baltimore Plot was an alleged conspiracy to assassinate President-elect Abraham Lincoln en route to his inauguration. Allan Pinkerton, eponymous founder of the Pinkerton National Detective Agency, played a key role by managing Lincoln's security throughout the journey. Though scholars debate whether or not the threat was real, clearly Lincoln and his advisors believed that there was a threat and took actions to ensure his safe passage through Baltimore.

Theodore Roosevelt
October 13, 1912: Three and a half years after he left office, Roosevelt was running for President as a member of the Bull Moose Party. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, John F. Schrank, a saloon-keeper from New York, shot Roosevelt once with a .38 caliber revolver. A 50-page speech folded over twice in Roosevelt's breast pocket and a metal glasses case slowed the bullet. Amidst the commotion, Roosevelt yelled out, "Quiet! I've been shot." Roosevelt insisted on giving his speech with the bullet still lodged inside him. He later went to the hospital, but the bullet was never removed. Roosevelt, remembering that William McKinley died after operations to remove his bullet, chose to have his remain. The bullet remained in his body until his death. Schrank said that McKinley's ghost had told him to avenge his assassination. Schrank was found legally insane and was institutionalized until his death in 1943.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
On Thursday, February 15, 1933 in Miami, Florida, Giuseppe Zangara fired five shots at Roosevelt. The assassination attempt occurred one month before Roosevelt was sworn in for his first term in office. Four people were wounded and Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak was killed. Zangara was found guilty of murder and was executed March 20, 1933. Some researchers believe Cermak, not Roosevelt, was the intended target that day, as the mayor was a staunch foe of Al Capone's Chicago mob organization.

Harry S Truman
In 1950, two Puerto Rican pro-independence activists, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, attempted to kill Truman. A violent gun battle ensued between the assassins and the Secret Service, resulting in the death of White House Policeman Leslie Coffelt. Coffelt was able to kill Torresola before blacking out and soon dying. Collazo survived with serious injuries. Truman was not harmed.

John F. Kennedy
December 11, 1960: While vacationing in Palm Beach, Florida, President-elect John F. Kennedy's life was threatened by Richard Paul Pavlick, a 73-year-old former postal worker. Pavlick's plan was to serve as a suicide bomber by crashing his dynamite-laden 1950 Buick into Kennedy's vehicle, but the plan was disrupted when Pavlick saw Kennedy's wife and daughter bidding him goodbye. That attack of conscience foiled the opportunity, with Pavlick's arrest by the Secret Service coming three days later after he was stopped for a driving violation, with the dynamite still in his car. Pavlick spent the next six years in both federal prison and mental institutions before being released in December 1966.

Richard Nixon
February 22, 1974: Samuel Byck apparently planned to kill Nixon by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House. Once he had hijacked the plane on the ground, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot, then was shot by an officer through the plane's door window before killing himself. The events surrounding this assassination attempt were portrayed in the film The Assassination of Richard Nixon.

Gerald Ford
September 5, 1975: In Sacramento, California, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a follower of Charles Manson, drew a Colt .45 caliber pistol on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd. There were four cartridges in the pistol's magazine but the firing chamber was empty. She was soon restrained by a Secret Service agent. Fromme was sentenced to life in prison, but was released from custody on 14 August 2009.

September 22, 1975: In San Francisco, California, Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at Ford from 40 feet (12 m) away. A bystander, Oliver Sipple, grabbed Moore's arm and the shot missed Ford. Moore was sentenced to life in prison. She was later paroled on Monday, December 31, 2007, from a federal prison after serving more than 30 years.

Jimmy Carter
May 5, 1979: Two minutes before Carter was about to speak at the civic center mall in Los Angeles, Raymond Lee Harvey was arrested carrying a pistol. He later told authorities that he and another man, Osvaldo Ortiz, were hired to create a diversion so that Mexican hit men armed with sniper rifles could kill Carter. Charges against him were dismissed for lack of evidence.

Ronald Reagan
On March 30, 1981, following a speaking engagement at the Hilton Washington Hotel in Washington, D.C., Reagan and three others were shot and wounded by John Hinckley, Jr., as Reagan was returning to his limousine. The others that were shot were White House Press Secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy, and D.C. police officer Thomas Delahanty, all of whom survived, though Brady was permanently disabled. Reagan survived and recovered after emergency surgery at nearby George Washington University Hospital.

George H.W. Bush
April 13, 1993: Sixteen men, in the alleged employment of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University. The supposed plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins. Bush had left office in January 1993. On June 26, 1993, the U.S. launched a missile attack targeting Baghdad intelligence headquarters in retaliation for the attempted attack against Bush. The Iraqi Intelligence Service, particularly Directorate 14, is thought to be behind the plot, though other sources say evidence is thin.

Bill Clinton
September 12, 1994: Frank Eugene Corder flew a single-engine Cessna into the White House lawn, apparently trying to hit the White House. The President and First Family were not home at the time. Corder was the only casualty.

October 29, 1994: Francisco Martin Duran fired at least 29 shots with a semi-automatic rifle at the White House from a fence overlooking the north lawn, thinking that Clinton was among the men in dark suits standing there (Clinton was in the White House Residence watching a football game). Three tourists, Harry Rakowsky, Ken Davis, and Robert Haines, tackled Duran before he could injure anyone. Duran was found to have a suicide note in his pocket and was sentenced to 40 years in prison.

November 1994: In anticipation of Clinton's visit to Manila in the Philippines, al Qaeda operative Ramzi Yousef planned to blow up his motorcade. The plan was aborted due to heavy security

George W. Bush
February 7, 2001: While President George W. Bush was occupied in the White House Residence, Washington, DC, Robert Pickett, standing outside the perimeter fence, discharged a number of shots from a weapon in the direction of the White House. The U.S. Park Police claimed, according to CNN correspondent Eileen O'Connor, that the type of handgun that was confiscated was of a sophisticated type and had the shooter not been shooting from an obstructed angle view, the bullets would have reached the White House. However, numerous trees and bushes separated the sidewalk, where Pickett was, from the White House. Following a stand-off of about ten minutes, the incident ended when a Secret Service officer shot Pickett, resulting in an injury which required immediate hospital surgery. Pickett was found to have emotional problems and employment grievances. Although Pickett had written letters to the President about these grievances there was lack of conclusive evidence that President Bush was a personal target. A court in July 2001 sentenced Pickett to three years imprisonment in connection with the incident.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, Bush was at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida. He woke up around 6:00 AM and prepared for his morning jog. A van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent arrived at the Colony Beach Resort and claimed they had a "poolside" interview with the President. They did not have an appointment and were turned away. It is possible this was an assassination attempt modeled on the one used on anti-Taliban fighter and Northern Alliance military leader Ahmed Massoud two days earlier. The previous April, Massoud addressed the European Parliament and warned of the possibility of al-Qaeda attacking in the West. Longboat Key Fire Marshal Carroll Mooneyhan was reported to have overheard the conversation between the men and the Secret Service, but he later denied the report. The newspaper that reported this, the Longboat Observer, stands by its story. Both Mooneyhan and the Observer reporter were questioned by the Secret Service, but the agency has not commented further. Witnesses have recalled seeing 9/11 hijacker ringleader Mohamed Atta in the Longboat Key Holiday Inn a short distance from where Bush was staying as recently as September 7, the day Bush’s Sarasota appearance was publicly announced.

May 10, 2005: While President George W. Bush was giving a speech in the Freedom Square in Tbilisi, Georgia, Vladimir Arutyunian threw a live Soviet-made RGD-5 hand grenade towards the podium where he was standing and where Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and their two wives and officials were seated. The grenade was live and had its pin pulled, but did not explode because a red tartan handkerchief wrapped tightly around the grenade kept the firing pin from deploying quickly enough. Arutyunian was arrested in July 2005, and killed an Interior Ministry agent while resisting arrest. He was convicted in January 2006, and was given a life sentence.


A you can see, the attempts were rare over the years (relatively) till Kennedy was shot. Since then, there have been attempts made on the lives of every sitting President except for Johnson, though Reagan has been the only one injured. The most recent attempt on American soil, by an American citizen, was against Bush II in 2001, a mere 9 years ago.

There's more at the Wikipedia page, including the "successful" plots, and a bit about deaths that were rumored to be assassinations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:45 AM
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15. As we can see, there are many attempts on our modern Presidents
That grenade almost going off...don't like Bush but wow.
Obama no doubt has great security but we just never know what could happen. No one in the Rethug party is willing to try and tone the attacks down.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:45 AM
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16. If they do get him, that tears it.
There's a lot of people out there who look away and shrug at the lunacy the wingers are participating in currently. I really think if it escalated to the point of assassinating our President, people wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss the hate-mongers as loonies with nothing better to do than gather at staged "rallies". No, there would be a whole lot more people demanding a stop to the blatant hate propaganda that is allowed to be broadcast day and night.

Julie
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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:33 AM
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18. "that tears it?"
No, it destroys the whole country! Remember the aftermath of MLK and Rodney King? A picnic by comparison! Hell, I'd be out there rioting, and I'm white!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:50 AM
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20. No argument here.
It would snap a lot of people out of their stupors and they would be pretty pissed. Not only is there the racial aspect of this but also the factor of the office of the President is involved. It would be the biggest thing ever. I too would be out in the streets raising holy hell. This would be one whack job I would not let the right get away with. As far as I am concerned they have gotten away with murder countless times. No more.

Julie
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:57 AM
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32. If you are suggesting that African Americans would riot I think you are wrong.
The outcome would be much different than you seem to expect.
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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:39 PM
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36. Actually.....
...I think 63% of the country would be rioting, including, as I suggested, myself!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:36 AM
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21. Julie, It would absolutely....
"tear it"

The great American experimenthas been on life support for for the past 9 years and such an act would flatline it....finished for good.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:03 AM
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17. Assassination is not the way to get positive change...
rarely, if ever, has assassination proven to be beneficial, whether it be a Greek or Roman leader, right up to today's leaders. While it may be argued that the assassination of Hitler can be "justified", a look at what happened after Reinhardt Heydrich was assassinated shows that the repercussions can be horrific. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand brought about a war that caused millions of deaths, and after a 20 year "breather", continued to become what is known as WWII, causing 100 million deaths worldwide.

I have often gone to the "what if" scenario if Lincoln had not been assassinated. Reconstruction would have been vastly different, and many of the problems we have today might not have had the opportunity to come about if a single bullet had not been fired in a theater. The power of an individual w/a "mission" cannot be understated. As much as I despise Reagan and bush, the thought of assassinating either of them is reprehensible, it has no place in the scheme of things.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:38 PM
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23. We're smart enough to know that, they aren't.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 01:39 PM by glitch
By we I mean liberals, by they I mean conservatives.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:54 PM
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24. They never seem to learn...
guided by apprehension, they make matters infinitely worse.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:04 PM
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25. Guided by apprehension, ain't that the truth.
Fear can only help you learn if you face it, if you just react to it you are nowhere, running in place forever. IMO.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:46 PM
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26. Most fear is unfounded...
When I was younger, the father of a friend of mine was a rabbi. When I was having a bad time one day, and it obviously showed, he asked me what was wrong. I told him I had problems. To which he then asked if any of these "problems" was going to kill me immediately, naturally, I said no. He then told me that I really didn't have a problem, I had more like questions..."if it's going to kill you outright, you have a problem, otherwise you have time to figure it all out." This man would know, he was a Holocaust survivor and had seen it all. I remember those words during trying times.

Fear is controllable, the way to control it is to learn what is frightening you. Once that is understood, the fear melts away and it is relatively easy to deal with the situation...:hi:

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:03 PM
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27. Wise words to live by, my friend. Thank you :) nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:27 PM
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37. He sounds like a man who know things.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:52 AM
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49. The wingnuts who talk about it are not interested in positive change: they really want civil war...
Talk of civil war seems to come in the next breath with them, right after the assassination talk. Same with the protest signs in public. It's very, very chilling.

Hekate

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Gwereeya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:57 AM
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50. "Let's take our country back.....
...to 1850!" :freak:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:10 PM
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22. As I tried to explain to another reader here a while back.
We managed to pull off exactly one revolution, successful due to the support of France, Spain, and The Netherlands. After that, the only way to change things--usually for the worse--was through assassination and election theft.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:42 AM
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28. Wish it wasn't too late to rec this.
I can sure kick it, though.

I worry about this a lot and I think the worry is justified. I was born after the assassinations of the 60s but I'm old enough to remember the attempt on Reagan and how much it freaked the country out, even people who couldn't stand him. we like to think we're a secure country and the rule of law will keep things orderly, but assassinations bring out the Somalia in the soul, remind us that it CAN happen here, whatever "it" is. And for it to happen to the first Black president, a popular and beloved man with a brilliant mind and beautiful young family and ideas he's barely begun to put into effect, our last real chance at restoring our nation to sanity...

Yeah. It would have a horrible, far-reaching chain of effects all over the world. And it COULD happen. To pretend it couldn't is wishful thinking and oblivious of history.

History isn't over. We're living in it all the time. We're part of it. We're as vulnerable to it as anyone in any time period.
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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 03:23 AM
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30. JFK said it himself:
A few months before Dallas, he commented that all it would take is the willingless of a man to trade his own life for that of the President.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:06 AM
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31. not since before JFK's assassination has the vitriol and hate speech been as high.
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phoenixriz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:08 AM
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34. Thank you Czar One
Your concern for our President is very valid with the crazies mouthing off, pushed on by the media. I too am very worried. As the Rabbi said, "Can it kill you?" For President Obama who gets many assassination threats every day, the answer is yes, it can.

I will keep posting this site until we can raise the numbers up to surround our President with a bright light. If we use our energies in a positive way all together that is a powerful force. gratefullness.org......go light a candle in the Obama group.

I've lived through John, Martin, Bobby and it almost killed the majority in our country. And the world changed. Something died within us that was never replaced. Yes there were the haters who cheered but the majority of the country cried. We have those same type of haters here today.

We need to keep speaking out against the Media lier's and expose the darkness where true evil lies.Name them all. Loud and clear. Identify and expose them. We must be alert and do what we can even if is just lighting one little candle per day for our Leader.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:27 AM
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35. K&R
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:37 AM
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38. War, children, it's just a shot away. n/t
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Ivan the So-So Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 04:11 AM
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39. Yeah
Civil War II, 'cept I don't think we'd survive this one as a nation.
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Thornleylv Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:46 AM
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33. K&R NT
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:58 AM by Thornleylv
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:36 PM
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41. I'm hoping that the Secret Service and the security technology since the 60s
Protects us from this.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:20 PM
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44. That's assuming that the Secret Service itself might not be part of a conspiracy.
I'm not so afraid that a right wing nut case might take Obama out. The secret service is up to that challenge. What scares me the most is the possibility of a situation similar to what happened to JFK when parts of the government such as the CIA and/or the FBI are involved.
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Gwereeya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:03 PM
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45. Dude, no disrespect.....
...but that's tinfoil talk!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:38 PM
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42. Always hate people who show up with names that echo RW talking points: Czar?
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 01:38 PM by ProSense
Hope it enjoyed the Pizza.

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Buck Feck Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 05:14 PM
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51. Buck Feck!
It'll be on his head if it happens!
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