I just realized----we're going to win

[underpants]

My reasoning:

1) Kerry has run the most ineffective, listless, milquetoast campaign in modern memory. He makes Gore look like Clinton. Hell, he makes Dukakkis look like Gore! But HE still leads or is in a tie (more like a big win)

2) The media is unabashedly pro-Bush. Whether they're parroting dubious poll numbers without questioning the methodology or replaying, in-full, mud-slinging anti-Kerry TV spots, calling it "news"--even though they don't find out what's behind them--even the most brainwashed Ditto Head would have to agree that cable news is pro-Bush But the Republicans have undermined the media for the last 3 decades and MOST PEOPLE DON'T TRUST THE MEDIA ANYMORE

3) The electorate is dumb. Apart from a small percentage who actually read the newspaper and do a little online digging now and then, the American adult population actually believes that it is safer, richer and closer to God than it was in 2000. They drive their new SUVs into the garages of their gated cul-de-sac houses, where they flop down on the couch to watch O'Reilly in the evening, after a supper of overpriced take-away food from some starch-peddling, overpriced chain restaurant with old Burma Shave signs on the wall in lieu of actual atmosphere. And easily persuadeable, especially at the end

[jus_the_facts]

1. Seems to me....it's better to be prepared for another stolen election....

....lest you end up in the looney bin in complete and total denial after the fact. I'm just sayin'! :nopity:

[cosmicvortex20]

16. I agree

Its not looking good right now.

[leesa]

2. I hate it when Dems fall for the GOP talking points as in #1.

He has not been listless and milquetoast. He has not had any media coverage. I disagree with Kerry on many points, but I just hate to see Dems parroting that right wing crap.

He draws 10-15000 people to his rallies. He has made some very strong statements. What the hell are you talking about? Is this what CNNNBCCBS told you was happening??

[kestrel91316]

5. Absolutely corrrect......................

failure of the media do do their job and report on his campaign does not mean there is no campaign. Kerry is a very dynamic but thoughtful speaker. He is not the same style as Clinton when he speaks, but he has a lot of very important things to say. The SCLM goes out of their way to underreport, then parrots the memes of "No one knows anything about Kerry's positions" and "Kerry is boring". What a bunch of shills for the RW.

[jean]

13. your first point sounds like Daryl Kagan wrote it

[Cleita]

15. I was thinking the same thing.

The biased and brief media coverage Kerry is getting is not only unprofessional but is slanted to make him look wishy washy. Those of us who read an actual newspaper everyday find better coverage of what he is doing and saying than on the cable and broadcast news.

[Zorra]

25. Good point. I hate to see people parroting that right wing crap also.

[havocmom]

3. In the words of Randi Rhodes

Kerry in a landslide*

* so long as we get our people to work and watch the polls too! The only risk in this one is that the votes don't get cast by everyone who wants to vote or they don't get counted accurately. We have got to get poll watchers EVERYWHERE.

[DemonFighterLives]

4. Wait till he takes off the gloves!

And of course we need the media to report it as well.
I like to hear the positive landslide stories, but sadly half of the people are still fervent B*sh Cult followers. Negative campaigning and lies appear to work. Well on freepers anyway.

[TankLV]

7. We're still waiting.

We've been waiting for a lot of months hearing this supposed new tactic now.

It's getting very frustrating - and is very discouraging.

But if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound? The whore media certainly aren't reporting it, I've seen very little of it.

Maybe it's out there, but how would we know?!

[mreh]

12. Have you been traveling with the Kerry Campaign and do you

know for a fact that he has not taken the gloves off? Are you constantly monitoring the campaign or are you just reacting to the spin that the media has put on the campaign?

If you are a personal witness to the campaign and you are still disappointed, then your post has merit. If you are not, then recognize that you have fallen for the Rove spin and you are what PT Barnum believed was born everyday.

How sad it is that dems fall for the traps of the * campaign and the slant of the corporate owned media.

Do you still believe that SH had something to do with 9/11? Why not, did you think outside of the box created by * and the media? Don't you think others have done the same?

[LSK]

20. the problem is lack of media coverage - even CSPAN

There is not much chance for most of the country to see Kerry give a speech in full.

I wish at least CSPAN would cover more. What the hell do we need Book Talk on CSPAN2 less than 2 months before an election?

[DemonFighterLives]

19. I agree TankLV

I've been waiting as well. Kerry may need to get nasty and call W for what he is.
Kerry landslide can not come soon enough for me.
I think I may go buy some champagne. Either for the victory party or to drown my sorrows. :toast:

[mountainvue]

18. Classic rope a

dope.

[comradebillyboy]

6. i completly agree with item 1, except for your conclusion

where is the evidence of his lead? the polls show bush is starting to pull away, they do not show kerry gaining at all

[kayell]

8. We will win because we must. There is no other option.

[tilsammans]

9. Here on DU . . .

. . . I've read several times about how Kerry is known as a great "closer." I sure hope that's so. The only thing I fear is that he won't get adequate, accurate press coverage.

[nodehopper]

10. you forgot about the Diebold machines

[found object]

11. Repubs are acting desperate

They are doing what they can just to give hope to their core supporters.
As stated above, Kerry in a landslide victory IF its a clean election.

[davsand]

14. Yes--the fat lady is NOT singing yet!

I am a long way from sitting down and giving it up. Kerry is not in as bad of a position as a lot of folks seem to think. I found this article on Reuters today--and I think a lot more DUers need to read it just to get their heads back together.

See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2370513


Laura

[cliss]

17. Thank you Underpants, for the best thread of the day.

I have to agree with you. I live in Portland, and everywhere I look, I see Kerry-Edwards lawn signs. So far, I've only seen one Bush-Cheney sign. Letters to the editor of the Oregonian newspaper are favoring Kerry to Bush by 5 to 1.

This election will be the most watched in history. I believe it will be REALLY hard for them to cheat. They're going to try, of course, but there will be International teams out watching the circus on Election day.

Plus, there will be exit polls keeping track.
Keeping my fingers crossed.

[karlrschneider]

21. Exit polls? I hadn't heard about that...who's doing them?

..

[cliss]

22. Voting places typically have volunteers who stand outside

with a clipboard and ask people as they leave, "how did you vote?". The voter will usually answer with who their preference was.

The exit pollers keep track of how an election is running. I believe they report the exciting news to TV broadcasters on the scene. Of course, it's unofficial.

In Florida, there were several places that had huge discrepancies from what people told the volunteers, versus what the elections results showed. Areas where people heavily favored Gore showed big Bush results, and no one could figure out why (I think I can guess).

As far as I know, these people are volunteers. In my opinion, they are our last and final hope against the paperless voting machines.

[welshTerrier2]

23. Them's Fighting Words

hey ... what's the big idea ... I live on a cul-de-sac !!

on a more serious note, I did want to take issue, or at least raise the issue, about whether the "electorate is dumb" ... it's not that I necessarily disagree but I do think it's important to distinguish between the words "stupid" and "ignorant" ... too often, the two are used interchangeably ...

the electorate is without question ignorant ... go ask any 10 people for Kerry's position on the economy or bush's position on health care ... good luck finding even one voter who can respond ... most voters don't have a clue on the issues ...

that's why I often feel like the numerous issues raised on DU are great red meat for DU'ers but go nowhere with the general public ... we get all wired about O'Neill's book, the Plame affair, bush's Saudi ties or even WMD's or bin Laden but it just never seems to matter ... most voters are voting based on very uninformed impressions about "leadership" or vague personal qualities ... it shouldn't be this way but i'm afraid it is ...

so voters are certainly ignorant ... perhaps, just perhaps, they're stupid as well ...

[underpants]

24. Two great quotes

"No one ever lost money betting on the stupidity of the American public"-PT Barnum (I believe)

Woman at Adeli Stephenson rally:"Sir, there is a thinking man or woman in this counry who won't be voting for you"

A.S.-"That's great ma'am but I need a majority"

I guess some things don't change but that also means that almost anything will sell (see Coors Light).

[immoderate]

27. Attribution Police! Alert!

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" --H.L. Mencken

"There's a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum

OK -- Resume discussion.

--IMM

[wrate]

26. I'll consider the polls AFTER the debates.

Kerry is a GREAT debater. I just want to see * being obliterated by the true statesman that Kerry is.

[senseandsensibility]

28. By any objective measure

Kerry will make * look like the halfwit he is. The question is, how will it be spun by the mediawhores? I think we know the answer, and we should be prepared for it.:)