Do The Posters That Only Post Negative Obama Articles & OP-Eds...

[JimGinPA]

Really believe they are changing anyone's opinion here?

[Oregone]

1. They may think they are providing a valuable contrasting viewpoint...

such that one can find the truth somewhere in between, if at all.

[Teaser]

29. some may believe that, but most are here

simply to irritate.

[democrat2thecore]

2. Do The Posters That Only Post Cheerleading Articles & Op-Eds

Really believe they are changing anyone's opinion here?

Some of us think independently about POLICY; and don't look forward almost 4 years with "Obama 2012" banners as if it's all only about getting elected (the politics) and not about doing what you say you'll do when you ARE elected (the policy). Think about it.

[Dinger]

4. + 1

[emilyg]

10. +2

[Beacool]

48. + 3

[denem]

52. The Primaries are Over.

[georgian style]

73. You replied to a member who said nothing about the primaries

Can you explain why?

[Solomon]

78. Because some of us notice that it's the same three people who

didn't like Obama in primaries (they wanted someone else) who continue to post negative crap about Obama.

[polmaven]

60. And your reply

was to Bea, rather than the post to which she was referring or to the posters who wrote simply +1 and +2 why? Simply because of her avatar?

You're right. The primaries ARE over, so please try to GET over them.....Thank you.

[Beacool]

74. Thank you!!!

:pals:

[Orsino]

79. +4

We shouldn't fear to seek the truth. We should be worried only when we don't have good answers for the nabobs of negativism.

[jannyk]

11. ++++++&++++++!

[saracat]

12. Amen

[Tunkamerica]

14. +1

[FreakinDJ]

19. You mean like the "Doom and Gloom" Economic Op-Eds

All I want to say is - "Thanks to the Fucking Stupid Freeper Trolls" - you put out so many Economic Doom and Gloom Op Eds I just plain clobbered the short-sellers

I placed all my money back in the markets when Obama said "Stocks are at a Good Value" (DJIA - 6700) and watched my anuity grow $1500 - $2500 PER DAY for the rest of the summer.

It almost gave me the feeling I didn't have to go to work

[uponit7771]

21. YES, if they're factual they establish right direction on the other hand the doom & gloom isn't

...factual most of the time and there are word smithing or cherry picking information.

Once you dig down in the articles you can easily see they either leave out context or just sKrait up lie.

I think that's were the doom\gloomers are missing with these articles.

Not a cheerleader but it's hard to take the people who post these articles from our sloppy M$M seriously

[ProSense]

27. "it's hard to take the people who post these articles from our sloppy M$M seriously"

Exactly.

[PVnRT]

36. How about cheerleading articles from the MSM?

I notice you guys never have anything negative to say about those. Interesting how that works.

[ProSense]

25. Take a look at who is agreeing with you.

That's a big clue as to who the doom and gloomers are.

[pecwae]

26. Not enough digits to agree.

[joeycola]

31. Thank you.

[PVnRT]

35. +1

[Moochy]

39. Well said

Think! :think:

[polichick]

51. Yep - for me it's about policy that reflects Democratic principles...

Some articles that speak the truth about the corporate influences in this WH are seen as negative here ~ I just see them as valuable information.

[Fire1]

56. I think ALL elected officials 'promise' a bunch of shit until

they actually get elected and find out what's REALLY going on. President Obama is the only one I know of who has remained consistent more often than not.

[democrat2thecore]

61. You're kidding, right?

"President Obama is the only one I know of who has remained consistent more often than not."

I've never seen a president do so many 180 degree turns on issue after issue just 8 months into their presidency. THIS is the crux of the matter. It's not that Obama is not doing anything or "has a lot on his plate," it's that so much of what the president has done is completely opposite of his promises on the campaign trail. Do I have to list them all yet again?

[Fire1]

65. List ALL promises 'broken' and not addressed in less than a

year. You're obviously one of those who thinks he walks on water. I don't waste my time with people like you.


edit: spelling

[Cha]

62. Fuck no, not for the dyed in the wool

fail pushers.

[TomCADem]

3. If Corporations Can Astroturf Conservative Movements, Why Not Liberal Ones?

I think some of the critics offer very good perspectives. But there are several who are just prolific spambots who link to articles that often conflict on everything, except for criticism of the President, the repeatedly self-bumps his own posts.

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[LooseWilly]

5. Does anyone here actually read and consider articles based upon the considerations of the articles?

Or has everyone already made their choice about judgements... and all attempts at dialogue are merely shouts upon oppositely positioned deaf ears?..

[democrat2thecore]

6. You're presuming too much

Your presumption sounds like you believe there are Pro-Obama and Anti-Obama people on this board. I would disagree (excepting the trolls). We're all Pro-Obama - many of us worked hard for an Obama victory, gave large sums of money, etc. Most everyone here wants our president to succeed. But some of these issues are landmark pieces of domestic legislation that President Obama has - unfortunately - chosen to come down on the side of wealth and power instead of keeping promises to the people.

We're all still Pro-Obama offering the kind of feedback he asked for during the campaign. Something along the lines of, "When I get off the track, and I will, remind me who I'm working for. I'll make mistakes, I'm human! But Iowa, New Hampshire - when I am President of the United States, I may not always do right, but when I do wrong I want to know about it. Stay organized! Keep my feet to the fire! I'm going to be a president for the people!"

We're all Pro-Obama here at DU (or a good 95% us). We're just doing what he asked and expecting promises to be kept.

[LooseWilly]

9. I'm presuming nothing... I'm reacting to those who will brook no criticism.

You interpret my statement as saying that there are Pro-Obama and Anti-Obama people on the board... I say that I am rather trying to assert that there seem to be those who are pro-all-policies-Obama... and those who judge policies against their own personal standards and are therefore pro or anti Obama on a policy by policy basis...

Many "pro-all-policies-Obama" folks seem to want to judge the latter as being "Anti-Obama". It is not. That is a simplification suitable for a child or a fan of the NFL.

Many of us have, as you said, "worked hard for an Obama victory, gave large sums of money, etc."... but then come to see, again as you said "that President Obama has - unfortunately - chosen to come down on the side of wealth and power instead of keeping promises to the people". Many of us have thusly come to be as doubtful of the Obama Administration as of any previous administration (ok, W was ape-shit out of control ... but most other administrations have been "reasonable").

I'm just trying to decide if it's worth continuing to point out how, as you say "President Obama has - unfortunately - chosen to come down on the side of wealth and power instead of keeping promises to the people"... or if it's just an investment in carpal tunnel syndrome that a half assed health care reform won't leave me with potential medical coverage to treat when the time comes...

I'm coming to think the latter, more and more... so I'm going to stop typing for a little while and have a drink. If my liver fails, at least I'll die... but if my hands fail... I'll be forced to panhandle and ask nice strangers to roll my cigarettes for me... and that sounds like a fate worse than dying of liver failure for lack of health care coverage...

[JimGinPA]

13. Laughable...

My OP concerns the dozen or so that spam this board daily with anti-Obama articles. Your feigned ignorance of that reality makes a joke of your "policy basis" argument.


That's not to even take into consideration the haters that haven't gotten past the primaries that merely co-sign any negativity relating to Obama - a couple notables upthread for example...

[CakeGrrl]

15. True. You'll never get anyone to admit to it, but

I know exactly what you're getting at. I can pretty reliably predict a few of those who will cosign a thread based on the topic and the OP, and likewise know the tone of the thread based on who created it.

[ruggerson]

50. Can't you also do the reverse?

I know I can.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. +2

[Hutzpa]

41. Not to jump on your wagon

but, where did the OP say this;

'm just trying to decide if it's worth continuing to point out how, as you say "President Obama has - unfortunately - chosen to come down on the side of wealth and power instead of keeping promises to the people"

or did you just made that up...:shrug:

[KoKo]

34. Well said." I may not always do right, but when I do wrong I want to know about it"

And, that's what we are trying to do. Rebuild our Dem Party so it's strong, with values that reflect the people's aspirations and not the lobbyists dreams of ever more money from Corporate interests who have forgotten that they "need the people" to work the businesses they profit so mightily from.

There's a tremendous imbalance and the Repugs follow their leaders off the cliff. Democrats need to work to correct that imbalance. We can't keep electing folks who promise one thing and then are easily lead by Corporate Lobbyists to keep "the people" under their boots.

[Hutzpa]

43. This I absolutely agree with. n/t

[Prism]

37. I always read the articles

One has to, really, because what certain regular posters claim various articles say based on a few cherry-picked sentences or paragraphs and what the full length articles actually say are generally wildly divergent things.

Sometimes the claims and the actual article are 180 degrees from each other.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. They have limited impact here, except for the easily persuaded & dimwitted. (nt)

[girl gone mad]

16. Maybe there's a big generational divide here.

I'm not sure. I do notice that the 35 and unders I talk to care deeply about policy above all, while older people tend to dwell on party and personalities as if they are talking about a sports team or movie archetypes. I have to admit that I can't relate at all to the latter way of thinking.

I recently met with a group of young political activists and I was very impressed by their knowledge of the issues facing us. I think the internet really is revolutionizing politics by breaking the stranglehold the media has had on news and opinions. Politicians and political groups will have to adapt because lashing out at the messengers won't stop the progression of ideas.

[msongs]

24. death to all people over 35! nt

[Puglover]

55. That's a mighty big brush you're painting with there.

Speaking as someone over 35.

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[Chulanowa]

18. They just can't comprehend that it's okay to sometimes like the president

It's been eight long years, and lots of scar tissue adorns many a psyche. Lots of people still can't seem to realize that Bush is gone, for real and for true

[CTLawGuy]

22. I think it is a combination of

unrealistic expectations of a president's power and residual primary bitterness.

As to the first ingredient, some saw Bush's ability to ram conservative policies through a majority conservative congress and thus think that Obama can similarly shove liberal policies through a congress that is only about 40% liberal. Bush also was willing to do anything to get what he wanted no matter how distasteful and Obama is better than that.

As to the second ingredient, I think it's natural for people to want to prove themselves right about something. Given that the primary losers aren't accountable as president because they didn't win, it's easy for those who supported the losers to point out (exaggerate or even fabricate) the failures and missteps of the winner in order to justify their decision to support one of the losers.

In short, if you combine the ingredients, you get people who are willing to hold Obama to unrealistic expectations because it makes them look smarter for supporting a candidate who didn't win.

[saltpoint]

20. The person they have to render ineffective spoke to the 111th Congress

the other night and from where I stood Barack Obama carried the evening.

[Forkboy]

23. I have no use for either the constant complainers or the constant praisers of Obama.

[JNelson6563]

28. Invariably starting posts with

"I support Obama but...."

Yeah, mmm hmmm, sure they do.

Julie

[rug]

30. I dunno, can you teach a pig to whistle?

[SWr]

32. yep ... taught one to dance too once.

:D

[jonnyblitz]

38. I've seen several hardcore Obama fans turn on him here at DU.

I can't tell you if it was due to anti Obama Op-eds posted at DU though. :shrug:

[dionysus]

40. the hard cold fact is, it's the ppl that hated him since day one. what amazes me is that they

operate as if no one remembers the primaries.

my favorite threads are when they breathlessly declare that because of ______, they are pulling the support they ever had for him in the first place.

there's plenty of legitimate worry, but those posters\threads you talk about are so transparent, i wonder why they even bother.

[Fire1]

57. Agree and I wrote a similar sentiment a week or so ago and

it got 'deleted.' Go figure.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

69. If I had a nickel for everytime someone pulled their support, I'd have

at least a brazillian dollars by now. My favorite part is when they come back a week later and do it all over again...like no one will remember the 3 other times they quit.

[dionysus]

75. ah, the good 'ol GBCW threads!

:hi:

[Doctor_J]

42. Lots & lots of Limbeciles at DU

they seem to believe they can watch Fox News & listen to hate radio hour after hour, day after day & not be subject to the mental illness that grips the teabaggers. I have doubts on this

[CitizenPatriot]

44. I don't mind

thoughtful criticism, but I do mind parroting of right wing talking points and hysteria, which I see often enough. Furthermore, the naive assumption that just because we got our guy in there he can change everything overnight (8 months) is indicative of the sort of black and white thinking that doesn't merit serious consideration.

I wish this country didn't cater to corporate interests. Obama has made deliberate and good strides to change that, but he isn't going to be able to end it. It's simply not possible, as those interests are too entrenched in our entire system right now. I am hoping for a gradual shift back to the people that we can build upon over time.

Sometimes the Obama is Out To Get Us threads are worse here than they are at FR. Paranoia isn't the same thing as debate of the issues.

[Enrique]

45. are there posters that only post negative Obama articles?

maybe it just seems that way to you.

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[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

70. LOL! That's rich...

Well, ok it's 98.5% of time.

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[branders seine]

46. It seems pretty clear that some here have obdurate opinions.

Literally nothing could change the opinions of some here. Not truth, not reason, not evidence, nothing.

[Phx_Dem]

49. Some people are just pessimistic whiners who never see the good in anything.

I guess they can't help themselves.

[billh58]

54. I believe that

the "doom and gloomers" have lost sight of the fact that well-reasoned and constructive criticism has much more credibility than "HE LIED!" For all of our "bleeding heart" Liberalism, we Democrats still tend to eat our young, and fight over the scraps.

And then, there are the PUMA DINOs who will never get over the bitterness of the Primary Elections.

[paulk]

58. there are a lot of people here who go after the poster

and don't even read the article.

I wonder what it is they hope to accomplish.

I wonder what it is you hope to accomplish with this thread?

Do you think you are changing anyone's opinion?

There are important issues to discuss and we as Democrats, and especially as liberals and progressives, (which is who this board has always been aimed toward), need as many points of view as we can get to base our decisions on. I find the types who are engaged in shouting down all criticism of Obama (who you characterize as "The Posters That Only Post Negative Obama Articles & OP-Eds") far more onerous in the long run ...

[elana i am]

59. i'm suprised this thread hasn't been locked yet.

i will say this. past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior (duh!). in other words, if you don't want to get a repuation going for being a negative nellie, try changing it up once in a while.

anyway, it doesn't matter whose side you're on, if i notice a pattern of repetition in your posts i'm going to make an effort to avoid you. i don't feed trolls, i don't feed posthos, i don't feed propagandists.

attempts at propaganda, no matter which direction they come from, should be avoided. and avoidance is easy - all you have to do is click on something else.

[Aramchek]

63. some campaign wounds never heal

[georgian style]

64. We can find out by counting the pro and anti-Obama posts

Don't ask me though. I joined today :)

[Fading Captain]

66. Instead of being worried about Obama 2012

Let's worry about the issues of the people who elected him in 2008.
When he deals with those in Democratic fashion, 2012 is a done deal.

When he compromises those ideals away, we call him on it.

Obama isn't my King. He's the President. And he answers to us. Not the other way around.

[JimGinPA]

67. I'm More Than Satisfied With The Way Obama Is Dealing With The Issues I Care About...

That is not the subject of the OP however. Sorry if you're so easily distracted by colorful graphics...

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[AspenRose]

72. Oh, THIS thread's going to end well....

*sigh*

:popcorn:

and


IBTL

[GivePeaceAchance]

76. Exactly our boldest brightest way forward is with President Obama the smartest person in the room...

Just compare him to most of any Republicans at the address last week. I think that's 2012 in the bag demonstrated by itself.

[LooseWilly]

77. They changed my opinion...