Christian conservative leader invokes Bush while saying he'd gladly murder

[Jon8503]

Religious right leader and televangelist Jimmy Swaggart invoked George Bush's name today, and Bush's support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, while telling his parishioners that he'd gladly murder any gay man who looked at him the wrong way. I am so kidding you not. (You can see the video here, start watching around minute 36:30 - courtesy of Atrios, Jesus' General and Hairy Fish Nuts).

This little son of a bitch said he would kill a gay man and then lie about it, saying the guy just died on his own, and his parishioners roared with approval. Then he praised God George Bush was a president willing to stand up to the gays by supporting the constitutional amendment.

I'm sorry, but in today's day and age if you go on TV and tell millions of Americans that it's ok, and downright godly, to murder gay people, and you said it while invoking the name of the president, then I think we have a problem that the Justice Department needs to investigate, and at the very least, the president needs to distance himself from this nutjob who is invoking the president's name in the same breath with murder.

As an aside, you might remember that Jimmy Swaggart is the guy who got caught hooking up with a New Orleans hooker. If you don't remember one of these great moments in TV history, click here to see Swaggart admitting he's a SINNER, and read more about Swaggart's fornication here.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_09_12_americablog_archive.html#109553806956697295

[Hello_Kitty]

1. Gawd! That's horrible.

And so many people in this country agree with him! Why is he still even around anyway?

[cthrumatrix]

38. the media needs to play the crap out of this and expose the religious

right for what it is.

What would Jesus do?

[theshadow]

2. The last I saw of him...

... he was preaching from a storefront in a shopping center somewhere in the south. Has he climbed out of there?

[mhr]

3. This Is The Reason We Are Facing A Civil War In This Country

There is a cancer in our society and it is the fundamentalist Christian movement and their enablers, corporations and media.

The facts are there for all to see.

[yardwork]

18. I think it is the other way around. I agree it's a cancer.

I think that the corporations are in charge, and they are using hysteria to whip up a frenzy of support for their political enablers.

It's amazing how well fear of gays works to rally the troops. There are notable times of mass hysteria in human history, and I think we're entering another one.

It is no longer an exaggeration to compare the United States to pre-Nazi Germany. There are many legitimate parallels between what is happening now and what was happening there in the 1930s.

The inevitable result is defeat for the country that engages in the hysteria, and generations of shame.

[monobrau]

29. It's here - this is the cold war period

We've been at war; it was declared openly a long time ago, but the enemy exploits tolerance as a weakness. Liberals need to learn that the kind of hate and ignorance we are up against is dangerous, and it is to be not to be tolerated. I don't give a damn if these pigs want to hide behind the cross; I will not stand for their lies and thuggery, and should they seek to harm me or mine, I will strike them down and they will stay down.

[Pirate Smile]

4. It fits right in with the RNC flyer stating Kerry will ban the Bible and

have men marrying men.

I wish we could use this stuff to show the moderate repubs and indys just how wacko these guys really are now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Can't you just feel the love emanating from this fine Christian?

Who would Jesus kill?

[The Zanti Regent]

41. OOPS, Paul Crouch better watch out!

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2004/09/will-swaggart-kill-crouch.html

[Racenut20]

6. One of the Church of God disciples isn't he?

There are eleven of them. Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Foreman (in Fort Worth) Jimmy Baker.

The ruling council is in Springfield, Missouri. This is Ashcrofts Church.

Real GAWD FURRIN people.

[QC]

13. Falwell is Baptist.

Was independent for years but took his church into the Southern Baptist Convention a few years back. Quite a few Southern Baptists objected to that on the grounds that Falwell will probably try to take over the convention, given how he usually works.

[doni_georgia]

39. Asscroft is a member of Assembly of God, Swaggart was kicked out

of the Assemblies of God for his "incident" with the hooker. Pat Robertson was once a Baptist minister, but he now holds no demoninational affiliation. He is a proponent of Kingdon Now (theonomy). Jim Bakker also has no official affiliation with a denomination, although he has done some work with Rick Joyner of Morningstar ministries in North Carolina (Morning Star is big in the prophetic movement, and signs and wonders movement - no denomination). Jerry Falwell is an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist. Oral Roberts is a Word-Faith preacher and has no official denominational affiliation.

All these guys get lumped together, but in reality many of them disagree strongly on religious issues. Of course they are willing to drop the disagreements for political reasons.

[PsN2Wind]

7. Ol'Jimmy and the hooker

Sad case there. Just looked up her skirt while he was flogging his dummy.

[jmowreader]

47. Come on. Do you really believe that shit?

If you're a Respected and Loved Man of the Cloth who is violating the Seventh Commandment by renting a concubine, you're probably not going to commit the Sin of Onan. (You have read the Book of Onan, right? http://notthebible.8m.com/b4.htm)

[amber dog democrat]

8. Both the FCC and the FBI need to know about this.

This is a very dangerous and stupid thing for him to do.
i'd like this to get more attention,

Kick :kick:

[Shallah Kali]

27. This deserves more attention than janet jackson's breast!

Complaints should be filed with the FCC and letters written to elected officals. They were deluged with mail over jackson's breast. I hope we can do the same here for a truely serious incident.

[cyr330]

9. As a gay man and a San Francisco LIberal,

I'm ashamed to admit that I would like to see that motherfucker put up against a wall and shot by a firing squad. He's a vile, mean-spirited sack of shit who doesn't deserve to be called a human being.

[AndyTiedye]

25. Naw, Just Send Him to Prison (for inciting violence/murder)

They'll do more than just look at him the wrong way there.

[DeadHead67]

32. Wouldn't it be better to reward him with a nice secure room. . . . .

. . .in a federal facility, with a seven foot tall roommate that all the other 'penitents' laughingly refer to as 'Horse', and who likes to be on top. I think you might consider 'soap on a rope' dude!

[Jon8503]

10. I see where some of the comments on the link have written letters, one

wrote to Senator Fienstein. Did anyone watch the video at the link, really unbelievable.

[punpirate]

11. Well, anyone who's a big enough fool...

... to send money to a TV preacher is a big enough fool to vote for George W. Bush.

I don't think Jimmy Swaggart is going to change the demographics much. These people were rabid fundies well before George Bush arrived on the scene.

But, the essential point is well-taken. A TV personality with a very odd bunch of supporters who's advocating hate crime certainly falls into the category of pandering and incitement. But, don't expect Ashcroft to investigate any time soon.

Cheers.

[_NorCal_D_]

12. Sick

One can't help but ask: who would Jesus murder? :eyes:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Besides being fascist asshats,

a lot of these fundies clearly have some, er, *issues* relating to homosexuality. Otherwise, why would they spend so much time and energy constantly thinking about all that hot man-on-man action that other people are doing all the time and that they themselves, being Godly men, would never, ever even consider doing? Most of us don't worry much about what other folks are doing in the sack, and if somebody is totally obsessing about the sex lives of total strangers, well, that doesn't seem exactly normal or healthy, does it?

[cheshire]

15. He also evokes the name of God, These folks are out of control.

Get out the prozac or potassium cyanide.

[blueblitzkrieg]

16. Swaggart is a piece of shit!!! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. they first came for the Communist

Then for the socialist
Then for the Gays
Then for the Jews

When they came for me, nobody was around to protest.

[Kingshakabobo]

19. American Taliban n/t

[Contrary1]

20. He sure is dabbing

at his nose a lot. Maybe their mutual desire for an unnecessary constitutional amendment isn't the only thing that Swaggart and the Dim Son have in common???

**snort snort** :smoke:

[demwing]

21. People, I think we are on the verge of a great civil strife

perhaps a war.

Each side hates the other, and the sides are pretty evenly divided. The rhetoric escalates daily, and the current administration seems to encourage it.

I don't know if Kerry winning this thing can fix whats wrong with America. I think the infection needs to be cut out.

[Kinkistyle]

22. He basically sums up Bush supporters.

They are willing to kill and then lie about it. All for God.

A shining example of a Bush supporter.

[choicevoice]

23. I think Swaggart and his ilk will be the first ones in hell

if there is such a place. I used to have to drive by the Swaggart Ministries complex every day here in Baton Rouge. These people are beyond crazy they are dangerous. As a socially liberal, pro choice, non religious, gay loving, heterosexual woman living in sin with a younger man, so happy I could just pee my pants female, imagine my hell living in the Buckle of the Bible Belt with all of these freaks.

[Kimber Scott]

24. Is this legal? Isn't he inciting hate crimes?

In the name of God and George Bush? If there is a hell, I'm sure Mr. Swaggart will rot in it.

[Domitan]

26. If this hits the mainstream media

watch for Swaggert to be denounced at least in public. If Bush can put on a front of rebuking Boykin, I don't see why he would don his "compassionate conservative" costume here.

[Nomad559]

28. Kill a Gay Man - Video Clip

For those with a slow Internet connection, here Is the "kill a gay man" video clip.

Video Is 4.59 MB

Swaggart

[VOX]

48. Thanks, Nomad559.

Appreciate it.

[oasis]

30. Methinks that Jimmy doth protest too much.

;-)

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

31. Did he really say that?

My God.

[Eric J in MN]

36. yes, I watched the video with the link and he really said it (nt)

nt

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

44. You're right. I checked it myself,

and that;s what he said. What bothers me is that the congregation cheered him. Look, I'm a Christian, and regardless of one's views on homosexuality, to flippantly threaten to kill a gay person and lie to God and say he died, is outrageous. Swaggart has learned nothing at all.

[roguevalley]

33. He's a coward. He wouldn't be able to do anything that macho

without a mob backing him. Someone would pop him back and he'd
wet his pants. He's a stupid, posturing fruitcake.

[LittleClarkie]

34. The scrod

Hey Jimmy! You're not on such moral high ground buddy. We still remember your indiscretions, you bastard.

Damn money-mongering bastard giving Christians a bad name. People like Jimmy, Pat Robertson and Jim Baker used to have me convinced that I wasn't "Christian" enough somehow if I wasn't the exact kind of Christian as they.

Rather like not "bleeding" enough, isn't it.

I'm much better now.

A Liberal Lutheran am I. Don't like it, tough.

[Piperay]

35. "I have sinned"!!!

I'll never forget Swaggart hollering that with tears streaming down his face, looking skyward, arms in the air after his adultery became public. x( Another one of those 'moral' RW fundie hypocrites. :mad:

[snippy]

37. How very republican.

Every decent American who votes republican empowers the groups who condone and even champion this type of behavior. Those decent Americans delude themselves into believing that the Reich wing fundamentalists are powerless and harmless in an amusing and quaint sort of way when in fact the Reich wing fundamentalists are the heart and soul of the republican party and wield real power and near total control. It is the decent Americans who are powerless in the republican party. They need to be confronted with the fact that they empower hatred and bigotry with every vote they cast.

[Cats Against Frist]

40. Hot Damnation

This is sick. The fact that these kinds of people are GOP surrogates is the primary reason that I will NEVER STOP trying to take them down. This kind of religion is DANGEROUS, and like someone said, they can always try to hide behind this DELUSION as "religion." What they are is balls-out fucking crazy, and hey -- I respect their right to be completely delusional crank jobs -- BUT they try to carry this shit over to the political sphere, and it's time to whip out the big orange aluminum baseball bat of modernity.


What a way to start my morning.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

42. Jimmy Swaggart is an abomination!

What he said is just sickening. I can't stand him anyway, but this is horrible.

[Roland99]

43. wow...

The Christian Right
is an abomination

They are a blight
on this great nation

Shed the light
upon their detestation

They talk with might
of their indignation

We must fight
to stop the alienation

[spanone]

45. I'm so tired of these hypocritical homophobic 'preachers'.

Hell waits for them. This is the 'compassionate' side of conservatism that bush* coddles. He just loves that christian right. Tells us the make of the man.

[Zomby Woof]

46. doesn't he have a prostitute to visit?

Why does ANYBODY give this cocksucker ANY credibility? Fuck Swaggart and ALL televangelists. They are psychotic and dangerous.

Thank satan I am an atheist.

[karlrschneider]

49. Here's Scumbag Swag's email

[e-mail]

:grr:

[Octafish]

50. Homicidal Hypocrites for Bushler!

[Nimble_Idea]

51. Churches support the shrub, you can't deny politics with God

God chose Shrub, so you guys act like they don't echo this in church. We all already knew they do this.

and it's much worse in the ones that the TV can't catch. This is mild stuff here, doesn't shock me one bit.