To those who are so willing to give up if it is not exactly as you wish... well go ahead

[Peacetrain]

Let me know how it all works out for you.

[saracat]

1. In the end, it turns out it doesn't matter what we want anyway.

It isn't up to us at all.

[senseandsensibility]

2. Your post is just a snarky way of telling liberals

to shut up and take it. Let me know how THAT works out for you. We have right to be angry, to complain, and to state our views. We will continue to do so.

[Peacetrain]

4. Oh please... send that up someone elses firepole.. I have been listening

to that "I have a right to be angry and complain" SNARK since before the President took the oath. Apparently my right to complain is not as good as yours?

[senseandsensibility]

7. Complain away by all means

Your post is still just a snarky way to tell liberals to shut up and take it.

[Peacetrain]

9. Again..if you are willing to throw up you hands and quit..

Guess where what you will end up with..

[senseandsensibility]

13. Demonstrate where I said or implied anything about

quitting. I'm getting bored with this. Later. And you will be able to do everything EXCEPT point out any reference to quitting from me.

[Segami]

46. And what flagpole are you flying, the ' lemmings' flagpole? Everyone's opinion & expressions matter

to some degree. Suppressing people's opinions through mockery and labeling them as " SNARK " is more troubling to say the least.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Liberals? No.

[valerief]

Yes, we should compromise. I love paying high premiums and getting rejected when I file a claim.

That's a swell plan. Let's keep it.

:sarcasm:

[Peacetrain]

5. If you are a quitter.. then forget trying to talk to me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8590485

[WeDidIt]

3. "Don't let the barely acceptable be the enemy of the completely shitty"

I'm not eating a shit sandwich so a false victory can be declared.

[Peacetrain]

6. Throwing in the towel is your choice.. not mine..

[senseandsensibility]

8. Great comment

Funny, too.

[QC]

10. It's not shit--it's delicious chocolate fudge!

Don't be fooled by the foul odor and the flies, OK?

[Name removed]

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[nomaco-10]

12. Not me luv....

I'm in it for the long haul. The distant past of the previous last two admins, is not so distant to me. It all comes down to, who would have been the better nominee, hillary or Obama. I stand by Obama, but fully support hillary as SoS.

The rightwing media machine is trying to LYNCH a good and decent man that is the best thing to happen to this country since FDR. They're scared and that makes them dangerous.

I've see in Obama, a man that has tried his best to unite a divided country and got shit on by by both sides for his efforts.

Do I wish he was more left, hell yes. Do I understand his noble efforts to bring this fractured, divided country together, yes I do.

I'm now to the point, that he should give up on the moderate right and the blue dog dems and set his agenda knowing he will never get the full support he needs.

I have supported him since the early days of his campaign and still do.

[Peacetrain]

14. I am NOT giving up.. I am in for the long haul too!

:fistbump:

[bushisanidiot]

26. Omigosh! An actual DEMOCRAT on DU! Thank you for sticking

up for our President. He's a very smart man and he's only been in office 7.5 months. I am completely shocked that so many progressives wanna play hardball with him so quickly. They are doing nothing but feeding the repuke hate machine. None of them are coming over to our side as long as we bash him. We're doing the repuke jobs for them. It's insane!

[nomaco-10]

30. I just read your post and looked at your profile....

You've been here even longer than me. You must know the drill by now.

There are so many here that live for dems to be elected so that they can immediately start dragging them down and tearing them apart. I think it's referred to as "schadenfreude".

What's our alternative? McCain/Palin, Hillary or Obama. I'll take Obama every day of the week and twice on sundays.

Is he perfect? HELL NO, but he is a damn site better than the other alternatives.

[bushisanidiot]

32. You're exactly right.

These "democrats" are so quick to hold President Obama's feet to the fire on so many issues, that he's bound to alienate a lot of them just because you can't please everyone.. it's impossible. But, I guess they expect miracles out of the guy. Makes no sense to me.

I'm damned proud to have voted for our President and I LOVE waking up in the morning and remembering, "hey! We have a democrat in the white house and AWOL Bush and his dim-witted war-for-profit neo-con buddies are GONE!". Brings a big smile to my face every morning.

[Cha]

31. You have a lot of

Good Company. :patriot::patriot:

[nomaco-10]

37. Thank you cha....

You wouldn't know it, to come in here sporadically like I do.

What the hell has happened to this place? Is every progressive liberal under some kind of suspicion if they still support Obama now?

It's sad really. I don't blindly support all his policies, but I for damn sure support a DEMOCRATIC admin after eight years of rightwing fascism.


I guess we could have mcgramps and the batshit palin moron to fill everybody's day to post about.

[Cha]

40. It's still the usual suspects

and then some who swallow corporatemediawhoredom hook line and sinker. My 'tude is.."this too shall pass" and I got Obama-Biden's back. So it's nice to see you again.:patriot::fistbump::patriot:

[rug]

15. You're right. I shouldn't hold out for universal Medicare when a five year trigger is so enticing.

[nomaco-10]

16. What do you want him to do!!!!!!

He's been in office for EIGHT months and you expect him to negate all the bullshit from the last EIGHT YEARS?

Give the man a chance.

[rug]

25. How about five years? That ok?

[nomaco-10]

27. No, Mr. Gloom and Doomer.....

How bout two years? How 'bout we get past the hatchet job FUX news and rightwing detractors that support tea bagging, birthers and those spreading the fear of oooooohhhhh dreaded socialism.

It's been an uphill climb for dems. Who knew that Obama would be depicted as the next anti-christ and portrayed as the "usurper" that is trying to single handedly overthrow white amerikkkka.

Why don't you try to support him instead of trying to undermine him at every turn?

[bushisanidiot]

33. Actually, he's been in office 7.5 months.

surely, he could fix all of the country's woes in that amount of time. It's a snap! Anyone could do it!

[suzie]

48. Wait, Democrats have been trying to fix health care for 60 years now?

And Obama can't get it down in 7.5 months? How dare any of us stand up for him? :sarcasm:

[MuseRider]

18. Miss the point much?

Maybe it is twist the point much?

I am totally bewildered by this frequent attitude here. So we don't agree with you? Get over it. Say what you want but don't expect people who disagree with you to take it. It would be helpful if your responses had something to actually do with the topic rather than little snarks that miss the point entirely.

[Peacetrain]

20. If you are not throwing in the towel.. then the op has nothing to do with you

I am NOT giving up on Health Care..

[MuseRider]

21. I am not giving up on health care

but have given up on any chance of it being meaningful or for Obama or the Dems to do anything to make it meaningful. Should I just hope for Palin next election?

[Prism]

19. Enough already

No matter how many times this meme gets repeated, President Obama is not the entire country, not the entire policy, not the be all and end all of our process.

I fought for health care reform yesterday, I am fighting for it today, I will fight for it tomorrow. And if this administration and Congress drop the public option, I may certainly be done with them. But I will not "give up" on health care reform. I will simply find other avenues to press this issue.

Frankly, the Bourbonism is getting really tiresome and is now actively interfering with pushing policy in the right direction. Every single time the Left makes any demand at all, here come the same people who think Obama Is The State, telling everyone to sit down, shut up, stop giving up, stop being so mean, stop all that hatin', stop stop stop.

Then, when that doesn't work, it's "Why aren't you working hard enough for reform?!"

I care about people not going bankrupt when they get sick - like what happened to my parents. That's what concerns me now, that's why I'm spending time and money on this issue.

I do not give a flying, squirrely fuck what anyone anywhere thinks of President Obama. He is about eighteenth on my "List of things I need to work myself up over every single day."

Why don't you understand that and either help us pressure the politicians into doing the right thing or at least have the human decency to get the fuck out of our way as we try to help millions of Americans whose lives are far more important than one politician's approval numbers.

Jesus H. Seriously whacked out priorities around here.

[MuseRider]

22. !

:applause: Take a bow. Exactly what I meant to say but do not have the patience when I get pissed to say it that well.

[jannyk]

24. +++++100!! Well said!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[LooseWilly]

35. Cheers Prism.

Funny how some aren't capable of separating Health Care Reform from Obama... a mindset that's so shallow that it perceives giving up on Obama doing what one sees as the right thing for meaningful Health Care Reform as somehow being synonymous with giving up on the meaningful Health Care Reform itself... as if Obama were somehow the embodiment of Health Care Reform, rather than an agent thereof.

:toast:

Ohh, the repetitive horror...

[paulk]

45. well said

[asdjrocky]

23. We've given up so much all ready.

What else are we supposed to surrender? Remember single payer? Now public option is up in the air, we're hearing words like co-ops and exchanges.

Give me a break. What is the point of this post?

[nomaco-10]

28. It's about 8 months vs. 8 years!!!!!.......

Good Grief.

Give the man a fair chance.

Take a lesson from him. He tried to give his detractors a fair chance early on. Now give him one!

[bushisanidiot]

34. 7.5 months actually.

Plenty of time to fix everything AWOL Bush screwed up.
How hard could it be, afterall? Anyone could do it.
Why would anyone need an entire YEAR to clean up this mess?

[nomaco-10]

38. No shit. Some of the rhetoric is mindboggling. n/t

[LooseWilly]

39. What the hell does 8 months or 8 years have to do with saying "I will fight for the public option"?

That's what people are demanding now. Not that Obama magically make our health problems go away, not that he magically transport Cheney into Leavenworth today, not that he magically renovate New Orleans, not any of the scores of other things W fucked up in 8 years.

None of that is at issue right now.

None of it.

You are either being disingenuous or shockingly shallow in your analysis to think any different... or to try to assert any different.

Obama campaigned on the idea of a public option as a "compromise" between a Single Payer and the current dysfunctional system. All anyone is saying is... "Please, Mr. President, fight for that fucking public option you spoke about in your campaign."

Is that so difficult of a concept to grasp??

If he won't fight for the moderate policies that he campaigned for, despite the public support... unless some Republicans will say it's ok... then why the fuck does it matter if the Democrats have majorities?

It's not about the D/R... it's about the policies.

It shouldn't take Obama 8 years to say "I support and will fight for a public option". Just say it, that's all we ask... Then he can say it again tomorrow... and then maybe some more in the Senate will say it...

[nomaco-10]

41. I'm with you..... sort of.............

There is strong, well funded and organized opposition against his policies and against him personally. Has he stepped up to the plate like I would have wished? NO! Will he hammer out something in the next TWO years, not EIGHT, which you suggest, I don't have a fuk'n crystal ball. I choose to be hopeful.

I've spent the last eight years being frustrated and pissed off about the direction this country is headed in and I'm just trying to hold on to something, anything to latch on to at this point.

Your anger is misdirected at your fellow dems. If you want to be pissed off, aim it at FUX news, glen beck, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, and most any other cable network news station and rw publication, including internet sites that continue to disseminate lies and propaganda.

How 'bout aiming your frustration and anger at the baptist minister in Tempe Az that prays for Obama's death daily, the nutcases that arm themselves and spread vicious lies and hate spew at Town Hall Meetings all across the country? The nutty parents that want to squelch our duly elected president from speaking to the youth of this country to give positive re-enforcement to stay in school and make something of themselves.

Get angry, but direct that anger where it belongs.

[LooseWilly]

43. You misunderstand...

I have been angry with all the miscreants you mention for as long as I can remember. I even subjected myself to listening to Rush Limbaugh in order to pick apart his horseshit for a girlfriend I once had who was a believer...

I have enough anger for all the miscreant asshats you mention... and over the years I've also cultivated enough for the Dems who would cave rather than fight... the ones who've come to believe that they need to move more to the right, be more like Repubs, in order to win elections. Like the ones that apparently advised Gore. Like the ones who are willing to take this monumental Dem majority and use it to... negotiate terms with Olympia Snowe... and finally accept whatever terms at least one Repub will accept???

I let it slide with the stimulus... because more can always be passed (theoretically). I assume I wasn't alone in that thought, and I know many couldn't help but hear sense in the words of Krugman on the subject.

But once healthcare is done... it's done. If it's Dems fucking up the prospect for the public option (which I always considered to be a de facto compromise from Single Payer)... then I have enough anger to spare for those Dems.

If Obama does not walk away from the public option. If Obama stands firm.... then good on him!

If he waffles and takes Rahm's advice and goes the way of the triggers... I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that the Progressives burn this bill to the ground.

That's all I'm saying. :)

[nomaco-10]

44. I really hated the pick of rahm at the time, and still do....

I thought Howard Dean would have been the much better pick, but hell, that's all blood under the bridge now.

I get it. I agree with you. I'm still optimistic enough to think that Obama will come out with guns blazing this week and start kicking some ass. I hope I'm right, but if he doesn't, I'm to the point, if he doesn't realize he's never gonna get any progressive legislation passed until he knocks some heads, I'm gonna bail. NOT ON THE DEM PARTY, NEVER, but, I will be less enthused about his presidency, and will start looking forward to working my ass off for the next VIABLE candidate in 2012, whoever the hell that might be.

I, myself like Russ Feingold, but the rw media will rip him to shreds too, but I don't think he'd lay down for them like this admin has done so far.

I'm still in a wait and see mode, but time is running out as far as I'm concerned. I'm gonna remain positive for now, but my patience is wearing thin.

[freddie mertz]

29. Love it or leave it, eh?

Leave your brain and your conscience at the door.

Dear Leader has everything under control.

[LooseWilly]

36. Define "it".

And please be more specific on what exactly you are asserting that "those" are "willing to give up".

Else I will be forced to assume that you are referring to my repeated attempts to cook ratatouille... which I have indeed become "willing to give up" on, because "it is not exactly as {I} wish"...

Why do you hate ratatouille Peacetrain? What has it ever done to you? And, praytell, are you willing to teach the rest of us how to cook ratatouille?, as you obviously know so much on the subject?

[Holly_Hobby]

42. I gave up when I saw Kennedy's head blown off n/t

[nomaco-10]

47. What a defeatist remark. Most of us either remember....

that dreaded day in Dallas and then the subsequent shocking event at the Ambassador Hotel in 1968. Most of us have either witnessed these two events on live tv, or seen the footages of both historical events about four million times. It didn't defeat me, it just made my resolve even stronger.

If you're talking about JFK, that was 46 years ago, and Bobby's assassination was 41 years ago. That's TWO generations ago! We need to lead by example and keep these two great statesman's memories alive, not give up and allow their deaths be in vein.