Show A.G. Holder your appreciation for appointing a special prosecutor

[HopeOverFear]

For weeks and weeks, this place yelled and screamed and called Obama a "war criminal" because we thought a special prosecutor wasn't going to be appointed. With the news that Holder has done what we wanted, there's been nary a peep around here.

So I encourage you to send Holder a note, an email, a phone call, telling him thank you for appointing a special prosecutor:

BY MAIL:

Correspondence to the Department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

BY E-MAIL:

[e-mail]



BY PHONE:

Office of the Attorney General - 202-353-1555

[kenny blankenship]

1. I talk to him through my lawyers,

-the ACLU.

You want to thank somebody for getting us this far into a torture investigation - thank THEM.

[Cha]

3. They can't do it alone

..and good keep giving them money.

[invictus]

4. +1

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. I'm a big ACLU fan, but can't you give credit where it's due?

They sure as hell didn't FORCE this to happen. If they had that much power, they'd have used it during the Bush years, no?

[Cha]

2. Thank you, HopeOverFear...That's a great idea..

The ones who yell the loudest are the most quiet when the time is right and something that was going to happen all along comes to fruition.

[katandmoon]

5. Thank him for doing the absolute barest minimum REQUIRED by his job? That his

statement made clear he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing -- and that he's still only doing because the evidence of Bush II administration law breaking is so overwhelming and egregious that even the Bush III administration can't quite manage to ignore it?

No. I'll thank Holder if and when the investigation has concluded and it actually amounts to anything a whole lot more than stringing up a few CIA operatives who followed instructions a little too enthusiastically.

[Atticus]

22. My sentiments, EXACTLY! nt

[slipslidingaway]

6. ACLU statement - link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8610026&mesg_id=8610026

"...Attorney General Holder said his decision to appoint a special prosecutor was in part influenced by the contents of a CIA inspector general report made public today as part of an American Civil Liberties Union Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The IG report provides a detailed description of torture and abuse of detainees and addresses the legality and effectiveness of the agency's "enhanced interrogation" program.

"While this is a welcome first step, we are disappointed that Attorney General Holder still appears unwilling to conduct a full investigation and to prosecute any crimes that are uncovered. A preliminary investigation absent a commitment to prosecute violations of the law is simply anemic. How much evidence of wrongdoing and violations of law is necessary before the attorney general commits to launching a full investigation?" said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. "The CIA's own inspector general documented in disturbing detail the level of the torture committed and the extent to which laws were broken. Attorney General Holder's decision not to launch a full investigation is deeply troubling given the evidence already in the public domain of crimes that were committed. Any investigation that truly follows the facts where they lead would inevitably lead to prosecutions of high level officials – not just rogue agents in the field. This issue will not go away by deferring the hard decisions."

[FrenchieCat]

7. Folks ain't gonna be happy with anything that this WH does,

cause as far as they are concerned, they could have always done more.

These folks don't really care about much other than being perpetually unhappy,
and aren't about to give any dues to anyone doing anything anytime soon.

In fact, many are almost disappointed that Holder is doing exactly what they
were screaming that he does just a couple of months ago. Now that he is doing it,
not big deal, they say.

These are the kind of folks that only want their cake and to eat it too.
They want, they want, they want.....
but worse about them is that they cannot ever wait.
They want it, and they want it NOW!

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Some "foks" think actual crimes were committed by actual elected officials and want actual .....

.... investigations ..... not bare minimum bullshit.

Read the brief assigned to Durham ...... bare minimum/narrow.

Sorry, this is not enough.

And btw ..... I am a perpetually happy person. And to your chagrin, happy Obama won. Remember me saying I was for him? I know you do. It was shortly after the pink tutu shit. I KNOW you remember that.

Being unhappy with a person's actions is not mutually exclusive to liking him and being glad he's there. So can the broad brush.

[HopeOverFear]

17. You just proved Frenchies point lol

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Only a cultist could see it that way

[HopeOverFear]

20. Lol whatever. You're one the main ones who were bitching

And now Holders doing something, it's still not enough for you. :eyes:
You're dismissed.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. No, actually, it isn't enough for me.

For actual reasons.

You're dismissed because you have no clue apart from hero worship and standing up for him just like the right wingers stood up for Bush. Not much difference, really.

:sniff:

[Atticus]

23. Well said! nt

[Stinky The Clown]

26. So you're okay with Bush getting a pass so long as Obama doesn't get criticized?

You got a bad case of it, pallie.

[Atticus]

27. Stinky, read it again.

Been away from the Board for a couple of hours. Returned to find this post. My "Well said" was a response to YOUR post #10. I AGREE with you!

See my post # 24.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. :plonk:

I'm a dummy.

I tend to incite more thn my share of opposition. Sometimes I just knee jerk, Sometimes I'm just a jerk.

[grantcart]

14. fact based, non political, non partisan -- the only way to conduct this prosecution

Start at the bottom and with the most aggregious offenses and go up the chain.


What people are missing is that Holder is somebody that is listening to career prosecutors more than he listens to the President - and that is the way it should be.


If the prosecutors develop strong evidence up the chain - Holder will follow it. It won't be for political reasons but simply because a crime was committed and they followed the evidence.

[Atticus]

24. Stereotype much?

"These folks" don't really care---
"These are the kind of folks" that only want---

Are you channeling David Frum or just spending too much time browsing at FreeRepublic? You said nothing that was responsive to Stinky's post but just got snotty from the git-go. That's unproductive and uncalled for.

[BlueMTexpat]

28. I firmly believe that even the most cursory examination of the

evidence by a credible Special Prosecutor will lead Holder to the conclusion, reluctantly or not, that he must do more than the barest minimum.
If he does not, the evidence that is available will certainly permit suits against the principals (especially Darth et al) before the International Criminal Court. The US could be considered a pariah nation if it refuses to recognize that jurisdiction or to turn over those who are indicted.
But such a happening would bring deep shame and, at the least, great embarrassment that we, who preach the Rule of Law to the rest of the world cannot hold our own citizens to the same standards that we hold others. It is much better if we prosecute them ourselves.

I do believe that day will come ... in due course. Either we are a nation that pays more than lip service to the Rule of Law or we are not. That's all there is to it.

Right now, so long as the wheels of justice have actually been put into motion, WE should concentrate on helping to get meaningful health care reform enacted, IMO. Those wheels of justice turn slowly enough that we'll have time to monitor them more thoroughly after health care reform. And yes, I would myself have liked more meaningful actions now, but I still don't believe that it would hurt to throw AG Holder a carrot or two, de minimis effort or not. He's going to get enough sticks from the Right. It's time for us to show him that WE have HIS back.

[keepthemhonest]

8. oh geez alright ,since the prez can't pat him on the

back I guess we'll have to.

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. I'll be happy to show some appreciation

..as soon as some of those goddamn Bush Crime Family thugs actually go to prison. Let's hope this is for real and not another whitewash in the tradition of the Warren Commission and the 9-11 joke.

[GOTV]

11. Was it a "special" prosecutor?

I thought they were careful to just say "prosecutor" and not "special prosecutor" with the difference being that a special prosecutor could go wherever the evidence was leading him while this prosecutor is running on rails and has a very narrowly defined scope.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. I unreced your thread. It is still on the greatest page, but I don't think it worthy

Since when do we thank someone for doing LESS than their job?

Holder did not name a special prosecutor. He expanded - by the smallest of increments - the purview of a BUSH (Mukasey, to be accurate) appointee to investigate the actions of operatives under the Bush gang. And the expansion of scope is so narrow as to be laughable.

Actual crimes were committed and actal criminals are getting away with it. It is VERY likely that AT LEAST a former US Vice President - if not a President, too - are among the criminals.

If you wish to cheer about Holder's having been pretty much FORCED by evidence to throw our side a bone, have at it.

I will eat your underwear and mine on live teevee if this nets anything more than the CIA version of Lynndie England.

[slipslidingaway]

13. I gave it a rec only to try and call attention to the ACLU statement/

link in GDP that is being unrecommended.

:silly:

[HopeOverFear]

15. Wow. Just wow.

*smh*

[slipslidingaway]

16. Not much movement in the semiconductor holders - SMH n/t

[SunsetDreams]

21. K&R!!!

Just heard the fireworks on the news