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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:41 AM
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Obama uses weekly address to debunk lies - yet again (updated)
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Obama uses weekly address to debunk lies - yet again

by SusanG

So today, I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country.

You'd think he'd have wearied of it by now, but President Barack Obama was back on the circuit of fact-checking health care reform information this morning, shooting down the lies of the righ--and the health insurance industry--in his weekly address.

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In a few short seconds, he took down three of the mainstay lies:

Let’s start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That’s not true. Illegal immigrants would not be covered. That idea has never even been on the table. Some are also saying that coverage for abortions would be mandated under reform. Also false. When it comes to the current ban on using tax dollars for abortions, nothing will change under reform. And as every credible person who has looked into it has said, there are no so-called "death panels" – an offensive notion to me and to the American people. These are phony claims meant to divide us.

And, for what must be the 300th time, he reiterated that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor; if you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance. And by the way, take a deep breath -- "government-run health care" is not on the table. But something called the "public option" is, and it's not all that scary, folks:

Now, the source of a lot of these fears about government-run health care is confusion over what’s called the public option. This is one idea among many to provide more competition and choice, especially in the many places around the country where just one insurer thoroughly dominates the marketplace. This alternative would have to operate as any other insurer, on the basis of the premiums it collects. And let me repeat – it would be just an option; those who prefer their private insurer would be under no obligation to shift to a public plan.

The insurance companies and their allies don’t like this idea, or any that would promote greater competition. I get that. And I expect there will be a lot of discussion about it when Congress returns.

And in stark, simple terms he reiterated the other planks of his proposal:

We’ll prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage because of a person’s medical history. They will not be able to drop your coverage if you get sick. They will not be able to water down your coverage when you need it most. They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We’ll place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because no one in America should go broke because they get sick.

And he closes with one of the strongest leadership commands he's issued to date, challenging each of us to rise to this, our historical moment, calling on the better angels of our nature, in this critical time:

This is our chance to march forward. I cannot promise you that the reforms we seek will be perfect or make a difference overnight. But I can promise you this: if we pass health insurance reform, we will look back many years from now and say, this was the moment we summoned what’s best in each of us to make life better for all of us. This was the moment when we built a health care system worthy of the nation and the people we love. This was the moment we earned our place alongside the greatest generations. And that is what our generation of Americans is called to do right now.

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President Obama Debunks "Phony Claims" about Health Reform; Emphasizes Consumer Protections

WASHINGTON – In his weekly address, President Obama set the record straight on some of the most pervasive myths about health insurance reform. He addressed a range of "outrageous myths" including that illegal immigrants will be covered, that abortions will be funded by taxpayer dollars, that so-called "death panels" will be formed to decide who receives treatment, and that reform will lead to a government takeover of health care. In addition, the President reiterated that a public option would be just that – an option, not a requirement, for consumers - and would help introduce choice and competition to the health care market, while reminding American’s that it is only one component of health reform. The proposed reforms will also provide Americans unprecedented security and stability by prohibiting insurance companies from refusing or dropping coverage due to medical history, capping out-of-pocket expenses, and banning caps on coverage, among other consumer protections.

The full audio of the address is HERE. The video can be viewed online at www.whitehouse.gov.

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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:53 AM
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1. He can attempt to explain things to the morons, but he is wasting his time. They do not understand
facts or know how to respond to anything that goes against the simple, three-word catch-phrases that they are fed by the media and the pukes (same thing, I know).

To actually have an impact, he really has to dumb his message down to a 2nd or 3rd grade level.

And simplify it, for Christ's sake. That is where single-payer would have been an easier sell, if only because it would have been easier for Idiot Amerika to grasp.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:59 AM
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2. "he really has to dumb his message down to a 2nd or 3rd grade level. "
Seriously, he doesn't. People that moronic are the ones screaming at town halls. Screw them.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:06 AM
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3. I would like to believe that
However the constant refrain here lately that obama has taken the public option off the table, sort of contradicts that.

Hell the last three days this place has been full of posts about Hoyer saying the public option had to go despite the fact that the only place that was said was in the headline of the article. Hoyer himself didnt say any such thing.

People are easily manipulated one need only read this forum to see it every day,
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:09 AM
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4. "constant refrain here...that obama has taken the public option off the table...contradicts that" No
they're not morons, they've got an agenda. Most of these people want Obama to fail and/or are bitter.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:33 AM
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8. I dont know
There are certainly several here with an agenda that post misleading or negative articles constantly but the Hoyer example stands. The headline was posted and plenty of people bought into it. Same with the sebilous statement, she goes a little off message and still today we hear that Obama has taken the public option off the table despite the admin coming out the next day and denying that over and over.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:38 AM
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9. "The headline was posted and plenty of people bought into it."
They have an agenda. I refuse to believe they are morons. Hoyer must be proven to be a mealy mouthed Democrat. I posted the rest of Hoyer's comments and they ignored them. Another thing, the claim is that Obama needs to dumb it down. Hoyer is an example of why it does no good, some people are going to believe what they want, even in the face of facts, regardless of what Obama or anyone else says.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:43 AM
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10. I never said they were morons
That was a poster above me. I said they are easily manipulated. I do agree though that people believe what they want to believe despite evidence showing their beliefs to be wrong.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:17 AM
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5. People "that moronic" are getting all the press and give cover to all (Rs & Ds) who want
to scuttle any meaningful reform.

Just imagine the impact of a similar (or larger) number of "appealing television images" (meaning nice, white old people) crowding these town halls, demanding that their children and grandchildren get the same kind of care that they receive (from medicare). Compelling, "must-see" TV.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:44 AM
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11. I don't buy it. There is no need to out moron the morons.
There is still strong support for a public option.

Don't forget, Obama went up against these same morons during the election, and crushed McCain by 10 million votes.

There are a lot of stupid people, but not all people are stupid.



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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:20 AM
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6. kick and recommended
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:23 AM
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7. The guy who gave the Repub. response lied again and said "experts say" millions of people would be
forced to leave their doctors/insurance plan for a govt. plan. Of course, no experts were named, and you can bet if they were ASKED which "experts" said that, they'd name the "Lewin Group." :eyes:
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:08 AM
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12. I just wish he'd stop using euphemisms.
Obama calls them "myths" and "misinformation".

They are LIES, and he should call them what they are. All the Dems should make it very plain that the Rethugs are spreading LIES to scare people away from reform... because if the people were given the truth of what is actually being proposed, they'd all be for it.
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