Step Back...On CNN now.. Obama is backing Public Option

[Peacetrain]

I told you so... Blue America is winning

Edit and a big thank you to PopSixSquish for link from NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repub...

[angee_is_mad]

1. thx

had to turn the tv off. Was starting to get sick and tired of being sick and tired.

[Peacetrain]

2. Happy camper here.. the gloves are coming off

51 will go it..

[Kablooie]

52. God I hope so. He has to totally slam the Repugs if anything is to get done.

Otherwise he is just a Republican puppet like all the others.

[Bluerthanblue]

3. Yes!

:hi:

[Peacetrain]

5. I knew it.. He said last month.. he would not vote for a bill without the PO

Now we will see what the committees will bring forth..we do not have a bill yet..but apparently, we are going without the repubs


:toast:

[Raine1967]

4. ALSO: Sources Say Dems are going to HCR

WITHOUT Repub Support.

I Just turned it on and that was the Breaking news.

[Peacetrain]

7. Take that right wing...

[Cha]

6. What he's been saying all along

and I took him at his word like Rep Jan Schakowsky.:)

[Peacetrain]

9. Cha.. now we will see what bills the congress are going to bring forth

We knew, we knew :fistbump:

[Cha]

12. Yeah, I got his

number:fistbump:

[Parker CA]

27. Some of us still believe him when he says he'll do things, Cha!! ;) Oh how sweet this one will be.

[tridim]

8. This is breaking news I can believe in!

Regress GOP. Stay out of our fucking way.

[Peacetrain]

11. So glad to see this...I knew it was coming, but I thought it would

be another two weeks.. woo hoo

[jesus_of_suburbia]

10. Can I be crude? FUCK YES! THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!

THAT is the leadership I was hoping for!

[Peacetrain]

13. You can say anything you want Jesus..

The pie is on me.. so is the coffee

[jesus_of_suburbia]

20. I'll bake a pie....

You can make (or buy) the coffee.

:-)

[Peacetrain]

30. Its a deal!

:hug:

[Cleita]

14. Yes, the rhetoric is changing.

Keep up the pressure, the letters, the emails, the phone calls and the faxes. Also, it doesn't hurt that the progressive Dems have finally grown a spine and have said they won't sign a House bill without a strong public option. I still don't know what we are going to do about the Senate and the Finance Committee, who have the power to fuck things up.

[Peacetrain]

15. Obama said last month he would not sign a bill without the PO

This is great.. it may be all of 51.. but so what.. maybe a couple of republicans will even sign on.. but WHO cares :)

[Cleita]

16. If you were watching KO and Rachel tonight, he waffled over the weekend,

but I guess the up lash from all of us put him back on track yesterday and today. They actually played the sound bites of what was said, so there was no doubt that he and his administration were ready to leave it behind until they got the message.

[Peacetrain]

23. No he did not waffle.. seriously he did not

He said that the PO was a sliver, a portion of the bill.. the bill will be much bigger than PO, it will be insurance reform, including stopping ins, companies from using preexisting conditions with their corporate death panels.

There really were death panels Cleita, the corporate kind. Obama has been pushing insurance reform since his own Mother had to fight through it when she had ovarian cancer.

It is just the way Obama addresses issues. He always does it that way, and people have been pulling their hair out by its roots about the way Obama addresses issues from day one. His halting speech when he thinks through something before commenting on it, to the educational tone.

But he was always for PO. always.

The fact that the press, falls apart at the seams with him over this, is nothing new.. and they will do it again at the next issue.

:pals:

[Cleita]

26. I'm sorry he was going to sign whatever came across his desk because

he felt that was what was wanted. I think he's rethinking that. I'm hoping he realizes now that elected officials aren't always working for their constituents best interests but only throwing a few bones at them to get votes and throwing them under the bus when they are no longer needed. Anyway, things are looking better.

[vaberella]

42. You think he's rethinking. Obama has stood his ground for ages.

However, I've seen you underestimating him quite a bit. However, Obama is not a man who doesn't stand by his word. And if his word slightly changes he explains it to the American people. He even plans on still releasing the picturs he held back.

As for your statement on elected officials. Obama clearly understands that very well and hence the reason he's always stood by the Public Option and NOT HR 676 (Single-Payer System) as a candidate or as Preisdent.

Things have always looked better. Progressives who live on the words of others and not the Presidents---well that's something else. So when they go butt as crazy over op-eds and what not that's their own perogative. But nothing ever said by the President (and him alone) during this whole thing started the drama. He's definitely not about it, but most everyone seems to thrive on drama.

[Cleita]

44. You do know that Medicare for all and HR676 are the same thing?

Also, any public option that is workable would have to be close to that. You do know that? What he has not been clear about is what shape the public option will take that is acceptable to him.

[vaberella]

48. ~sigh~ I'm fully aware what HR 676 is.

The economic framework for the PO is very different. This is common knowledge, secondly it's on a far smaller scale considering private insurance companies would be around.

If you claim to say that the public option would be close to an expansion of medicare....then why does it seem as though the President hasn't been clear on the PO? It would be easy enough to assume it would match the same sort of benefits. He has publicly stated that the PO should provide basic health care:

•Doctor and hospital care, including preventive care
•Emergency services
•Prescription drugs

Only thing missing is really dental and that's always overlooked.

[mkultra]

64. sure, but to be public option, it must be optional

unlike 676

[Cleita]

67. Not so. They can put Medicare out there as an option for people to choose.

I mention HR 676 because it fixes the problems Medicare has today like the holes shot into it by various Republican Congresses and administrations, but HR 676 is just Medicare for All. It could be refashioned to be part of the insurance exchange they keep talking about.

[mkultra]

73. HR 676 does not allow the exitence of private insurance

Meaning that there will be no "option" for those who think that they want to keep their current insurance.


Prohibits an institution from participating unless it is a public or nonprofit institution. Allows nonprofit health maintenance organizations (HMOs) that deliver care in their own facilities to participate. Private insurance would be replaced via the Medicare expansion.
Prohibits a private health insurer from selling health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act. Allows such insurers to sell benefits that are not medically necessary, such as cosmetic surgery benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act

HR676 is medicare for all which is good, but its not optional, which makes it a political nightmare.

[Cleita]

74. HR 676 hasn't even been debated yet. So the final version can contain

those changes. Of course, it could be a separate bill modeled on HR 676 or Medicare for all but with language that makes it an option competing with other kinds of health care coverage. It's just a bill a lot of us like and we want the public options to be close to it.

[mkultra]

75. sounds good to me.

[dflprincess]

37. I'm not celebrating until I see what the public "option" is

if it's like the one in HR3200, it will be far too corporate friendly and not cover anyone before 2013. That will give the for profits plenty of time to continue jacking up their rates until the hammer comes down and it will do nothing to help the uninsured. There are people who need health care now, not health insurance four years from now.

If he finally woke up and realized "bipartisanship" won't work maybe he'll also figure out that he needs to do more than throw a bone in the general direction of those who are looking for real reform. A public option that doesn't at least begin to set the stage for single payer but only protects the status quo is useless.

[GreenPartyVoter]

68. I hear that!

[road2000]

69. Or 50 and Biden votes tiebreaker. n/t

[MarjorieG]

46. Almost wonder if Baucus effort was to marginalize GOP all along. Senate Finance has majority Dems

who favor public option.

[jenmito]

17. I bet it leaked out tonight to see how each group reacts tomorrow (the libs., the blue dogs, and the

repubs.). This will definitely change the momentum for the better.

[RagAss]

21. Yes, the cretins will wake up to a nightmare.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

22. Which means we need to make sure we support the President BIG TIME.

Calling in to radio shows and such.

[Peacetrain]

24. No doubt.. no doubt..

[PopSixSquish]

18. LINK to NY Times Article!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

Keep the pressure on folks, we're almost there...

[Peacetrain]

25. Thank you for the link!!!!

[jenmito]

29. You should add it to your OP

[Peacetrain]

35. I just did that..

:thumbsup:

[jenmito]

36. Good.

:thumbsup:

[NYC_SKP]

40. Didn't work, try again?

Needs to finish off this way:

2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=2&hp

Your link seems to be missing the bits after "19repubs"

Copy, edit and past into your link.

:hi:

[Colobo]

19. That's what I wanna hear!!!

[JNelson6563]

28. My President.

Masterful timing, as usual. :patriot: :toast:

Julie

[Parker CA]

31. Obama isn't about to be played by these asshat repukelicans. No way. No how. Here comes the hammer!

[Mermaid7]

32. I Never Swear

But

FUCKING EH!~

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[Kingofalldems]

34. Fox loving repub disruptors super upset about this one

[NYC_SKP]

38. YAAAAAAAYYYY!!!

We knew it, didn't we?

:grouphug:

:applause:

[Peacetrain]

39. Yes we did...yep yep yep

:yourock:

[vaberella]

43. What's going on Peacetrain or NYC_Skip----link doen't work for me. Oy...

n/t

[vaberella]

41. The link doesn't work for me....n/t

[Clio the Leo]

45. Here......

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

But I still dont see that it's addressed what the OP is talking about.

[vaberella]

50. Ah I read that..I thought it was another article.

Maybe the OP knows something we haven't heard. Or maybe s/he wants to change the theme of the thread.

[TankLV]

47. "I'm never said I'm for the Public Option"

"The Public Option is Off the Table"

"I'll do what ever the Congress wants"

"I wish it wouldn't rain this weekend"

"He loves me" "He loves me not" "He loves me" "He loves me not" ...

wait - let me stick my finger in the air...

jeesusfuckingchrist...

could this be any BIGGER CLUSTER FUCK?!!!

well, at least we got "change" - fucking Obama changes his mind every few seconds now...!!!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

51. When did Obama say "The Public Option is Off the Table"?

[democracy1st]

53. the reason for that is when you take from both sides and try to represent both sides

you sound confused,stupid and weak

[NoSheep]

61. "fucking Obama"?

Could you provide some links to those quotes?

[SIMPLYB1980]

63. Liar.nt

[Baltoman991]

65. I would figure

that if you're going to say the President constantly changes his mind you'd at least have factual information.

He never said he didn't want the public option and he never said it was off the table. But you knew that right?

I guess making things up works for you though.

[Better Believe It]

49. I found: "For the second time in two days, Mr.Obama did not mention health care on Tuesday"

Do you have a CNN link for your caption?


August 18, 2009

"For the second time in two days, Mr. Obama did not mention health care on Tuesday, a marked departure from the aggressive public relations campaign he mounted in July and early August. The White House is striving to stay out of the fray, aides said, until the president can get away on vacation this weekend."


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

[AspenRose]

54. Wow. Take THAT, Blue Dogs.

:wow:

"Straighten up and fly right..."

[Soylent Brice]

55. i got page not found. is it me or is the link broken?

[donco6]

66. Me too. n/t

[Soylent Brice]

72. well, alrighty then.

[goclark]

56. Some "Progressives" seemed to not have faith

in President Obama.

The ones that talk about not voting for him in the next election because " he said" he was not going for the Public Option.

Some of those "Progressives" just started coming around DU again in big numbers. I wonder why?

I was so please to see a thread locked that had a great explanation by the moderator. It talked about threads that were simple "flame bait" and did not lead to worthy discussion.

I love DU and things had been going great for about 3 weeks and now we have the "Threat Patrol" again. The ones that Threaten us that they will leave the Democratic Party.

I say, leave now. Why wait? Maybe the next President will be a Republican that will certainly have your "best interest at heart."

I'm a Democrat and will be supportive of the Party by lending my time,dimes and talent to see that we can work together to make America a better place. :patriot:

[Mystayya]

57. And if the Left had not spoken out there is a good chance that the PO would have been dropped

This is how things work. I'm glad Obama is listening to the people and I am glad the people are loudly fighting for what is right.

[Peacetrain]

59. You want some hipwaders with the Bull crap you are wading in...

There was never going to be a drop of the PO from the Obama camp. He said last month, he would not sign a bill without it.

[Mystayya]

60. We are on the same side.

There was no need for you to get insulting. We may disagree on some details but we want the same thing in the end. Why be on a message board if you don't want to have a conversation? Geesh !

[Peacetrain]

62. You are getting conversation from me.. what you posted is bull crap

[Mystayya]

71. Yeah. okay.

You have a nice night.

[TheWraith]

58. Kicked and recommended! nt

[skeewee08]

70. Now that's what I'm talking about!