Oh ye that are losing faith in Obama... let me ask you a simple question...

[Rosco T.]

.. after ALL he did in the Primaries, when people said he blew it here and there

.. after ALL that went on in the general.. when people was saying he was blowing it..

.. and every time he came back and pushed forward.

DO YOU REALLY THINK HE'S GONNA BLOW IT SIX MONTHS IN? I FEEL MORE THAN CONFIDENT THAT HE'S GOT A ONE-TWO PUNCH SAVED UP THAT'S GONNA GET MORE THAN WE EVERY HOPED FOR!

Faith Manages.

[WeDidIt]

1. Campaigning and governing are apples and oranges n/t

[havocmom]

4. speaking of apples and organges...

governing or trying to fulfill everyone's hopes without everyone pitching in to do the work.

He ain't my fairy godmother. I know that.

[Phx_Dem]

30. So true. In governing, only Congress can pass laws so why

does a theoretical failure to include Public Option result in so many DUers and liberals responding with FUCK OBAMA as if he can simply instruct Congress on how to vote? When Obama promised health care form, I'm sure he, like me and most other Democrats, never dreamed our chances of health care reform would be destroyed by our own party's Senators.

I'm still optimistic that a public option will be included becuase I cannot believe Senate Democrats would be so politically stupid or go against their own party's President on an issue of such gigantic proportions. If it doesn't, I'll be pissed and I'll donate money to anyone who challenges a "no voting Dem," but I won't blame Obama because I know that if he could have written and passed the bill all by himself, it would have a strong public option, or been a single-player plan.

If it's okay to hate Obama if a public option isn't included, then we'd all better start hating the Clintons too!

[KakistocracyHater]

32. perhaps after 8 years of W, they're very used to feeling the president is

letting them down? & because of that, because of how bad the state of America has been revealed to be, all on the Rightwing's side, with not even 'secret holds' by the Other Right?

[Phx_Dem]

35. They can "feel" whatever they want, but it doesn't change the

fact that the President can't write and pass legislation.

LIke I said, for everyone who says FUCK OBAMA, they'd better add FUCK THE CLINTONS too.

[KakistocracyHater]

36. W gave the impression that Presidents DO pass laws, I don't think it's real

rage at Obama, it's more heartbreak & anxiety; people know what is at stake, & it is horrifying to watch, rather helplessly, as "our" Reps & Senators are not strongly on our side, is Obama representing us at their table? I sure hope so, we need it to be so. Healthcare is not a frivolous WANT it's a NEED.

[MNDemNY]

2. faith is for fools.

[create.peace]

3. just think he should dance some at least, with them that brought him

"As I said when I announced this strategy, there will be more difficult days ahead. The insurgency in Afghanistan didn't just happen overnight, and we won't defeat it overnight. This will not be quick, nor easy.

But we must never forget: This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which Al Qaida would plot to kill more Americans.

So this is not only a war worth fighting; this is a -- this is fundamental to the defense of our people. "- Obama at VFW 2009

[polichick]

10. I just saw this clip - sounded very familiar...

...and it's just as much bullshit as we've heard before ~ and before that.

[create.peace]

27. it bothers me more than the healthcare debate

and i was afraid to post it for fear of getting slammed by those who would say we are not 'loyal'---

[polichick]

29. I'm really concerned about it too - looks like the mighty military industrial complex...

...running the show ~ we're still paying those Blackwater criminals too.

[cottonseed]

5. They haven't lost faith in Obama. They're working for a 3rd party.

Led by Kucinich or Nader or whomever. That's fine with me, but they should at least be honest about it. Droning on each day about how Obama "lied" to them and how he has "finally" lost their support :eyes: is counterproductive in my opinion. They're not Freepers undermining a Democratic board, they're 3rd party advocates undermining a Democratic board.

[Peacetrain]

7. ....

My thoughts exactly

[Cha]

19. They can't be honest because this

is DU and that would be against the rules, n'est-ce pas?

[Ikonoklast]

37. Agreed. They were never supporters of Obama.

They still think Nader or Kucinich would be able to one damn thing done in Congress.

Kucinich has been in Congress how many years? And he's authored how many significant pieces of legislation?

Oh, that's right, NONE.

[Eric J in MN]

6. On the issue of cramdown

(letting bankruptcy judges change the mortgages for primary houses, as they can for secondary houses) Obama is nominally in favor of cramdown, but didn't push Congress to pass it.

Is the public option something he cares more about than cramdown?

[cleveramerican]

8. Governing is compromise

He is just another deal maker, figuring the odds from every angle
He did warn us.
He said he would govern from the center.
I had higher hopes is all.

I wanted him to be more of a fighter than he has so far shown.

[Cha]

14. Yeah, he's the president of the United States of America..

and that's everybody so there are some deals to be made in this fucking climate...it doesn't have to be a bad thing.

[cleveramerican]

20. I wanted him to be more of a fighter

it stings a little, it'll pass.

[Cha]

22. You have no idea what kind

of a fighter he is..we saw it in the primaries and the General when he won and won.

[cleveramerican]

24. today He signaled without coming out and saying it...

the public option is as good as dead.
He seems to have traded it away for what......?

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Is he gonna put some lefties in his administration or something you think?

[Cha]

16. He already has so maybe you should

investigate before you ask or wouldn't that go very well with the complaint?

[John Q. Citizen]

25. He has? Who? Boy I'm glad Daschle didn't get HHS

Did you know that he's working both sides?

He's lobbying for United Health, the countries largest health insurance company, and at the same time he's going on TV acdting like he's out to reform the people who pay him to push the interest of private insurance.

So, Who are these lefties in the Obama administration?

[Cha]

26. You're going to do your

own investigation on that.. you just assumed he didn't and you got it wrong.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. You don't kinow, do you? That's Ok, I don't either because I doubt there are any or

if there are they don't have very powerful positions.

Or do you think Rahm is a lefty?

:rofl:

[Cha]

31. I know they're are some because I'm on DU

when it's posted over the last 6 months and I've very glad for it. I also know there's a lot of enforcers in his admin who I'm not estatic about but the admin seems to think they're needed..we shall see.

[CakeGrrl]

11. Rec to cancel out one of the Doomsdayers...n/t

[valerief]

12. Magic thinking. nt

[Cha]

13. Thank you, Rosco..I'm

one of those who has a lot of confidence in President Obama.

[hedgehog]

15. He hasn't gotten angry yet, but he's starting to. The Republicans

are making him angry.








They shouldn't make him angry.







They wouldn't like him when he's angry.

[masuki bance]

17. Keep religion out of this. nt

[Rosco T.]

23. You brought religion into it, not me.....

"Faith" is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence." Informal usage of the word "faith" can be quite broad, and may be used in place of "trust" or "belief."

[democrat2thecore]

18. Read this list and THINK

You seem to be saying that we need "faith" that "Change We Can Believe In" is right around the corner. It always is....

Yet, issue after issue, it's change that didn't happen.

- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Health Care - poor planning, execution. Remember "No back room deals - all negotiations will take place live in C-Span?"
- Giving away to Big Pharma his promise to negotiate drug rates
- Wall Street handouts
- Corporate cabinet, corporate "advisory teams" - this White House is dominated by the same old corporate crowd.
- Economic team from the same crowd that ruined us
- EFCA (!!!!!!!)
- Don't ask don't tell
- Backpedaling on trade issues.

You know, this list really does go on and on.

This isn't about anything but campaigning for CHANGE and governing with the same old crowd. Disheartened, disappointed, crushed, dashed hopes. That's ME. Call it negative or call it reality. It is what it is, what it is, what it is.

I didn't vote to have faith. I voted to have HOPE and for CHANGE!

[Captain Hilts]

21. He runs to the middle whenever he has a chance. I can't get health insurance and I feel

as though I'm being used as a political football.

[DU GrovelBot]

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34. People claiming to be on our side have been patiently pining for him to fail for sooo long...

It would almost be a relief for him to fail once at something significant - like relieving blue balls are something.

:rofl: