If the Obama Admin Drops Public Option...Say Goodbye to 2012 Re-Election

[Bullet1987]

I don't really care what anyone says at this point, Obama campaigned heavily on healthcare reform. What we're going to get instead is a corporate-approved/Rethuglican-backed, bullshit bill that's not going to be anything close to reform at all. I thought Obama was going to be a fighter, I guess I was wrong. He's barely raised his voice against them. You can't push reform by being a nice guy. Do you think these fat cats WANT competition? HELL NO! So why act like we can go along this route singing kombayah? Like everyone is just going to get along. Obama has the support of Americans. If we don't get a public option, it's because frankly he's too weak or scared of pushing hard enough for it.

Just my 2 cents.

[xxqqqzme]

1. I agree. Hope will be squanered.

[johnfunk]

36. ... unless it is FILIBUSTERED by the GOFP, in which c ase the GOP is dead.

There is emerging evidence that Obama may be rope-a-doping the insurance industry, FreedomWorks and the teabaggers during the current recess. Let's wait until Congress is back in session...

[Laf.La.Dem.]

2. SAD

Sad to say = all those clowns shown on the "donation" list WON

[FrenchieCat]

3. So what are you doing to help the Public Option pass?

Apart from being mad at other people? Just Askin'

[BlooInBloo]

4. Um, if the public option passed, Obama would be successful, and these folks...

wouldn't have the cover they need to not support him.

[Bullet1987]

6. What CAN I do?

I'm not the President. And I'm not disillusioned into thinking I have more power than I do.

[FrenchieCat]

16. You have as much power as the Town Hall Freaks.....

and lately, it appears that they have plenty power.

I attempted to warn folks a while back that we had to get to work
doing what was needed, but folks just yawned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8484631

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Reminds me of the story of the Grasshopper and the Ant.

[Ganja Ninja]

35. I thought when I gave to the Democrats in the last election and voted for them I was doing something

I didn't realize that everything they promised us then would be subject to approval by the right wing town hall mobs. Frankly I'm getting tired of hearing that I have to out call, and out write, and out shout, the angry mobs of a right wing minority. I think it's a lame excuse so the Democrats can take the money from the insurance companies and blame the people that voted for them because we didn't work hard enough. Fuck that bullshit! They can follow through with their campaign promises or they can go to hell next election day.

[MichiganVote]

5. The entire town of DC needs an emptying out. Wall Street ain't got nothing on DC.

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. Actually, Wall Street has EVERYTHING on DC

And that's the entire fucking problem...... Too much Wall $treet. Too Much K Street. Not enough "Street Where Actual Human Beings Live".

[MichiganVote]

32. The politicians and wonks in DC let them have it and cry about campaign finance.

[emulatorloo]

7. Obama has been PROMOTING the PUBLIC OPTION at all the townhalls THIS PAST WEEK

Sounds to me like Sibelius was expressing her " opinion. " An opinion which apparently she has always held.

She does not make the decisions though.

Gibbs said on tv today that Obama is behind the public option.

[rocktivity]

14. I think what Sebelius said was simply blown out of context

Especially since Gibbs contradicted it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8591593

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4017510&mesg_id=4017557

:headbang:
rocktivity

[emulatorloo]

23. Good links -- everyone should check them out n/t

[Enrique]

8. if that were true, he wouldn't do it

he does not want to be a one-term president, that's for sure.

[katandmoon]

9. Obama is even more spineless than Harry Reid.

[Baltoman991]

24. LOL!!!

Do you write your own material?

Spineless? Yeah, ok. Sorry your candidate lost.

[CakeGrrl]

30. Yeah, we get it, you never supported him and never will. Check.

Amazing how many people jump all over any and everything that allows them to let loose on the President, even if it's specious bullshit.

[Boomerang Diddle]

10. Yes, let's stomp our feet and ignore everything else he has done

and instead elect a Republican because we know Republicans are so much better than Obama..............
:sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

44. you mean those great successes like, say, torture prosecutions, DADT,

cleaning up the DOJ and ridding us of the Bush moles? Or removing religion from the Air Force Academy? and other military branches?
or so many other issues ignored by Obama?
I see.

[Oregone]

11. Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a measly shiny concession that would of only covered 11-12 million people in a decade (there are already 50 million uninsured). Get real. With or without it, it doesn't substantially alter the reform. Its silly to only be for or against the reform based on that alone.

[valerief]

13. The public option is the zygote of single payer. All it has to do is gestate a few years. nt

[Oregone]

15. Yeah, thats what they said about Medicare decades ago

Get fucking off it already. If Medicare isn't substantially going to increase coverage over decades, your precious "public option" will not. Besides, its not even set up like a single payer system one bit (itd be self-sustaining, premium funded, and who knows about copay/deductibles). Its not even on the same fucking planet.

[valerief]

18. And Medicare will transition to single payer.nt

[Oregone]

19. LOL. Before or after they keep cutting and privatizing it?

Its everyone's boogeyman, unless you are old and need it. Despite its pricetag, its a whole lot more affordable than if the money is spent privately.

Oh yeah, how the hell will it, when NO ONE is trying to make that happen? And if it will, who the hell needs the "public option" in the first place to also do so? And why is it taking so fucking long--its been decades?

Come on. We need bold action. Not vague bullshit about ideas that aren't even on the map. Zygote of single-payer, my ass.

[valerief]

21. Wow, a Canadian bully! Well, you got yours. God bless the chile that got his own, I guess. nt

[Oregone]

28. God bless

Im not Canadian yet I don't think. I just immigrated. Im probably not American either at this point though.

Hey, you want me to hold you hand and coddle you? Would that make you feel better? Look, Im all for single-payer, but really now, its just simply not on the map. The grand ol' public option isn't designed to turn into it--it was designed to make single-payer advocates passionate about this half ass reform. Thats just the reality. I wish people in the states would get their head out of their ass and get serious about a health care overhaul. Maybe they need some tough love.

[valerief]

33. I KNOW single payer isn't on the map. Duh. Go yell at someone else. nt

[Oregone]

41. Really? What happened to your Magic Zygote Theory?

[valerief]

42. Read it again, bully. nt

[Oregone]

45. Ahhh. I see. So, single-payer isn't on the map until the magic zygote gestates a few years

Riiiight. Makes perfect sense.

[dionysus]

37. i think your problem is, you think you're the smartest guy in the room, and you're not even close.

:rofl: but please, shower us with your sage wisdom and pontification... :rofl:

[Oregone]

38. Thats what you think

The room is looking more and more like the inside of a circus tent

[valerief]

12. Yep. nt

[quantass]

17. 100% Agreed!

We all might be jumping the gun hear about the PO being removed but we are all very aware of the hints that are coming out and it doesnt look good.

I started reading more about the disastrous co-op by Cantor and man....honestly, i think for those uninsured it might be wise to take your life now and spare your family the medical headache. Or alternatively, marry up by wedding a Canadian :) (Email me if interested ladies -- arent i the romantic type)

[AspenRose]

40. ROFL

I would have been interested 15 years ago :rofl:

[Orangepeel]

20. maybe, maybe not. Clinton failed at health care and got re-elected

It depends on the economy in general. Obama won't have a (serious) primary challenger and the republican candidate probably won't be able to successfully use the failure of health care reform (if, indeed it does fail) against him.

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. Clinton at least had the Repukes to blame for his health care failure

Who's Obama gonna blame? Max Bluecross and Kent Co-op, the supposed "Democrats"?

[NYC_SKP]

22. Blue Dogs Love this kind of OP. Takes all the responsibility off them.

And puts it on the President who, in case you didn't know does not write legislation.

Get congress to send him a good bill to sign.

[emulatorloo]

25. "White House reiterates its support of the Public Option"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8591684

[Cha]

27. Yeah, they're not listening..

Cross posted from LBN..

cravermi (19 posts) Sun Aug-16-09 02:21 PM
Original message

"President Still Favors Public Option as a Means of Creating Competition and Choice, says Gibbs"
Source: CBS News/Face the Nation

(CBS)White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said on Face the Nation Sunday that President Obama is still in favor a government-sponsored health insurance plan -- but does not intend to replicate the beleaguered U.S. Postal Service.

The federal government would be able to successfully administer a health insurance option, Gibbs told CBS Anchor Harry Smith, even though the government-run Postal Service is facing serious financial problems.

"I don't think he was saying that what we were going to do is create the postal service for healthcare," Gibbs said. "The president believes this option of a government plan is the best way to provide choice and competition."

Read more.. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/16/ftn/main5245252.shtml?tag=stack


Kathleen Sebelius is saying one thing about the public option. However, Robert Gibbs is saying another.

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[Thrill]

31. I don't think thats true. But I think it will mean big losses in the mid terms

Democrats and Liberals won't have anything to be excited about to get out the vote.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Unless some other really big crisis occurs, his reelection will depend on the economy

[kjackson227]

39. I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet...

but we have got to stay vigilante and do our parts by notifying the White House and the Administration that WE (THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) are not going to back down from Public Option! NO HOW, NO WAY!!!!

[stevietheman]

43. Obama is just maneuvering to get a bill out of the Senate...

the real legislation comes from the House-Senate conference report, and Senate rules essentially prevent a filibuster of that.

The real fight will be getting the public option placed into that report. We don't know what Obama is going to do at that point, yet.

[Ter]

46. I just can't see him losing in 2012 no matter what

There's just no popular Republican to run against him.

[damonm]

47. It certainly won't make it easier...

Even I, who have been a staunch Obama supporter, will certainly be more receptive to a challenger in 2012, should the Public Option be frittered away. If the Public Option stays, so do I.