Beware: there were TWO MEN with LOADED GUNS nearby the NH Presidential townhall

[Julius Civitatus]

I've been following the disturbing news from yesterday's presidential healthcare townhall in New Hampshire. Many in these forums have also been following the hair-raising news, but most are unaware that there were TWO DIFFERENT PROTESTORS identified with LOADED WEAPONS outside the event.

1. Lunatic #1: William Kostric (mid-30s) the protester that showed up carrying a loaded weapon, and that the media covered extensively:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4
   
   
2. Lunatic #2: Richard Terry Young (62), was actually arrested at the school with a knife and a loaded gun (on edit CORRECTION: he was carrying the knife, but the unlicensed loaded gun was found in his car):
   http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090811-NEWS-908119961
   

This has created an extremely dangerous precedent, and needs to be addressed immediately. I sincerely hope that the Secret Service reviews their protocol and are able to react appropriately against this trend. The right-wing loudmouths in the radio and cable news (Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Dobbs) are fanning the flames of hate, and working up the most lunatic right-wing fringe to the point where it's getting very scary.
This needs to stop!

:scared:

[grasswire]

1. Young was carrying a pocket knife but not a gun, right?

The gun was in his car. An unlicensed gun.

Is that right?

[Julius Civitatus]

3. I believe that's the case...

He had the knife on him when he was stopped at the school, and the unlicensed loaded gun was apparently in the car.

[Phx_Dem]

4. That's how I heard it on the news. Of course the media is so fucked up

the guy could have had a live grenade in his pocket for all we know.

I'm so pissed at the braindead, fucking stupid cable news media for showing that Rosa Parks poster-ripping incident yesterday completely out of context, in addition to spurring on the increasingly violent protests by focusing almost solely on them.

[Julius Civitatus]

19. I corrected the headline and body to adjust it to the news details

Nevertheless, it doesn't detract from the disturbing aspect of finding two men with loaded weapons in the vicinity of the event. What was the purpose of that? It bothers me how some seems to think this is perfectly normal. It isn't, no matter how you slice it. It can be perfectly legal in NH to carry a loaded gun accross the street from a presidential event. I'm sure there's way the feds can override that NH law to preserve the safety of the commander in chief.

[brooklynite]

2. Let's review what happened...

One guy was found by authorities in the school and arrested

One guy was away from the school (and President Obama) and kept under surveillance

Sounds like the SS knows what it's doing

[Julius Civitatus]

5. No doubt. To my point, this is creating a crazy precedent

Why would anyone bring an unlicensed loaded loaded gun anywhere near the vicinity of that event?
Either a psycho, or a complete moron. Either case is reason to worry, in my opinion.

[MidwestRick]

7. "or a complete moron"

You nailed it right there.

[endarkenment]

6. I swear we could have death camps operational and people here

on DU would be posting "not to worry nothing to see here" posts.

What will it take for us to wake up to what is going on?

[SidneyCarton]

10. Show me a fire, I will be the first to go and grab a bucket.

The guy was caught, the system works, go figure.

[drm604]

8. That's what I was thinking.

It sounds like the Secret Service successfully did their job without a hitch. What were they supposed to do, stop these people from ever even leaving their homes?

[endarkenment]

12. They had the local police arrest people for anti-bush signs and tee shirts

but they cannot remove a gun strapped loon from the vicinity of the president?

[drm604]

13. That loon wasn't in the vicinity of the President,

and the arrest of people with anti-Bush signs was illegal.

[Julius Civitatus]

29. That is not true. He was right in it.

on edit: we may be talking about different loons. Too many loons with loaded guns!

This is what the article says:

PORTSMOUTH — Police said a man arrested at the scene of President Barack Obama's visit to the city Tuesday was found to be in possession of an unlicensed loaded gun.

Richard Terry Young, 62, of 821 Ocean Blvd. in Hampton, was arrested around 9:40 a.m., hours before Obama's arrival, and charged with the misdemeanor crimes of criminal trespass and carrying a loaded pistol without a license.

Young was found inside Portsmouth High School, where Obama later in the day held his town hall-style forum. Young was detained by the Secret Service and subsequently arrested by Portsmouth Lt. Corey MacDonald. Young was carrying a pocket knife, police said. A subsequent search of his vehicle, parked on school property, revealed a loaded hand gun, police said

(...)

Granted he was arrested before the event happened, but to me, what the article says is reason to worry about the intentions of Richard Young, frankly.

[drm604]

43. Yes, we are talking about two different people.

The one I was talking about was openly wearing a loaded gun somewhere outside of the building (I'm not sure exactly where), but he was never close enough to the President to be a danger. He wasn't breaking any laws so there was no justification for arresting him, but he was constantly shadowed by a Secret Service agent.

[rvablue]

14. +1 n/t

[kirby]

9. Not quite accurate...

Lunatic #1: Was across the street on Church property and was not allowed into the event. It is legal in NH to have a weapon that is clearly visible.

Lunatic #2: Was not carrying a loaded gun. He had a gun in his car. He did have a knife (how many people have one?) and was arrested. I believe his work vehicle was registered as positive by a bomb-sniffing dog. That is when they opened the vehicle and found a weapon inside. In his case, it was not legal because in NH you need a permit to carry a weapon in your car.

[Kaleva]

11. misleading title

Richard Terry Young's gun was in his car while he was detained inside the building with a knife in his possession.

[Julius Civitatus]

22. I adjusted the headline and body according to news details

Nevertheless, nobody brings an unlicensed loaded gun to an event where the president will be speaking, not even the vicinity.

[Kaleva]

25. It's illegal to have an unlicensed handgun in the first place.

The guy ought to be arrested for that alone even if President Obama is hundreds of miles away.

[kirby]

27. Who are you talking about?

In NH you do not have to register anything if the gun is on your person and plainly visible.

You do need one if the gun is in your vehicle. And that guy was arrested and charged as such.

[Kaleva]

31. Thank you for the correction!

I was thinking of Michigan law and didn't check New Hampshire law regarding guns.

[kirby]

34. No problem...

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. — Police say a man has been charged with trespassing after he allegedly tried to get into Portsmouth High School before President Obama spoke at a New Hampshire health care town hall meeting.

Police say 62-year-old Richard Young of Hampton, N.H., was detained by Secret Service personnel after he attempted to get into the high school Tuesday. The high school had been secured at the time in advance of the president’s visit.

WMUR reports police said he was also in possession of a folding pocketknife, and officers found a loaded handgun in his car, which was parked in on school property. Young was then charged misdemeanor carrying a loaded pistol without a license.

[RepublicanElephant]

15. good for the secret service for catching these nuts.

however, the secret service is still under-staffed and under-funded.

this needs to be corrected because the anti-obama hate is only getting worse.

[chicago legal pro]

39. Secret service "under-staffed" and "under-funded"?

Where is that coming from? When have they or anyone else said that? Besides you.

[xultar]

16. Everyone @ DU was going bat shit over the guy outside and there was a guy INSIDE

with a weapon.

I rest my case.

[grasswire]

17. a pocket knife (eom)

[xultar]

21. Weapon. You can't get on a plane with one.

[kirby]

18. No their wasnt...

Why do people keep repeating the same lies?

The guy was not INSIDE while the town hall was going on. He was arrested hours before Obama even arrived. The Secret Service did their job.

[xultar]

20. I DIDN'T SAY that he was inside when Obama was there. Just that he was INSIDE the location. READ.

WTF have people lost their gotdamed minds and forget to read shit?

The other guy never made it into the location he was always outside. That is where DU was focused and his dumb ass had eyes all over him.

[kirby]

26. You implied it...

I read very carefully. Not only do I read, but I consult other sources to check the facts. I also dont like seeing people post knee jerk conclusions when the facts are not available. DU was not soley focused on the guy outside. There were posts about this. Except they too were sensational, stating that someone was trying to kill the prez because a dog registered a hit and discovered a bomb.

BREAKING: Bomb Sniffing Dog Registers HIT On Truck By Obama's Townhall Setting

'First a gun and now a bomb!!!!'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6274895&mesg_id=6274895

[xultar]

30. SERIOUSLY...you took shit from TUESDAY and plopped that shit over here?

a WHOLE FUCKING DAY LATER?

After we have all new information...and shit has simmered fucking down.

GET THE FLYING FUCK OUT OF MY GODDAMNED FACE WITH THIS SHIT seriously, you are cracking me the fuck up.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kirby]

36. What are you smoking?

Seriously, you are referring to the Obama Town Hall right? That event was yesterday. You said everyone was focused on the guy outside. Well, I pointed to the thread that shows people were talking about the guy arrested earlier in the day yesterday. That post never simmered down. It was on the Greatest Page with over 220 recommendations from people spreading rumors and speculations.

[xultar]

38. I was making a generalization. OMG. You need to put me on ignore.

[kirby]

40. I dont use that feature...

But it is tempting ;)

[xultar]

33. ROFFPNMFPLMFAO.... WHOO. You are a riot kid.

[xultar]

35. And find me a fucking link to where I said 'First a gun and now a bomb!!!!' ROFL

Whooo. This shit is funny! I am gonna be smiling my ass off all fucking night from this shit right here.

[kirby]

37. When did I say you said that...

I was pointing out how there were other posts from people who equally cannot read. I accused you of hyping something like that other poster. I didn't say you posted that other thread.

[xultar]

41. Sorry Kirby, I was so busy cracking up @ your other posts I miss read this one. So, I

apologize. My reply there was totally fucking stupid.

rofl

[kirby]

42. It is okay...

Sometimes reading all these maddening threads about these tough times and RW haters, it gets us all on edge!

[Kaleva]

28. I didn't go bat shit crazy over the guy outside nor have I gone...

over the edge about the guy inside. The latter was armed with a pocket knife and his illegal gun was in his car.

[xultar]

32. nevermind. rofl

[ksoze]

23. The guns you see will not be the problem - it's the many you do not

The idiot with the strap-on admitted he was using it as a prop to sell his libertarian and 2nd amendment views. He found a media heavy stage and used it's focus to highlight his protest. The bent brains around him that are carry concealed weapons however are the real danger and are the ones the SS and we all should fear.

[depakid]

24. Two that we know of

[vaberella]

44. That's sobering. n/t