What health care reform is acceptable other than single payer because single payer

[ncteechur]

is NOT going to happen. It doesn't matter whether we think it is the best option or not. It is not going to pass. And I would challenge those who are single payer or nothing to list the 51 (not even 60) senators who will vote for it. You are pressing for something the president cannot and will not deliver.

[tritsofme]

1. Nor is it something that Obama or the congressional leadership promised.

Or even campaigned on.

Single payer was never on the table, everybody knows that, but the perpetual whiners will do what they do best.

[Salviati]

2. This may be true, but in taking it off the table, Obama neutered our negotiations

Instead of a strong public option to compromise on, now the compromised compromises are being compromised, and the left is feeling hung out to dry.

[tritsofme]

4. Obama ran for president promising people could keep their plans if they liked them

Any indication of support for single payer would break that campaign promise.

If the left is feeling hung out to dry, it is only because reality is catching up with them. Don't be surprised when things you were never promised don't happen.

[Better Believe It]

7. How about you'll be stuck with your plans if you like them or not?

That's a more accurate description of what's going on.

[ProSense]

9. Good,

you obviously think that scenario is better than Obama's plan.

[creeksneakers2]

10. The single payer would get less compromise

Since it has no prayer of passing, there is no reason for the insurance companies and others to trade off anything to stop it.

The fat cats are terrified of effective moderates. They laugh off the zealots.

[Oregone]

13. He never campaigned on not bombing the shit out of Sri Lanka

So lets fucking kill `em all, eh? We wouldn't want "doing the right thing" to compromise the integrity of a campaign



BTW, I never heard him mention "Cash for Clunkers" on the campaign trail. Oh Obama!!! How could you!!! If only we of known!



(And yes, Im not intending to make sense. Im reciprocating idiocy. A campaign is about getting elected. We should hope governing is about doing the right thing in the interest of the country)

[Laelth]

3. Nothing personal, OP, but I am SERIOUSLY tired of people telling me single payer won't happen.

It will. The only question is WHEN.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Oregone]

12. In the US, you see both socialized insurance (Medicare) and socialized health care (VA hospitals)

And yet people suggest Medicare for All is impossible. Disgusting right-wing meme

[jwirr]

5. I will be satisfied with a bill that protects people with preexisting illnesses,

is transferable from one job to another and includes a public option but I will not be satisfied with any bill that does not include the Kucinich amendment to allow states to create their own single payer program. The last is the key - I understand that is how Canada created its current program.

[NYC_SKP]

6. +1 n/t

[Better Believe It]

8. And more limited benefits at a higher cost to you!

That's the real plan.

[Baltoman991]

14. Oh, you have

personal knowledge that that's the real plan or are you spewing bullshit as normal?

You're clueless as to what the real plan is because you're to damn busy running around 24/7/365 trying to find as many articles as you can slamming Obama.

Give up the charade.

[Oregone]

11. Extending Medicare incrementally using the established infrastructure

That would work for a start. Single-Payer catastrophic (with deductible set on "affordability" quotient) would work to start.

[shimmergal]

15. No public option = No mandate

That's the dealbreaker I'd like to insist on. It's outrageous to force taxpayers to fund additional profits for the bloated health insurance corporations.