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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:50 PM Original message |
President Obama: "So, let me explain what reform will mean for you. " |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R #2 |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you, Mr. President! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. A much better lede. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. (1) What will I get that I don't already get and (2) how much will the new program cost me? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Here |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Sorry, that is too general to answer the questions that I hear posed by my friends. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The questions are sort of curious. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It's going to cost somebody so who do you think will pay the additional cost? n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Seriously, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. See #25. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Question: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Some are happy, those with good coverage, and some unhappy, those with limited or no coverage. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Delete, wrong place n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I've followed the debate very closely and the assertions about who pays is still unanswered. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. BS. n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Is that your final answer to a legitimate question? n/t |
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wininboy (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
105. Yes, obviously |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. 2) is not answerable until you know what will be in the bill, but the guidelines have already been |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I know guidelines have been posted but since when has Congress followed guidelines? n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The guidelines are IN the congress bills already existing and if anything the missing bill is trying |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. OK they will pay more but it's really less and they will feel good. n/t |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
103. It seems you're missing the point... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Sorry "you're missing the point" not I so why don't you answer #4 rather than attack me? n/t |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Not I. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Is it likely that some voters might get less health care than under their current plans & pay more? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I don't think so. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. IMO Obama will sign any health-care bill that comes to him and declare "Mission Accomplished" amidst |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. As you wish. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Not my wish, my expectation. I'm here because I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat & a progressive and I will |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. 1) If you get sick, your insurance can't be cancelled. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Understand but what about people who already have insurance? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. People with insurance have been getting cancelled. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. Thanks but that doesn't answer the questions in #4. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Yes it does. It answers it directly. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #86 |
95. Have a good day. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. The progressive movement is at a crossroads. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I've contributed for half a century as a Yellow Dog Democrat. Glad you could join us progressives. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Oh, now I get it. Healthcare reform seems important until one qualifies for medicare. n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. LOL Health care reform is important to me because of my children, grandchildren, hundreds of |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
60. The starting point of any discussion is that what they think they "get" is not sustainable. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. If what you say is true that government can operate a business at lower cost and higher quality, |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Its a complicated issue but the simple answer is: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Thanks "what other businesses has government taken over in the U.S. and achieved those goals?" n/t |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Why are you repeating the question? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. OK, but what private businesses has govt taken over and operated efficiently and effectively? n/t |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. You are aggressively obtuse |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Didn't your subject line just say it all? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
108. Medicare report says it's broke. Govt can't manage it so how can it do better with an expanded |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Except, it doesn't say what you say it does... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. You are a great candidate for Enron's board. n/t |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Wow. Wrong AND irrelevant at the same time. Well done! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. I was merely pointing out your rosy picture of a govt corporation when all facts point to a growing |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. If fact is "rosy", then guilty as charged. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. What subject change? #100 used medicare and I responded to that. Surely you know Obama said "We all |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. *sigh* If you didn't get the subject change, you have bigger problems than I can handle, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. I see your opinion of me is much higher than mine of you. Goodbye. n/t |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
74. Two questions, two answers. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Cost nothing! Sorry but I don't believe my friends will accept that answer and they're Dems. n/t |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Tell them it'll cost $4.50 per paycheck, then. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. LOL That's as credible as anything else I've heard. n/t |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
115. Well... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. "Acceptance has little bearing on fact" but it acceptance does determine votes and that's politics. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. 'We will stop insurance companies from denying coverage because of a person's medical history.' |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Here: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. I agree re "pre-existing conditions" but that will spread those costs over those already insured. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's the Fox Noise version of health care reform. n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Forget Fox, that is one of the questions my friends ask and they all vote and voted Obama. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Sorry, I can't |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I've been following the debate and listening to Democrats but no one has answered those questions. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Not true. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. LOL "Many scenarios" but the only one that matters is what Congress votes for and Obama signs. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Why are you laughing? You didn't know they even existed. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I laughed because you make assertions re some hypothetical plan but admit that there are several |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. What's really funny is that you had no clue |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Please listen to me, IMO you and I could set down and jointly agree on the basics of a health care |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
59. Exactly right. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. The insurance companies will be making more money overall, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That's my expectation also. :thumbsup: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. "if they raise premiums and blame it on having to sell [ins.] to people with pre-existing condition" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. How do you know premiums will be capped? I've followed the debate and scanned HR 3200 but |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. So, what do you suggest. That we stop everything and stay where we are. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. See "4. (1) What will I get that I don't already get and (2) how much will the new program cost me?" |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Happy you have a good healthcare. Others do not and have a chance to get it. Except if people like |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I'm blocking nothing however, I am concerned that Congress and Obama have not been able to present |
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wininboy (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
106. You don't speak for me |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. What the local |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Thanks. I was starting to get this as there was clearly no way this person cared about answers. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Problem is you have yet to answer the two questions I posed earlier in this thread. If there is a |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Somewhere I found in the bill that premiums will be capped at 11% of your gross income |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Thanks, answers like that are what blue/grey collar workers understand. n/t |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
127. The cost-share max for a family is $10,000. PLUS there's deductible - |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. Read it in black and white |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Your link is broke, are you referring to HR 3200 with the final amendments yet to be passed so we |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. The section regarding premiums limits can be found in section 243 |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Thanks but the only thing that matters is the final bill signed into law. No one knows what that |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Section 243 is about the federal gov't helping people pay premiums... |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. President Obama Should Throw In Some Powerpoint Slides |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Makes sense, that will certainly sway Joe Sixpack. :sarcasm: |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
42. Thank you for this, PS.. |
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dccrossman (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
44. K&R |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
50. Rec'd! That's my President! n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
51. Except that he is lying about being able to keep your doctor |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Those are very valid questions, but certainly not questions the RW wants to discuss. |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Where do you get that insurers will be allowed to double premiums for older people? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. When I was younger and had group insurance, I paid the same as older people. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. 11% is totally unacceptable as well |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. The amounts you write about are reasonable. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
93. That is just for additional premiums--does not reflect taxes to pay for nat'l health |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Actually, when I worked and lived in NYC, my tax bite was a bit higher than 41%, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #93 |
130. FICA and Medicare assessments not included in US data I supplied either |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. In reality... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. This is totally unacceptable |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The system in the Netherlands is a public/private system. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Everyone except chronically ill and long term care patients must have private insurance |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. I'm hip! They don't put up with that shit on Star Trek neither. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Killing only 11,000 a year instead of 22,000 a year is uncacceptable n/t |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
54. Mr. President ~ we still need the ABC - 123 |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
55. Obama sounds like he's reading a laundry list. "Outlandish" my ass. Sounds like my grandmother! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Deleted message |
JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. Excellent. nt |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. "Drug companies have agreed to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors." |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
87. What about health care for all? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. "they are just insurance reforms, not health care reform" |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. These insurance reforms are common sense |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 03:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Health reform made simple |
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lewiston (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
99. Truth rules |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
104. On Friday I said Obama needs to dispel some rumors... |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
111. Great job by Obama. Too bad so very few people listen to the Weekly Address. I did a survey |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
124. looks like "healthcare reform" is now officially renamed |
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125. The problem in this speech.... |
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