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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:55 AM Original message |
The Enthusiasm Gap - Why Liberals Should Get Behind Congress's Lackluster Health Care Reform Plan |
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predfan (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. For my fellow Tennesseans, I looked it up, just to be sure......enthusiasm isn't killing old folks |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. But lack of enthusiasm from complacent liberals could result in a shittier bill or no reform passing |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Let's see. It's not the insurance companies or pharma, because they are working with us to |
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Aragorn (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. you could just be right. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. So we should support a bill written by the insurance industry and drug cartel |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. nah, we can do so much better than what Congress is offering us. I won't be |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What will you do when single payer loses in an up or down vote? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Take away Congress health care! |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Members of Congress have private insurance like |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. paid for by the taxpayers |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. When people say this, do they realize it would take an act of Congress to make this happen? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. no, that's your fantasy. I'll keep on fighting for single payer. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. You have already joined forces with the insurance industry and big pharma. If I wanted |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Why have the Democrats not asked the CBO to score HR 676... |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. It wouldn't get a good CBO score anyway |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. So you don't give a crap about the millions who would be helped |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. this is a very tired and dumb argument. Single payer is proven to work. These multipayer |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. look at your name. "never give up". I imagine that has some meaning to you. So does single |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. So if it comes down to a bill that would provide some |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. thank you for the apology. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. if I wanted Romney Care I would have voted for Romney. |
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Aragorn (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. wrong example |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Now that's real productive. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. that is EXACTLY |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Do you agree that single-payer advocates should be excluded |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Real reform |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. Well-defined and good plans generate enthusiasm, muddled clusterfucks don't |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
18. Lack of enthusiasm from liberals, Blue Dogs, Republicans are easy |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
20. There will NOT be single-payer in this bill. So I'm going to be happy with a bill that provides |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. oh please... these proposals put more money into an already dysfunctional |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. "...these bills add another layer..." Health care agency’s payroll bloated |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. thank you slipslidingaway. We Dems don't have to be so desperate |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. You're welcome and I agree.... |
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Aragorn (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. me too. |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
28. Whoa, boy. This is going to be a long thread. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. I support a strong public option, but... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. If there's no public option there should be no mandate |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. ANYONE who will only accept single payer and still thinks it is a realistic possibility |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. the single payer movement has been in existence for 30 years. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Do you even understand the concept of "not getting what you want?" |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Actually, there are more supporters of single payer than before. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. A "longer-term perspective?" What a crock. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. nah. If there was a better proposal in Congress, you wouldn't be |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Snort! Nice try. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
38. What liberals? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Those weren't Liberals. They were PUMAs |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You went past the pumas wtihout stopping a long time ago. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I have no intention of debating last year's old news here |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You were the one who brought up pumas/last year's news, |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
40. this is not health care reform |
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pgh_dem (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
41. It's impossible to be enthusiastic about the opposite of 'the possibility of no reform' |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. There are only two acceptable bills |
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Becky72 (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. The New Republic |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
51. I Don't Know Whether I Want To Match Their Enthusiasm - They Are Threatening To Shoot People |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
52. Sorry. This is certain people's chance to declare Obama a failure... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
53. Strengthening insurance companies moves us further from reform. |
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