Dr Nancy asks who will lead on health care when the Surgeon General is obese and Obama smokes

[eleny]

I never watched her program before on MSNBC and won't ever give her a minute of my time again after today. Her smug rudeness isn't advancing the discussion, imo.

[HopeOverFear]

1. Whoa

[MarjorieG]

2. Let's put her on a weight loss show. It's getting to that. Some obese can't lose a lot but can get

thinner and eat healthier.

Not suggesting this particularly, but I was just watching Dance Your A** Off. The contestants are starting to change their appearance and eat healthier, facing embarrassment by dancing so publicly, and showing how effective and fun exercise can be.

[eleny]

6. Agreed, I just don't think it's appropriate to insult the Surgeon General or the president

I don't think the SG is "obese". And the president, knowing what it is to struggle, might be in a good position to lead.

My first impression of Dr Nancy is that she arrogant, therefore in no position to lead on the issue nor comment on the perceived frailties of others.

[Cha]

3. What a freaking stupid, dripping with assholeness

question.

And, what makes dr nancy so perfect? Certainly not her disingenuousness.

[eleny]

7. Thanks. I wanted to use strong language about her but weenied out

:hi:

[Cha]

32. With a question like dr nancy gave ..

one can just smell the "attack the messengers" on anything their feeble brains can come up with because they don't like the message.

The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-27-09 02:37 PM
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Surgeon Resigns Over Obama 'Witch Dr.' Pic
Surgeon Resigns Over Obama 'Witch Dr.' Pic
Fla. Doctor Apologizes For Forwarding E-Mail

POSTED: Monday, July 27, 2009
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- A Florida neurosurgeon has resigned from his post with a county medical association after forwarding an e-mail with an image portraying President Barack Obama as a witch doctor.

Dr. David McKalip submitted his resignation as president-elect of the Pinellas County Medical Association last week, and plans to remove himself as a delegate with the American Medical Association.

McKalip forwarded an image depicting Obama in a loincloth and with bones in his nose. The caption read, "ObamaCare, coming soon to a clinic near you," and was forwarded to about 150 people.

The doctor has apologized for his actions, telling a Tampa radio station it was a "very bad mistake."

http://www.clickorlando.com/health/20190351/detail.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6161329

:hi:eleny~

[Demoiselle]

4. WHAT!? Who the HELL is Dr. Nancy!!??!

Our Surgeon General is NOT obese! And as far as Obama smoking....oh, nevermind.
How can we ever hope for intelligent outcomes in this country when our national discourse is supervised by idiots?

[eleny]

8. Why, she's "all that", dontcha know!

And a snob.

[whistler162]

85. I guess that this is "Dr. Nancy"

http://www.drnancytalks.com/

I here preswicj C. Snodgrass also said something about the Surgeon General on his "radio" show!:sarcasm:

Or to put it simple "ain't not never heard of her!".

Also check out the svelte skinny mickey she is hugging on her website!

[BlooInBloo]

5. I hear they're not vegetarians, too.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, nobody's as perfect as dr nancy..she

conveniently leaves out the Organic Garden that the Obamas are growing on the South Lawn of the White House that has been an inspiration to many peeps.

<<Snip>>

"The Obamas seem to be taking gardening to a whole new level. They’ll have some 55 varieties of produce, from a patch of mixed berries — blueberries, blackberries and strawberries — to hot peppers, kale, collards and spinach, according to the Times, which featured a garden layout in their coverage.

Roger Doiron, founder of the nonprofit Kitchen Gardeners International, was elated. “I’m thrilled for the Obama family and for all who will be inspired by their example to grow gardens of their own this year.”

<<More>>
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/03/20/first-draft-white-house-victory-garden/

[eleny]

43. I keep imagining how mature & terrific the garden will look after 8 years

[Cha]

60. That's an excellent

image to manifest.:bounce:

[eleny]

61. The berries alone are going attract birds

They're definitely taking the long view planting blueberries and such.

[Cha]

89. I love their

garden and their long view!

[backscatter712]

9. What does the Surgeon General's weight or BMI have to do with her job performance?

Doesn't matter how much she may weigh.

Did the nation magically get thinner because the previous surgeon general was thin?

What a crock.

And does she have credible evidence that Obama's smoking again?

[soleft]

26. She could also be wonderfully healthy

we don't know what her vital statistics are. She may have low blood pressure, low cholesterol, low blood sugar, she may have an active lifestyle and eat a variety of healthy food.

She may be in better health than Dr. Nancy, clearly she's in better mental health.

[eleny]

10. And to whoever Unrec'd my thread - you can jump into the same tar pit as Dr. Snooty

[hileeopnyn8d]

20. Don't take it personal

I think some people have a visceral reaction to thread titles and/or what's being stated in them. They're unrec'ing what that doctor said, not your thread. That's my take on it, not sure if I'm off base or not.

[eleny]

29. I think that Unrecs are by people who don't want to see some threads discussed more widely

It's not important to me that my rant reach the Greatest page. But I find Unrecs generally immature at best and deserving of a verbal slap.

My response stands but I do thank you for your kind & caring words.

[CTyankee]

54. Iknew that would happen with the Unrec feature. It's like high school.

It's a way of retaliating against a DUer you may not like, or an idea with a definite point of view you don't like.

[musicblind]

80. I agree. I don't really see the point of the unrec beyond what you just described

:(

[CTyankee]

86. It seems to me that if you simply ignore the thread entirely you in essence

"unrecommend" it...

[Political Tiger]

11. I turned the channel when I heard her say that. n/t

[eleny]

13. Me too

I hesitated posting about it but after a while needed to get being ticked off my chest. :hi:

[JimWis]

12. Dr Nancy sounds like an arrogant asshole who likes to stick her

oar in other peoples lives.

[eleny]

14. I'd hate to be one of her patients

I wouldn't last long with her as I'd have my say to her face.

Now to find an email addy for her.

[nolabels]

22. I like people who feel a need to tell it like it is.

and it's no wonder so many people in the US are fat or overweight, they even desire their information to be sugar coated

[eleny]

24. I like to tell it like it is, too. Dr. Nancy fails to motivate by her arrogance

[nolabels]

42. I have learned that certain traits like arrogance and belligerence are only part of who people are

And even sometimes if you could get near enough to understand outcast boisterous types that their words are just inner thoughts (that everyone has) they never learned how to control.

I smoked and was fat, after several hundred or thousand times was able to beat both out of my life. I don't know who Dr.Nancy is and i don't feel the need to support her. That being said, i have also seen that people who seem to have little redeeming qualities sometimes can give others a glimpse of clarity. Calling someone fat or a smoker might not be it but having someone being outraged because someone else points it out might.

Finding the need to defend the short comings of people who have admitted their short comings is the mark of person(s) who have a need for irrational codependency. That is how we get alcoholics and drug addicts and give the wrong kind of help to people in need.

[eleny]

59. Congratulations on your success in overcoming some demons

I admire your resolve and will power.

[nolabels]

70. The problem i see with will power is that if often rubs off on your kids

But that's another long story :shrug:

[NoQuarter]

30. no labels, huh?

"fat" and "overweight" sound like labels to me.

[joeglow3]

33. Really?

How are we supposed to address people with weight problems? We can't call them fat or overweight? Can we call them weight challenged?

That said, I am not upset by this comment. All my Doctors have seemed to be healthy, but I have often wondered what it is like to get a talk about the importance of losing weight from an obese Doctor.

[eleny]

36. I don't see how the SG and Obama are disqualified from leading on health issues

The SG doesn't appear to be obese to me. Her work in the health care delivery is admirable going above and beyond. And Obama having a cig once in a while doesn't make him totally unable to lead on the issue.

If perfection is Dr. Nancy's criteria then her thinking is unrealistic.

[juno jones]

47. She is hardly obese.

She is an older woman who is about a size 18.

Gods, somtimes I think that the constant eyecandy of anorexic actresses has skewed perceptions in a disturbing way.

My OB GYN used to be a black woman of about the same size. She was not fat and was strong as hell. She was also the head of the obstetrics dept of the SIU school of medicine.

Not all women are petite.

[Blue_Tires]

55. +1

[joeglow3]

76. You don't know that

I don't know it either. However, she is clearly overweight and potentially obese. I don't know what her BMI is, but I would guess it is near the obese line.

That said, I agree it does not matter. Likewise a friend of mine is an OB/GYN and has had women tell him they want to see a woman because "she would know what they are experiencing." His response has always been, when looking for an Oncologist, do you demand they have had cancer.

Thus, I agree that it has no bearing on her ability to do her job. I simply said I have wondered what impact an obese Doctor telling you that you have to solve (and the importance of solving) your obesity.

[NoQuarter]

84. In this high-fructose-corn-syrup-

is-the-second-if-not-the-first-ingredient-in-EVERYTHING world, everybody is "potentially" obese.

[joeglow3]

34. dupe

[nolabels]

53. It was a reply of sarcasm

Being a smoker or overweight (fat) is a result of our screwed up nation and the corporations who make a profit from people being that way. We pray on others weakness (under direction of corporate) rather than help them on their way. Moreover it is done because we accept the yoke of being slaves to the whims of corporate boardrooms. They whisper in our brain and tell us how our world should look. They do it because it works. Hell no, it's us the screwed over who have more in common than the people screwing us over.

We have lost our humanity to a machine, a monster, a relentless thing that has the biggest desire to take our desire to be a person away. The thing is going so far as to make our world unlivable in a short while. It's the whole thing, and we can now probably kiss our ass goodbye because we have only outsmarted ourselves

[fadedrose]

15. Leave President Obama and his smokes alone...

this is a lousy time for him to quit...

I quit 2-1/2 years ago and still haven't gotten over the desire. He has no time for it. Wait 7 years or so and he'll have all the time he needs to quit. It takes will power and lots of naps...

Stress is something he doesn't need..

[eleny]

18. Congratulations on your resolve!

[dkf]

16. Obesity is responsible for 10% of health care costs.

It is not unreasonable to expect our SG to lead in this area. I don't know if our SG is fit or not but I would think its hard if you can't set a good example.

[soleft]

27. Obese people who are in poor health are responsible for 10% of health care costs

[emilyg]

48. The obesity contributes

to their poor health.

[Scout]

52. i'm obese

my blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, triglycerides are all EXCELLENT. according to the bullshit BMI i'm actually morbidly obese! ha!

i lift weights, i swim, i do cardio, i work full time, i do housework, i do yardwork, i take my dogs out for outings, i horseback ride, i hike, i watch tv, i read books.

fucking skinny assholes (not all skinny people, just the ASSHOLES) need to GET OVER THEMSELVES

everyone who's not anorexic doesn't have health problems ... and many of those who aren't fat at all have lots of health problems.

you can't tell by looking, and even if you could, you still need to get over yourselves.

[SuperTrouper]

65. Me too, I am a doctor and I am obese and like you do, I swim, play baseball, do my yard work,

walk, travel, take my dogs out, clean my pool, I last over an hour in my treadmill, my BP is 110/68, my cholesterol is 159, my sugar is 84 and I counsel my patients on weight loss and I inform them that I do understand their problem because I have always wanted to lose weight and it is a daily struggle (Am I a Wise Obese? LOL) and my patients identify and I identify with them on this struggle and I tell my thin patients to eat healthy, not smoke, etc. So Dr. Nancy is an asshole, she is just overly involved in her own ego. Our new SG is a fantastic role model and is both beautiful inside and out, her life story and her life work has made her venerable and an example to all of us physicians. And President Obama, thank God that we have someone who really cares about us in the WH

But Dr. Nancy is not alone, ABC news did a piece saying that Dr. Benjamin is obese: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=8129947&page=1

[emilyg]

77. Stop being so defensive.

If you are obese and healthy - you are the exception.

[Scout]

87. truth hurt does it?

what i'm saying is people ASSUME because they can see that a person is fat that they are unhealthy.

i'm not that much of an exception.

too many people are just obsessed with OTHER people's bodies.

[Hansel]

79. Same here.

I have a niece who is a size 0 who eats continuously and never moves her ass off of the couch.

I'm considered obese according to my BMI, but like you all of my blood work is perfect, except for my thyroid results. I do have pinched nerves in my neck because a car broadsided the bus in which I was riding. That is my only other medical condition and has absolutely nothing to do with my weight. I'm pretty sure that a skinny person having taken a direct side hit from a fast moving vehicle would have suffered similar injuries. Perhaps worse because they would have been thrown easier. I wonder what percentage of medical costs are the result of accidents. Hummm.

I walk miles every day and constantly work in the yard or am renovating my house. I'm hyperactive. I also have to work out all of the time due to the pinched nerves.

I love statistics though and how people interpret them. 63% of Americans are overweight or obese yet only 10% of medical costs can be attributed to obesity. Not bad considering how fast doctors like to blame obesity for illness.

How do they arrive at the figure that directly correlates these cost to the person being overweight? Do other people have the same illness who are not overweight? Sure they do, but if the person is overweight that is is deemed to be the cause of the illness because bigotry plays a large role in interpreting the data.

If even one person who is not obese gets the an illness, it is fraud to attribute the same illness to another person's obesity. For example, a lot of doctors attributed breast cancer in obese woman to their weight. However, a lot of skinny women also get breast cancer (Farrah Fawcett, Cheryl Crow, Susan Sommers). So how does it figure that obesity caused the fat woman to have breast cancer while it was not the cause of skinny woman getting the same? It might just be that sure percentages of overweight people just result in higher percentages of the overweight having a disease because they are a higher percentage of the population. That the overweight women would have gotten breast cancer even had they maintained an acceptable weight.

I think it is more likely that people who eat a lot of cancer preventing foods are thinner. But that doesn't mean that overweight people don't eat the same types of foods and get the benefits from them. I think it is likely that eating a diet consisting of exclusively bad foods and what your genetics are have more to do with illness than how heavy you are.

[Blasphemer]

82. I was the same way

Yep - there are many contributing factors. I was obese for most of my 20's and never had any serious health problems and no issues with blood pressure, cholesterol or blood sugar despite having a family history of problems with all of those things. I lost most of the extra weight in my late 20's and only in my 30's have I developed some minor health problems (not related to any of the aforementioned factors). It's easy to point at someone overweight and assume they are unhealthy but there are plenty of unhealthy thin people but no one makes assumptions. Heck, I was even far more psychologically healthy back then. At this point, I'm sure I'd be considered a "drain" on the health care system for non-physical reasons.

[Scout]

49. so skinny people are responsible for the other 90% .... they cost more, get rid of THEM n/t

[Zynx]

51. Being old is responsible for significantly more than that.

Let's never have anyone over the age of 45 do anything. Hell, let's not have any old people period.

EDIT: FYI, I'm being absurd on purpose just because you deserve it for this.

[PassingFair]

62. That's a ridiculous strawman argument...

If obese people die early they SAVE the system money.

My non-obese Aunt is in a nursing home. She is
in good health, but has dementia and can't walk.

I can foresee her remaining there, at taxpayer
expense, for another 10 0r 15 years (at 6,000/month).

I don't grudge her this, but from a purely
financial standpoint, it would have behooved
society (as far as YOUR argument goes) if she
had popped off from a heart attack at 55.

I hear the same crap about smokers. Their
"untimely" deaths SAVE on medical care.

Sheesh.

[dmallind]

64. And more than 10% of the population is obese....ergo.... NT

[donheld]

81. Maybe she can lead a national diet and exercize program

[SpartanDem]

17. Let this arrogant piece of shit know how you feel

here's a link to the comment section

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31570131/ns/health-health_care

[eleny]

19. Thanks a million!

[zulchzulu]

21. Is Dr Nancy doing Botox commercials yet?

If you see her on hi-def TV, it's very apparent she's dosing and even had work done. That Pharma lobby money does make it possible though... right Nancy!

[eleny]

28. Interesting. We don't get MSNBC is HD yet

I may not appreciate Andrea Mitchell or Tweety very much but I'd rather watch their programs back to back than a minute more of Nancy-Know-It-All.

[kiva]

23. If she's the one I'm thinking of -

smug brunette who oozes superiority? - then she's just carrying on her fatally flawed attempt to make everyone conform to her standards of behavior. She doesn't seem to have the ability to understand the idea of moderation, for her it's all or nothing - which is pretty much a guarantee that the majority of people will tune out her message.

[eleny]

25. One can only hope that MSNBC finds a better health spokesperson than Nancy

[Arkana]

31. Apparently she's never seen Obama shirtless.

[HopeOverFear]

72. lol

[asjr]

35. Dear Dr. Nancy has been on every network

at one time or another for years and years. ABC, NBC, and CBS. And she hasn't aged at all in 20 years. Of course she has the money to look that way.

[eleny]

39. Perhaps she values appearance over substance

[izquierdista]

38. The same people who will lead on morality

The airport cocksucker and the Carolina poontang chaser.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. After reading through the entire thread, I still have no idea who

'Dr Nancy' is. Is 'Nancy' the last name? Or is this 'Dr Nancy' like 'Judge Judy'?

Most important,

Why should I care?

[eleny]

44. In my OP I pointed out that she has a show on MSNBC

[azmouse]

45. A few years back she was the doctor spokesperson for Good Morning America.

[shaniqua6392]

41. Dr. Nancy's clothes are still wrinkled from screwing whoever gave her that job.

She is an idiot.

[SuperTrouper]

66. LOL! Probably crewed Joe Scarborough...nt

[shaniqua6392]

78. Screwing Joe can get a girl killed!!

:rofl:

[azmouse]

46. "Dr Nancy" is a good friend of Charlie Gibson.

He's another notorious RWer who is incredibly arrogant. They make a nice pair.

[4lbs]

50. After President Obama's health care press conference last week, Chris Matthews had her on to give

her thoughts.

All she did was whine about what she didn't hear. She obviously came to the program with a mindset to do a hatchet job on President Obama's performance.

[eleny]

57. I saw that segment and came away feeling the same as oyu did

[Cali_Democrat]

56. Who the fuck is Dr. Nancy? I've never even heard of her before.

Is she a Dr. Laura wannabe?

I'm glad that I'm at work when she's on. Her show sounds awful.

[eleny]

58. I think a medical show 5 days a week is too much with a doctor like her hosting

Seems like she could have a weekender and that would be plenty.

[SuperTrouper]

67. Yes, I now prefer Sanjay Gupta.

[eleny]

68. Yeah, or just talking to our doctor if we all have a nice one like mine

:D

[masuki bance]

63. All the beer drinking makes me uncomfortable. nt

[ksoze]

69. Ask Dr Nanacy who will lead on abstinence when Bristol has a baby and Britney has no underwear

[SuperTrouper]

71. LOL!

[Thrill]

73. No need to worry. Her show is so damn boring

it won't last another month

[BlooInBloo]

74. BlooInBloo asks who will lead our news networks when the talking heads are illiterate dumbshits.

[ksoze]

75. Dr Nancy asks if obese people who question where Obama was born are "Wide Berthers"

[TheKentuckian]

83. Just another bogus angle for the craptabulace Doctor to fight against the option.

Who give a box of old cat turds what this woman is talking about?

[Name removed]

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[Withywindle]

90. Well, sounds to me like they have both have some experience.

Obesity and addiction are both MEDICAL conditions, no?

Since when does having a medical condition rule out leadership? Tell that to FDR. And Churchill was fat, a smoker, AND probably an alcoholic. So fucking what? So now you can't be a leader if you have high cholesterol? A tendency to skin cancer? A bum knee?

RWers need to step the fuck off on this considering nothing kept Cheney's half-dead heart beating except sheer hate and the sexual arousal he gets from torture.


I mean, never mind that the SG is hardly morbidly obese and the Pres has been trying to quit for years. (Probably won't succeed until 2017, 'cause being Pres is just too much of a high-stress job.)

[Aristus]

91. I'll answer her question as soon as she explains to me why a pResident who moved

Heaven and Earth to keep his cowardly ass from having to go to war decided to start a war just to look tough...

[burning rain]

92. A plump surgeon general is probably more representative of America than a slim one.

She's a good humanitarian. The hell with Dr. Nancy. I found her deeply unpleasant from the get-go.

[PA Democrat]

93. I'm sure Dr. Nancy has NO vices so she is perfectly justified

in criticizing the less than perfect. :eyes: