Wisdom dictates we stop demonizing Republicans

[cleveramerican]

Statesmanship is compromise
Politics is theater.
We are not the only sincere party.

Right now we need statesmen not court jesters.

All of them were sent there to work it out.
Have the arguments, hammer out our national priorities.
Agree on what can be agreed upon
Put the good of the nation above all else.
Incremental steps forward are better than standing still.

[AspenRose]

1. They're very good at demonizing themselves.

They don't need help.

[Zen Democrat]

2. We are not the only sincere party? We're the only SANE one!

[SIMPLYB1980]

3. Let Obama be a Statesman.

That's his job. I on the other hand will say just what I think of the republicans. They are a bunch of right wing, crazy, racist, Christofascist.

[WinkyDink]

4. Evil is as evil does.

[Lasher]

5. It takes two to tango.

Republicans don't want to get along with us. They didn't want it when they had the majority and they don't want it now. They named the tune, it's their turn to dance.

[Brentlive]

6. I disagree fully

We have the votes!!! Get this shit done now! We will not always have this much power. The GOP will gain power again one day. We have to get as much as possible done to prevent them from undoing it.

[cleveramerican]

7. If we end up with Democrat health care

We all lose. You've got to get them to put something on the line or it will never be as fully realized as we all hope.

[Ino]

8. You mean "DemocratIC health care"? (nt)

[havocmom]

52. um, no, I do believe (from other reading around here) poster meant it the way they wrote it

And that should be a lesson to consider and research ;)

[kenfrequed]

10. "...democrat helath care"?

What the hell does "Democrat health care" mean?

And could you get past the damned platitudes long enough to be specific about what you think ought to be done.

Talking about bipartisanship is all well and good but this is about policy, not "Kum By Ya" rehearsal.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. WTF? DEMOCRAT HEALTHCARE?

Not so clever, cleveramerican.

Crawl back under your bridge.

[City Lights]

25. WTF is "Democrat" health care?

:eyes:

[havocmom]

53. a thing which brings out moles and bridge dwellers?

;)

[Dinger]

74. + 1

[ProSense]

29. "If we end up with Democrat health care... We all lose."

You've survived a long time.

[havocmom]

55. easy enough to do

if much time is spend in the sock drawer

[CakeGrrl]

34. Troll alert!

:rofl:

[Cha]

47. I knew this

one wasn't as clever as he thought.

[PVnRT]

39. If you're going to use right-wing phrasing, say ObamaCare

:eyes:

[Spazito]

40. Oops, your slip is showing....

not so "clever" I guess!

:rofl:

[Raineyb]

43. First of all it's DemocratIC

Second of all the Republicans have already made it perfectly clear that they are not remotely interested in voting for any health care reform. So why do we give a shit as to what they put on the table. Fuck 'em.
Third, how the hell did you stay under the radar so long?

[maryellen99]

44. I love the smell of pizza in the morning nt

[Raine1967]

45. Your slip is showing, eom

[Naturyl]

58. 1000+ posts. Grats on that.

It takes a certain skill to pull that off. "Democrat health care" indeed. Undone by a little slip.

[Joe the Liberal]

60. *sigh*....

You'd think that freeper trolls would be a little more subtle about it but nope. Well at least this one got up to +1000 posts, most don't even reach 100 before they reveal themselves.

[cleveramerican]

65. you read alot into one word

which I did for effect/ it sure got a lot of attention
I will be sure and repeat that flourish
cause you all get so worked up about it.


you can call me names if you must but I am a real dem / party field worker for 25 years

you have never seen a conservative dem?

[olegramps]

79. Your response is a pile of crap.

[cleveramerican]

88. and yours is worse

just spewed bile.

[ladywnch]

110. if you are indeed a conservative dem then why are you here on a progressive

website unless it is to be disruptive. DU has NEVER been a conservative website. find a site for DINOs to blog with other like-minded people. I'm sure they're out there.

[cleveramerican]

126. I like to know who I am alligned with.

so you only want to talk about politics with people you agree with?
that doesn't sound very interesting to me.

[ladywnch]

132. clearly you are not aligned with DU since DU is not a conservative site.

I agree, you should look for who you are aligned with. I don't always agree with everyone on DU but at least I know they are progressive, liberal Dems and not DINOs.....

[cleveramerican]

137. DINO is a Tom Delay thing/ why would you emulate that bastard?

that bastard went around calling moderate republicans RINO's
so what do we do the moment we win a majority....

we start calling folks who are on our side in the broadest sense DINO's
splintering away from the very reps we voted for and celebrated their win last January
now a mere six months later here its widely accepted they are crooked bastards who should be hated
does that sound very smart to you?
We are falling into the same trap... with such glee... it astounds me.

[elshiva]

115. PIZZA TIME! EAT UP!

[quakerboy]

120. If we end up with Democrat Health care

we all win. And win. and Win. Like when we got Democrat Social Security and Democrat Medicare. The people receiving health care win. The people switching over to a less costly insurance win. The hospitals that will get paid instead of having unpaid debts owed to them will win. The employers who get a little relief on HCI cost win. The Democrats who are responsible win, both in a practical voter impact sense, and in a carmic having helped people sense. The economy wins. The only ones who lose are Insurance corps and Republicans.
So which "we all" are you referring to?

[cleveramerican]

127. you are correct,... if it all goes well

but if we jam it through with no republicans
every time some old lady dies awaiting treatment, We get blamed
every time red tape gets in the way , we get blamed
every little hiccup, every little less than perfect provision
they hang it on us, and there can be no denials.
We all know how easy it is for them to take one little occurance and turn it into a damaging slogan.

with the war in Iraq, which the republicans deserve the blame for...

They have the cover of saying Kerry, Clinton,Edwards and others voted for it too!

I so wish more people here could see this.I wish we could have a little more cover.

do you really expect it to work perfectly right out of the gate?

[Indenturedebtor]

136. Ah- thats surprisingly well spelled for being grabbed from a Republic blog

Which blog did you get it from? We're all dying to know!

[cleveramerican]

140. all mine

[DebbieCDC]

9. They do the job for us

[uponit7771]

11. We should not only demonize them but do it quitely while letting them do all the talking for us

[kenfrequed]

12. Un rec'd for platitudinal pablum

Seriously you are recommending Queensbury rules to someone thorwn into an ultimate fighting ring with a sick, rabid, angry badger.


Also why not give us some actual policy rather than 'bipartisan bs.'

[OwnedByFerrets]

13. Just as soon as they stop openly warring against the

Middle Class, I will stop demonizing them.

[BlooInBloo]

14. Wow. You've lasted a long time. Grats.

[dgibby]

17. You read my mind!

[Mrs. Overall]

Mine, too. Continuous negative posts.

[Cha]

48. Continuous negative threads and posts and

now "we can't demonize recons" when clearly they demonize themselves.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. Bullshit.

There is NO proof that they:

are sincere,
were sent there to work it out,
agree on what can be agreed on (the word is 'compromise')
put the good of the nation above all else.

They are NOT sincere - if they were they would not throw money at the rich at the expense of the poor;
They were NOT sent there to work it out - they were sent their to support the corporatist agenda, period;
They will NOT agree, or compromise, on anything - it is their way or no way, and we can expect nothing else from them;
They do NOT put the good of the nation above the good of their party and the corporations which own it.

We finally have the power to work without compromising our ideals - to compromise now is to surrender.

Fuck em. They ARE demons.

[Doctor_J]

18. Good advice for Obama. Bad for everyone else. Most of the the GOP ARE demons

Bachmann, DeMint, Inhofe, Vitter, and their ilk are as malignant as Satan, and should be treated as such.

[depakid]

19. That's the EXACT opposite of what the scientific research says

I guess the question really boils down to whether folks want to do- or have the fortitude to do what it takes to win.

Republicans surely do, which is why even now- at the nadir of their power- they STILL win public policy fights.

[cleveramerican]

66. politics is very unscientific

[damntexdem]

20. Wisdom dictates that we stop demonizing devils.

Morality is compromise.
Religion is theater.
The good is not the only sincere party -- the evil are sincerely evil.

[RandomThoughts]

21. People should not be demonized. But there is a thought about why they are different

Empathy circles.

(Note: This stereotype Republicans and Democrats, and is not correct in all cases, but is only an example, many Republicans are really caring, have large amounts of caring, and many Republicans also care across much of society, and many Democrats are also selfish)

If you think of 'caring' as a combination of empathy for others, being able to feel how they feel about things. And include caring for oneself as part of caring, (although caring for self is actually selfish, its is easier to think of that way.)

A sociopath would have a caring graph like this.

11....................................................................................
11....................................................................................
111...................................................................................
111...................................................................................
1111...................................................................................
self--family-friends-associates-strangers-other groups that are really different-enemies.

The sociopath only cares for self, he can do things for others but only if it returns something to him, so it is not caring. That is the counting favors type mentality or deal making between groups, where a sociopath can help someone else, but it is still for self.


Many Republicans have smaller empathy circles. So their caring graph looks sorta like this.
...111111111- (they may even have more empathy for people like friends then for self(loyalty))
..11111111111111.........................................................................
11111111111111111111.....................................................................
111111111111111111111111.................................................................
111111111111111111111111111111111........................................................
self--family-friends-associates-strangers-other groups that are really different-enemies.

Many groups even teach not caring to maintain an emotional detachment to people to be able, in theory, make tough decisions.

Generals will often learn to not think as much about soldiers they sends to battle, he cares about them greatly but has to suppress that to send them to battle.

Soldiers learn to care less about their enemy(although that is not US training, US military trains that empathy for the enemy is part of winning a battle, since the goal is ultimately a better place for that society. In the 40s it was hate the enemy, that is not taught anymore.)

Some Doctors often limit feeling of caring for patients so they do not feel their pain as much.

And some business people, to be able to make a profit by someone else suffering also limit caring.

Even the concept of tough love says people have to limit caring to not be enablers.

And 'feeling someones pain' actually increases suffering in the world, but it does that to fix the suffering it feels, the empathy is the bell in someones head to tell them to do something to help someone. However many argue to much empathy for those you can't help just adds suffering, but many times people don't know they can help until they try, and they don't try until they care.

The tough love is the idea behind pull yourself up by your boot straps, and that limited caring allows for people to think others should be in fear or starve to motivate them to try harder. But many times tough love is actually 'not caring for self reasons' with the excuse of tough love.

Democrats, usually have a bigger circle, (you can see that example clearly by how Peta even has animals in their empathy circle, while green peace even includes whales)
The Liberal mind often has both more available caring, and also it is spread out over more people.

..........................................................................................
.........111111111........................................................................
.......11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111........................
...1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...........
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
self--family-friends-associates-strangers-other groups that are really different-enemies.

But liberals are also more likely to give up selfish things, or even things that might help friends and family to help others.

So look at the Republican graph, and the Democrat's graph, and you can see why the Democrats want to work together and the Republicans want to take advantage of the Democrats when they do.

I think alot of how to think of it is you can be kind to an enemy or someone in another group without giving up ones own values. So you can be willing to reach across aisle, but when the Republican side is only asking for things for their group, it literally has no value. Since the Democrats are already pretty much trying to help all groups, and the Republicans want to bump up their own group. Note when they think of the suffering of the rich, they figure they are doing ok. While the Repubs only care about certain groups, so even if they are doing ok, that is where their efforts to help go.

So the bipartisan between really caring people and those out for self makes cooperation much more difficult.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. What they stand for on most issues is not good for the nation by any stretch of the imagination

Unless, of course, you think that the Gilded Age was a good time for the nation. Obama tried offering them an olive branch, agreeing to stop the partisan attacks if they could seriously agree to work for the good of the nation. They rejected the olive branch and demonstrated that they were more interested in beating the President than doing what is good for the nation.

[scheming daemons]

23. As long as we don't daemonize them, I'm ok with it...

;-)

[Perky]

24. Who's with me? EFFFFFFFFFFFFF Wisdom!

[City Lights]

26. Who is "we?" nt

[cleveramerican]

27. which is more important? winning one vote or actually fixing health care?

Its such a huge thing that reaches into EVERY home in the USA.
I would like to see all hands on deck for this one

[DailyGrind51]

70. Healthcare will never really be "fixed" without a strong public option.

Health insurance companies will return to rescinding patients and rejecting applicants with pre-existing conditions as soon as Republicans are the majority again.

[kestrel91316]

28. Our statesmen can be statesmen. As for ME, I'll demonize all the

damned repukes I please.

[OwnedByFerrets]

30. You showed your hand, thus you lose. There is NO Democrat Party.

Never has been, never will be.

[The Magistrate]

31. Quite The Contrary, Sir: Wisdom Requires Exposing Clearly The Demonic Nature Of That Party

You are doubtless a decent sort, and as most good-hearted people do, you have difficulty realizing there are people who are not decent sorts at heart. The Republican party has for the last forty years based itself on exploitation of racism and religious intolerance, as the weapons necessary to gain mass following for a program of enriching a business oligarchy who pay their bills. In doing this their chief weapon has been the flat, bald-faced lie. Over the past two decades, it has become abundantly clear that the Republican party does not adhere to the democratic compact of a free society: they refuse to abide by the results of elections when the polls go against them, and when turned out of office by the majority of the people bend all their efforts to make the country ungovernable.

"You can't reason with this man...."

[DU GrovelBot]

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[Hutzpa]

33. You've done a god job

staying under the radar....looks like your job is to completely disrupt, even when the subject
is a positive thread about the Democratic elected President you've always find a way to be
negative with a touch of condescending statements after another.

:hi:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8599809

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8597761#8599971

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8594178

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8595306#8595319

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8586194#8586527


Edit to add this, front page of GDP;

[Cha]

50. Yeah, I'm getting tired of this shit..

since 2005! :wtf:

[Apollo11]

59. Being negative doesn't prove she or he is a right-wing troll

That last link has cleveramerican agreeing with Bertman's post on August 14th:

Here's an idea:

He's the President. How about he TELLS US what HE wants to see in the health care reform legislation? Why doesn't HE tell Americans what HE thinks needs to be done to correct this goddam mess we are currently in?

He's OUR LEADER. It's time for him to lead by telling the country and the Democrats what he wants for America.

If he leaves this up to Congress the lobbyists will win in a landslide. And Americans will once again be screwn.

My guess is that many folks here on DU would sympathize with this post, even if it is "negative".

[cleveramerican]

67. Paranoid much?

[Forkboy]

83. Lie much?

[cleveramerican]

90. Find a lie

how does one even lie in an opinion forum?

[Forkboy]

95. There's been no statements of fact on this thread?

Are you sure about that?

[cleveramerican]

96. If you find a lie I will remedy it

You are not prosecute
and I am not a defendant
but have at it,
if you have that few things to do.

[Forkboy]

102. You started with one.

Wisdom dictates we stop demonizing Republicans

[cleveramerican]

123. the smart move is seldom the easy move

I"ll stand by that one.

I think of republicans like gravity
not evil or anything like that
just a steady force I must push against

[cleveramerican]

89. dig a little deeper

you cite 5 out of several hundred as proof?

I have a range of emotions on a range of subjects.
negative? sure sometimes... so what?

[hileeopnyn8d]

104. It isn't really a range of emotions

when you constantly criticize Democrats while asking us to be kinder and gentler to Republicans. The only time you seem to agree with Democrats comes in the form of praise for those standing in the way of public option or healthcare reform. WTF?

Your criticism of Dems goes back longer than the Obama administration. In these threads from 2006 you criticized Clinton, Carter and Rev. Lowery for their remarks at Coretta Scott King's funeral. Which is the position people like Michelle Malkin took.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x358325
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x358680

It's one thing to disagree, it's another to disagree only with Democrats on a message board that supports Democrats.

[cleveramerican]

124. i call em like I see em/ I'll stand by those two

"constantly" is an overstatement

The thing I have noticed which may contribute

highly positive threads which all of us are likely to agree with sink like a stone.

why do you think that is?

[sunnybrook]

129. You have to constantly prove yourself

It is ridiculous. Because we do have actual idiot trolls on here does not mean that every idea that is not pre approved by committee should be banned, or that person should automatically be suspicious. I am not a conservative democrat, I consider myself to be very liberal, but I am really getting sick of this lockstep mentality. Now predictably everyone will jump on my ass, question my progressive credibility, blah, blah, blah... totally predictable

[CreekDog]

35. uhhhhh

i uh...

[BlueMTexpat]

36. Is that "Wisdom" or Rove doing the dictating?

I certainly don't have to "demonize" Republicans. Just look, for example, at the insane people at the public fora on health care. They are not Dems. To say that they are possessed by demons is practically factual. Yet I haven't even said that. But I do say that they are deluded RW wingnuts. That they are also Republicans is factual.
By your use of "Democrat" rather than "Democratic" where it should be in a post further down, you have betrayed yourself.
Not so clever after all. :popcorn:

[saltpoint]

37. Grassley, ordinary and bland as they come, lied in public about

components of the president's health care legislation.

I see no call to extend the hand of statesmanship to a lunkhead like that. And he's among the milder of the hotheads.

[malletgirl02]

107. Exactly

Obama has been conciliatory with the Republicans, especially Grassley, and where has that gotten him? Like you said Grassley keeps spreading lies about legislation.

[CitizenPatriot]

38. I didn't realize we were stopping them

from participating. Last I knew, we were waiting for them to come up with a plan for healthcare, and they didn't. Then we offered them coops, and they didn't want to play that game either.

turned out they never wanted healthcare reform, but they couldn't admit it.

They're in charge of their game. They're making fools of themselves and we're hardly the only people noticing that fact. They may never recover from the disaster of the past 8 years-- because they refuse to take any responsibility for it.

[Orsino]

41. Demonize their policies and their votes.

Connect these to industry lobbyists' efforts. Assign the blame where it lies.

[Peacetrain]

42. Watching and waiting.. think I will grab that 2nd cup of coffee....

[DailyGrind51]

46. But, it is so much fun!

Some of this demonizing stuff is so funny, it makes my sides hurt ( or is it my gallbladder?)

[Phx_Dem]

49. Dems playing nice guy to the Repug's hatemongering never works.

[Arugula Latte]

51. OMG -- This is rich.

Nice knowing ya! :hi:

[Arkana]

54. No.

Republicans aren't interested in true bipartisanship. They want it their way or the highway.

And if you haven't realized this yet you're either a troll, fool, or not paying attention.

[azmouse]

56. Baaaaa.

[Forkboy]

57. Wisdom dictates something about you as well.

[and-justice-for-all]

61. Pukes actually deserve worse then demonization..nt

[democracy1st]

62. man are you a freeper ?

[cleveramerican]

63. just hopeful

back on july 22nd

which seems an eternity ago

[democracy1st]

69. thats cool guy you should tell your story

[proud patriot]

64. But they are so full of hate toward us

I know you are correct but it's hard .

[cleveramerican]

68. you think no hate flows the other way

just look at these responses

I am hated for even considering simple courtesy and respect for our worthy adversaries.


its not a cat fight its two proud political parties jockeying for position.

[ShortnFiery]

71. They lie and use FEAR and RACISM as a tactic. They're bullies and must be stood

up to. You can't take a knive to a gun fight.

We must argue with FACTs but use EMOTION and RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION to stir up OUR MASSES.

TODAY'S Republicans are illogical to a person ... you can't argue with someone who's ideologically "challenged."

[cleveramerican]

87. so do we

read this thread and tell me we don't encourage fear and hatred of republicans.

[Progressive dog]

116. When Republicans act Like Americans, I'll treat them as such

When a political party becomes a group of lying cheating elitist bullies, then they deserve no respect. Explain to us how compromise with people who have only accepted a "compromise" when they got everything they wanted is possible.

[Bluerthanblue]

142. then you have condemned yourself-

because you are being controlled.

You are allowing THEM to make you behave in a way you condemn them for.

good luck with that.

:hi:

[Kaleko]

91. "...its two proud political parties jockeying for position."

If you sincerely believe this, you've been successfully brainwashed. Congrats. Numbness is your only friend.

If you don't believe it, why are you trying to convince a bunch of diehard progressives of the preposterous notion that the merchants of death, whose rightful home is the Republican party, haven't co-opted the Democratic party with their sell-out-to-the-highest-bidder and after-me-the-deluge philosophy?

[Kaleko]

92. Oops. That post was meant as a reply to cleveramerican's # 68.

[AlinPA]

75. "worthy adversaries"?

[Forkboy]

84. "Worthy adversaries"

You should hit the comedy circuit. :rofl:

[Bluerthanblue]

143. yours is probably the best response on this OP there

is.

Honest, and self-reflective.

I'm glad you are a mod. and thank you for being one.

:hi:

[Ganja Ninja]

72. Screw that.

How is the good of the nation served by pretending Republicans aren't the demons they are. They're wearing guns to town hall meetings for fuck sake! :wtf: :banghead: :eyes:

[tj2001]

73. Breaking news for ya: The GOP's precondition for "working it out"

is that there can be no bipartisanship without a Republican co-president

[DailyGrind51]

76. "They" are the "scorpian", we are the "frog", any time we carry them across the water,

we get stung!

[jberryhill]

77. As soon as they stop eating babies /nt

[olegramps]

78. How naive. The Republicans are obstructionists.

The Republicans have opposed every piece of legislation dating from FDR's Social Security to today's health care reform that would benefit the working class.

[hileeopnyn8d]

80. I thought I responded to this the first time around

Turns out I was confused, the thread I responded to was your "I repsect the Blue Dogs for standing in the way" thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8552354

[cleveramerican]

130. The votes aren't there and never were

so these democratic members should throw themselves on the sword for what exactly?

no progressive member will lose their seat if a public option gets traded away.

several moderate dems will likely lose theirs if it doesn't

quite the conundrum I know

[Douglas Carpenter]

81. short of renouncing health care reform, bombing Iran, pushing to overturn Roe/Wade,

returning prayer to public schools, abolishing the IRS, denouncing affirmative action, denouncing gay rights; basically reversing every position the Democrats are identified with on virtually every issue - the Republican Party will not believe the Democrats are cooperating or trying to be bipartisan.

Republicans are true believers. They don't believe in compromise.

No one was more "bipartisan" than Bill Clinton and they impeached him and genuinely considered him a left-wing extremist. The Republican Party of today is a lot more extreme than that group was in the 90's.

Wanting to compromise is noble. But unfortunately, short of calling upon all Democrats to renounce everything they have ever believed in and fought for, there is no alternative but to fight and fight and fight for what we know is right.

If this was the old traditional Republican Party of Gerald Ford or even Bob Dole - compromise would be possible. But it is not. The simple cold reality is, today's Republican Party is a party of extremist authoritarians who are convinced that the progressive perspective is an un-American - anti-Christian plot to destroy America.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

103. +1

Best.OP.response! :thumbsup:

[Douglas Carpenter]

105. well thanks! I honestly do wish compromise was possible like it was in LBJ

days when there were Republicans, actually quite a few, who were not right-wing crazies. But such creatures have sadly gone extinct.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

106. Sadly, you're so right

The last of the "sane" Republicans left in the 90's when the "GOPAC Zombies" started arriving en masse and taking over the party. One of my Senators, Richard Lugar, is one of the few remaining "sane" Republicans I can think of at the moment.

[Douglas Carpenter]

121. I agree with you that Sen. Lugar fits into the non-insane category

I suppose Sen. Snowe and Sen. Collins as well. That makes three out of forty Republican Senators. But, I can't think of any others. Perhaps there are one or two more.

I wonder how much longer traditional Republicans can stand remaining the last remaining non-dangerous inmates in the insane asylum taking over by the loonies.

[Aramchek]

82. not very clever, are you?

[Dinger]

85. Shit, I Thought This Was April 1st

Guess not.

[Splinter Cell]

86. Sorry, but that's wrong.

The Republicans are a bunch of useless ass-hats. Useless. They have no interest in anything but their own profits and keeping Obama from doing what needs to be done.

[mariawr]

93. When they stop demonizing Dems. nt

[polichick]

94. I agree - it's time to start ridiculing them, the brainless twits. nt

[depakid]

97. That may have been dumbest thing you've said yet

And that's saying something!

[FlaGranny]

98. I find it difficult

to stop demonizing those who act like demons. However, an incremental step, certainly being better than standing still, is still deeply frustrating when we have so far to go. I fear the country will soon return to fearful conservatism, and no further progress will be made for another 10 or 20 years. How many people must die in that time? Let's see - 18,000 per year who lack health care die, x10 equals 180,000, x20 equals 360,000 people who may - DIE. It really is not acceptable.

[Life Long Dem]

99. We go it alone on the health bill

and from then on out we wonder why we ever needed the repubs in the first place! Think it gets better for the repubs? Think again! :rofl:

[iceman66]

100. I agree.

We (meaning our leaders) should just ignore them completely and pass our agenda without any attempt at 'bipartisanship'.

[NC_Nurse]

101. Have you watched Fox before? All they do is demonize US 24/7. It's hard to

maintain a position of "statesmanship" when the other side is a bunch of rabid provocateurs.

[cleveramerican]

125. so we should emulate those we oppose?

what is gained by that?

[Arugula Latte]

134. Yeah, being wimpy and passive has worked so well for us.

:eyes:

[cleveramerican]

138. and being rotten bastards worked out so well for them

"we must forever conduct our struggle on the high plain of dignity and discipline"
Is not only a great Dr. King quote
Its also good advice for the democratic party right now.

[Fire1]

108. You will be hard pressed to sell that load around here! n/t

[MadMaddie]

109. Ummm....President Obama had used the olive branch since

November and everytime the Repugs try to twist his intentions, they pretend to work for the good of the people and then turn around and say they are intentionally fucking up the process.

Wisdom dictates that after getting kicked in face and losing several teeth that the nice guy say Fuck it....I have work to do and no one is going to impede my progress.

The Repugs do not wish to work with Presdent Obama and the Dem Congress, the do not wish to do anything on behalf of the American people.
They do not wish to be diplomatic, they are arguing but they offer no real solutions to real problems plaguing our country.

This message should be going to the Repugs but it would fall on deaf ears.

[malletgirl02]

111. I agree

Obama and the democrats in Congress have been more than fair to the Republicans. The stimulus, the Democrats let the Republicans have many amendments, but only about 4 Republicans voted for it. As for the health care reform bill. the Democrats have let the Republicans have 100 amendments. Do you know that the amendments added by the Republicans cause the whole "death panel" controversy? They add all these amendments and have the nerve to say the bill is too long. Obama reaches out and the Republicans continue to lie.

[opihimoimoi]

112. The GOP BULLY WHINERS Rejects olives, demands total control

They will get their asses nx year

[Rosa Luxemburg]

113. The GOP doesn't play ball

why should we be nice to them?

[dionysus]

114. wisdom. your posts don't have it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

117. Wisdom from Adlai Stevenson:

If the Republicans will stop lying about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.


---Adlai Stevenson


:toast:

[polichick]

118. Perfect! nt

[me b zola]

119. You are really not so clever

[Jim Sagle]

122. Whadda buncha shit.

[mwb970]

128. But they *are* demons.

Republican = Criminal
Conservative = Selfish Jerk

This is the New Math that millions of Americans are now learning. Personally, I am so sick of right-wingers I could scream. I thought things would get better when we won everything, but if anything it's worse.

If the wackaloons are this crazy and unhinged after seven months, how will they possibly handle four or eight years?

Go ahead and demonize them. Why not? They're frackin' demons sent from Hell to torment Real Americans.

[baldguy]

131. Compromise is a two-way street. And so far the Dems *ARE* the only sincere party.

When the same Repugs Obama is negotiating with publicly say they will not support the very compromise they themselves are working on - Obama & the Dems aren't the problem.

[Enrique]

133. we should stop beating our wives too n/t

[saltpoint]

135. We can make nice when the Republicans are ready to.

In the meanwhile I say we punch back frequently and fiercely.

[tj2001]

139. What planet are you on?

[Bluerthanblue]

141. if 'we' become 'them' then they have won-

"Demonizing" the Republicans is only becoming them.

There are far too many honest, genuine, salient criticisms which can be made about most of the stands taken by the republicans- collectively and on an individual basis. We can do that, and continue to work towards unity for our country.

Which is not completely possible, but if we don't work towards it, we WILL destroy ourselves.

Your message isn't going to be popular, but most of the hard truths in this world aren't.

I'm k&r-

:hi: