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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:50 AM
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salon: My GOP: Too old, too white to win


My GOP: Too old, too white to win


A Republican looks at the numbers and sees disaster ahead, unless his party figures out how to be less -- caucasian


By Bill Greener

link: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/20/gop_math/?source=newsletter

snip: "In 1976, 90 percent of the votes cast in the presidential election came from non-Hispanic whites. In 2008, John McCain won this vote by a 56-43 margin. Had John McCain run in 1976 instead of 2008, not only would he have won, but he would have won the popular vote before a single non-white vote was cast. So, despite all the chatter about the impact of Sarah Palin, despite the unpopularity of President Bush, despite the difficulty of the same party winning a third consecutive national election, despite the charisma of Barack Obama (and the love shown to him by the mainstream media), despite the financial meltdown of September, despite any other factor anyone can cite, if John McCain had been the candidate at a time when non-Hispanic whites were the overwhelming majority of the voters, he would be president now.

What happened? By 1988, the non-Hispanic white vote had shrunk to 85 percent; by 2004, it was about 77 percent; and in 2008, it had shrunk to 75 percent. Last November 13 percent of the electorate was black. Barack Obama won almost all this vote (97 percent). Between 8 and 9 percent of the electorate was Hispanic, a demographic Obama won by a 2-to-1 margin (compared to the 40 percent Bush had won in 2004). That means before the first non-Hispanic white vote was counted, the score was 19-3 for Obama. When you think about the numbers, it's not that surprising that this past Thursday the first black president addressed the centennial convention of the NAACP. A signal achievement, certainly, an unprecedented event, but not a mathematical shock.

But wait -- there's more statistical gloom for Republicans. Just about 18 percent of the vote was cast by voters between the ages of 18 and 30. As a percentage of the overall vote, this did not constitute any sort of meaningful increase -- despite what the pundits were saying. However, since total turnout was up, it did mean more young voters went to the polls. Worse, for Republicans, these voters went to Obama by a margin of 2-to-1. Chances are that now they've got the voting habit, a lot of them will keep turning up on Election Day, and keep voting Democratic.

Then, you have increased support for Obama and other Democrats from cities and close-in suburbs. So, in the major metropolitan areas -- where diversity is nearly a religion -- you have strong support for Obama from virtually every quarter. Guess what else is located in these urban locations? For starters, you have the major media outlets. Is it any wonder that coverage of the election took on the tone of Obama's election being a virtual certainty? In these locations, Obama was running so strong, it was hard for those observing to see how he could lose. John McCain's strength came from locations that generally were not the subject of much attention by the national media."

snip: "Unless and until Republicans can demonstrate an ability to attract more support from minority voters, from younger voters, from voters living in urban areas, it seems to this die-hard Republican that we are kidding ourselves if we think the 2008 election was just a speed bump on our road to a lasting majority. Looking at nothing more than the math, it appears to me our challenge is far more daunting."

link to full article:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/20/gop_math/?source=newsletter


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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:19 AM
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1. Well, start by recruiting more Latinos...Oh wait - Sotomayor - forget it.
Well, then get more blacks...wait - Obama, the socialist African non-president. The Jews? Never wanted them, anyway. Catholics? Pat Buchanan's OK, but they just ain't American enough with them statues and stained glass windows an' the Pope...
Young folks? Lots of them are Democrat now, but maybe the'll grow into it when we show 'em what we got...

What do we have, again....????

markO8)
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:45 AM
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6. ....
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 06:46 AM by Q3JR4
That would be non-socialist African president.

Q3JR4
Would also have accepted "false socialist" as well as "socialist (not really)".
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:33 AM
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11. Q: Whatever, he's still a Demoncrat.....
The idea of the GOP trying to widen its base while making its base more exclusive is greatly amusing...and they don't seen to understand where they are going wrong!!!!!

:rofl:

markO8)
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:23 AM
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2. I wonder if Bill Greener and I were watching the same confirmation hearings?
"Perhaps we are seeing the start of a level of sensitivity to how the Republican label is perceived among voters of Latin descent. As one observes the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to become the next Supreme Court Justice, it is clear Republicans on the committee are determined to be respectful, even admiring of what it means for her to be nominated. To be sure, some of the questions have been tough. Nevertheless, all seem to be aware that anything said or done that even remotely could be construed as not appreciating how important all of this is to the Hispanic community is simply unacceptable. This is certainly an improvement in what has tended to be the case in the past."

Boggles the mind, it does.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:45 AM
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4. Who the hell is this Greener guy?
Is he from Bizarro world?

I did not watch all the confirmation hearings, but from what I saw and heard, they have lost the Hispanic vote forever. That was the only part of it that made me laugh. They were so incredibly rude and mean-spirited that I was nearly breathless with shock. They made it very clear that they thought Sotomayor should have been cleaning the bathrooms instead of aspiring to the highest court in the country.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:46 AM
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7. living in an alternative universe
Obviously that interpretation of the Sotomayor hearings is wacko. Although it does demonstrate that he is a real Republican who really is worried about how demographic realities and their voting trends fair poorly for the GOP for the foreseeable future.

If Bill Greener is one of the more enlightened Republicans who genuinely does see the need to reach out to Hispanic voters - imagine the alternative reality of those who do not recognized the need - which is almost all of them. The vast overwhelming majority of Republicans would be a lot less astute in their ideas about how to send positive messages to the Hispanic community than him.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:02 AM
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13. I stopped reading at "Love shown by the MSM"
this guy's a loony Beck-loving nut case.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:35 AM
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18. that part is obviously nuts. Anything to the left of FOX News is leftist propaganda
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 09:51 AM by Douglas Carpenter
to most Republicans these days.

But he does lay out the demographic reality and does recognize that for the Republican Party to be viable on the national scene it has to become more accommodating to non white, young and urban voters.

But he is absolutely clueless when it comes to what could make that possible. Perhaps he thinks some new gimmicks will work. As if attending a Cinco de Mayo celebration or perhaps breaking a pinata at birthday party will convince Hispanic voters that they have their interest at heart.

If he cannot recognize what is wrong with the Sotomayer confirmation hearings and I am sure he is more enlightened than most, I don't think we have to worry too much about the GOP making many inroads.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:29 PM
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23. non-white, non-rural, non-male voters, do you think they'll win these hearts?
:rofl: I somehow doubt it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:04 AM
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14. Yes, "you got some splainin' to do" is a show of respect
in the GOP old white man world
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:24 AM
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16. Oh, but they loved Desi Arnaz which shows that they are not bigots.
:crazy:
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:04 AM
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15. It truely does boggle the mind, tsuki

It exposes just how deep a problem the republicans have, when Greener, who is writing about the problem can't (or won't) see the evidence of the problem.

To be sure, some of the questions have been tough. Some of the questions have held her to a standard that Alito was excused from. He doesn't think that's gonna be a problem?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:46 AM
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28. I thought the same thing!!
When I read that part I just thought, "yep. Definitely an old, white man."

Anyone who thinks that the Repubs have been "admiring" of Sotomayor is as clueless as they are blind. The folks in the Comments section aren't letting him off for that bit of idiocy either.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 02:43 AM
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29. Thanks for the tip. I hadn't thought of checking the comments section. I'm off. nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:35 AM
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3. too old, too white, and too much out of touch....out of ideas, out of time, and out of this world...
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:42 AM
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5. They'll never "get" it....
Anyone who believes that Sotomayor was treated with respect at the confirmation hearings is just "lost". If the Republicans want to become relevant again they need to stop looking for the next "gimmick" that they hope will fool minorities and women into voting for them and actually create a platform that is inclusive. They just don't get it.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 12:19 PM
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21. All they have are gimmicks
They didn't see the women's vote stampede towards McCain after the primaries, and they haven't seen the black vote stampede towards them after hiring Steele.

You'd think they'd take a step back and say, "Whoa. No one's buying this. We need to provide ideas, not just on-the-surface gimmicks." They don't have a clue. And the one person who does have a clue (Meghan McCain - the youth vote, hello!), they disparage and ignore.

And that's fine with me! :bounce:
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:06 AM
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8. so how's Palin going to play this?
what minority support is she going to siphon off? Especially when her KKK supporters are yelling racial ephithets at her rallies?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:56 AM
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9. "die-hard republicans" is a euphemism for
what exactly?

LOL.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:22 AM
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10. I cannot imagine what a die-hard Republican is these days
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 08:57 AM by Douglas Carpenter
A couple decades ago, people who tended to identify with the establishment tended to vote Republican. The local banker, school principle, clergy from mainstream churches, country club members and shop owners all tended to identify with the Republican Party. The Republican Party was the party of the respectable pillars of the community.

These days the Republican Party is dominated by right-wing/hardline fundamentalist, home schoolers, gun enthusiast who borderline on survivalist and just plane vulgar and ignorant bigots. They now rule the Republican Party. A movement which once had William F. Buckley as its leading intellectual guide now has the likes of Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh providing its only significant intellectual leadership. A fringe which once was a necessary embarrassment to the Republican Party now leads it. "The loonies have taken over the insane asylum," as they say.

If it continues on its current path, the term, "a respectable Republican" will be a non sequitur. Any association of the Republican Party with Noblesse oblige is already becoming a distant memory of the past.
.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:56 AM
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12. Funny how the Dems might now be considered the mainstream party
Repubs are just too crazy and lots of people jumped ship to be an independent or Dem.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:28 AM
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17. K&R
:kick:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:45 AM
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19. The GOP is showing us what they mean by Shock and Awe
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 09:47 AM by lunatica
Can't you tell? This is exactly what they thought we would be like while they shoved their agenda up the US ass. They told us as much.

And people don't believe in karma...

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 12:11 PM
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20. Poor babies.
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 12:11 PM by AspenRose
:nopity:

Oh, brother. This is the consequence of the "southern strategy," you idiots. But what else would we expect from a party who hates progress, when faced with progress? Ignoring progress does not make it go away.

It's not the demographics...it's the ideology, stupid! :think:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:07 PM
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22. a kick for the next shift
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:31 PM
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24. Michael Steele isn't old and white
while the party is full of many racists, old and white would not be a problem if they were better on the issues.

a black man like Steele or a woman like Palin doesn't make their crap any more appealing.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:55 PM
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25. How about if they just become less ... insane and racist?
I listened to Rachel tonight with that segment on the Repub politician and his town hall meeting overrun by Birthers, and it was some scary *.

Hekate


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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:12 AM
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26. Just name me one
Republican administration in which civil rights made advances in this country, just one. Can't do it, can you. Their problem is ideology, and instead, they're looking for smoke and mirrors.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:13 AM
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27. so Greener blames minorities for the lack of GOP success?
And here I thought it was just because their policy ideas were retarded. Silly me.
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