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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:36 PM Original message |
What is "affordable" healthcare? |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. There should be no such thing |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But clearly in this current "Reform" context, people are promoting it with the concept of affordable |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. $100,000 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Bingo. The word "affordable" should NEVER be used in the same sentence with "health care" |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. Family of four = 150.00 full coverage, no deductibles, no co pays, no limits for dental, eyes, menta |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. That seems beyond affordable. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. It costs less than that in Canada, and other European countries. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I live in Canada. I just outlined my plan |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. They are talking about sin tax, taxes on tobacco, booze, gambling etc., |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Sin tax for this is a bit ridiculous for this |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I agree, but that's what they are talking about. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. When did the debate change from access to health care to affordable health |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I thought it was supposed to be about both. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Well, if that's the case, they have it ass backwards. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I don't think it is a distraction at all, and it is very important to the debate |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Access to insurance. That is the problem. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Affordabiliy is one of the key issues. US health insurance costs rise nearly twice as fast as pay. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Apparently you got your stats from the industry. Now try to go |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. "Nothing will be affordable to them as long as this sick corporate system is allowed to continue." |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It can't. It shouldn't. Health care access shouldn't be measured by affordability. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Health care should most definitely be affordable, and it should be a priority to make it so |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. You make a point that needs to be clarified. In a true single payer universal |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. But...unfortunately... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. They seem to have to complicate something that could be simpler and |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I have been a staunch supporter for single payer health system for a long time. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Free and not a penny more! |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. But that is incoherent with the "public-option" reform |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. free is a misnomer in this case |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. Affordable health care won't do any good until we have quality health care. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. That is easy to say if you already have coverage by a health plan. |
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wildflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. I agree with those saying it should be about equal access to health care for all, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Well, Im not asking about it in what should be, but what will be (multipayer/public-option reform) |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. It means insurance companies will still rob us blind. nt |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. It seems like no one can answer this question in the context of the reform (including politicians) |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. whatever diminishes insurance company (that is, bank) profits the least |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
28. Affordable? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Im trying to ask this in the context of this new reform |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. In that case I honestly don't know..... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. In those systems, affordability is inherently built straight into the system |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
31. Look, I guess what I was sort of asking for.... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. OK, then just say 1% above the worlds average but now the avg per yr cost is 7900 |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Though, not everyone would have to pay that with a subsidy |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
35. It is code for "less outrageously unrealistically expensive". |
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busymom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
44. I think you raise an interesting and important question.... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. "If your boss said that you had to do more work for the same or less pay" |
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