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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:44 AM Original message |
‘Evangelistic’ scientist tapped to lead National Institute of Health |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Way to grasp at straws, Jgraz. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. A brilliant choice |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You are appreciated, Grantcart... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I don't need to undermine his science credentials |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. So believing in God makes him unqualified? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Believing that God is directly responsible for phenomena that he studies disqualifies him |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. What would be wrong with either that physicist or that cosmologist? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. What's wrong is that both "scientists" directly and fundamentally reject the scientific method |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. That is because he is a strong believer in Christianity? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
117. No, He's an anti-scientific proselytizer. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. In between leading the fields of genetic research and scientific ethics, yes, he hates science. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Yeah, he really does. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #118 |
332. He has NOT lead the fields of genetic research - he's been an administrative head of a division of |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. In his personal beliefs, yes. Not in his work, as evidenced by his solid research on genetics. |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
200. What? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #200 |
215. "Those statements are simply irreconcilable" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. So reconcile them. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #218 |
238. I don't have to. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #238 |
314. You don't *have* to do anything |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #215 |
239. There is a medical theory supporting the resurrection of christ? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #239 |
258. There doesn't need to be. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #200 |
240. No they aren't |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
196. plus the fact that NO archaelogical evidence was found |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
266. Neither Einstein nor Stephen Hawkins were/are atheists. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #266 |
308. His name is HAWKING.... |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Wow, where did YOU get your PhD in a science? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Where did you get your PhD in straw men? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
185. University of Telluria. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
101. Name one area where you disagree with his science? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. I don't disagree with his science. I disagree with the superstition he pretends is science |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
128. The theories around the creation of the universe are entirely irrelevant to nearly everything |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. It would also be irrelevant if he was a raging homophobe |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. an acclaimed genetic scientist is and anti-scientific bigot? the fuck you are smoking? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I'm "smoking" actual information about who this guy is |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
177. Umm...no. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #177 |
201. Now be honest: had you heard of Francis Collins before today? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #201 |
212. Yeah, actually I have... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #212 |
219. Based on what evidence? |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #219 |
237. Nice try - |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #237 |
272. My apologies. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. I wouldn't want a bigot like Richard Dawkins in charge of the NIH either. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Anyone who says atheism is "blind faith" is a bigot |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #115 |
305. You paid 3k for a laptop? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #305 |
313. No, my employer did. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
127. So long as they properly observe the phenomena they study, what they believe is not |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. But he's not being hired as a researcher, he's being hired as the head of NIH |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #133 |
142. He has never supported creationism nor intelligent design. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Yes, he has. He just calls it "evolutionary creationism" or BioLogos |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
167. I hate to break this to you |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. You are right. Collins shares many beliefs with people from preceding centuries |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #175 |
274. including those of *some of the greatest scientists* from this and earlier |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
249. not to mention... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
264. Wow, I can't believe you are advocating job discrimination based on religion. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
91. I'm glad you aren't president |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. WELL, as Original Poster would order this world... |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. You are absolutely right! |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
333. He did not do work on decoding the human genome - he was administrative head of that division of the |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. +1,000 |
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Ocracoker16 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Grantcart- thank you for telling the whole story |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
48. Thanks. Great post. n/t |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
107. Thanks for pulling out all that info. It's all good to know. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
109. Fundie whack jobs don't belong in government jobs. This is a SECULAR nation. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
129. So we need to apply a religious test for all civil service positions? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #129 |
145. No, you just need to not appoint stealth religious bigots to scientific posts |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
180. Thanks grantcart! I have no problem with Christians who are compassionate and logical. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
338. Thank you, Mr. Cart! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't see how those beliefs conflict with the NIH job |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Collins believes our sense of morality is a gift from God |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. You speak as though you have read all of his work, know ALL of his |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Ah, more straw men. You'll get your degree in no time |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. you're cranky. i guess this attempted poutrage-fest isn't working out like you planned... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. It's working out pretty much like I expected. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. when pwned, attempting to play the "i'm a better democrat than you" card, eh? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Than you? No "card" is needed |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. obviously, you have taken getting destroyed on this thread personally... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
111. No, I find the flat-out ignorance of Collins and his agenda depressing |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. It's kind of funny to watch you call the director of the Human Genome Project "ignorant." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #113 |
135. dude, instead of climbing out of the hole, he's digging that mofo deeper and deeper... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
137. Poor wording. I wasn't calling him ignorant. I was calling you ignorant. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #137 |
182. OK... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. There are two ways to read that. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. The "ultimate weapon" is one vote against putting a thread on the Greatest Page? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. why do you stifle dissent, you hopestepping dlc thug? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. This thread is now very unlikely to get on the Greatest page! Do you feel the power?! |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
140. It's because of that Ayatollah Skinner and his determination to crush all dissent. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Why because we don't condone your bigotry |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. something you disagree with == bigotry? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. He "pushed a religious agenda" by writing a book saying that science and religion are compatible. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Have you read the book? It doesn't really say that |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. I've not been able to find anything by him suggesting we shouldn't perform any sort of research. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. He goes even farther. He denies the existence of research that doesn't support his religion |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. You researched and found out I only hold two master's degrees and |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
124. I know you're completely ignorant of Collins' views of science and religion |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #124 |
186. Wow |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
120. You fundamentally don't understand what an account is |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #120 |
194. I'm pretty sure I know what an "eyewitness account" is |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #194 |
243. While the Gospels were written some years after His death, you seem to neglect Paul. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #243 |
250. And still not an eyewitness account |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. lookin like a poutrage fail to me... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Only if you want a superstitious zealot setting our national scientific priorities. |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
55. Now he's a superstitious zealot? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Not just now. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why are you here? You obviously abhor all things Obama. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
13. I know you like to bash everything Obama does, but this is a stretch. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Have you read any of his writings? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Do you have any links to counterfactual/creationist beliefs of his? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. He believes the New Testament is a first-hand account |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Which has nothing to do with science. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
151. I missed the /creationist bit. Collins is an avowed creationist. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #151 |
184. If you think BioLogos=creationism, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. That's why it's called "evolutionary creationism". Cuz it's not creationism. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. Actually, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. That is NOT what Collins believes. He expressly differentiates his views from "theistic evolution" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Looks like the unrecommend will be used to squelch criticism |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. As predicted |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. As predicted, the vocal minority will complain at being exposed as such. nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. you hopestepper. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. +1. n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. no, there just not enough bitter complainers to rec something to the greatest page because |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Exactly right. The problem was that the minority of bitter folks were hyperactive reccers, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Awesome. You finally got the little club you always wanted |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Your post not being on the greatest page = no critical thinking allowed? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. No critical posts being on the GP == no critical thinking allowed. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Why does the GP determine this? Anyone actually going in the forums can view any thread they want. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. "critical thinking" != "critical posts." |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. No More Critical Thinking=Trolls Can No Longer Pile Up The Recommends |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Right. They're upset that we can now engage in critical thought on their piles of shit. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. It's Actual Democracy! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. With a capital D-L-C |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. yes, DU is run by the DLC..... keep trying... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. LOL!!!!! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. It's bad that DUers can vote up/down on threads because we don't think the right way. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. no, see, our club *dwarfs* your club. most DUers don't post in these ridiculous threads |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. No, see, you were the one with the mindless little club. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Deleted sub-thread |
Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
98. Yep. What a horrible idea. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
131. It can be used judiciously to shoot down useless criticism that is poorly considered. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #131 |
190. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how it's going to be used |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
181. How deeply ironic. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
183. "I don't think that was the purpose" |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. I predict that the OP is not going to like the unrec feature in DU very much |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. None of us should like it if it is used to stop criticism |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. mad, cannot you see the difference between valid criticism and this steaming pile of OP? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Don't you see? You can just ignore posts you don't like |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You have always been able to ignore the posts you don't like |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. well, to tell you the truth, i don't even use the greatest page. i suspect most people go straight |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. I seldom go to the greatest page....I seldom get on it either. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Then you shouldn't really have a problem with a system that only affects the Greatest page. nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Just like we can Rec we can Unrec. I don't see the big deal. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:51 PM Original message |
It's not stopping criticism. If it has 1000 unrecommends, it still doesn't disappear. It just |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. End of Story...however the poster seems to like buliding some DRA-MA. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. How does it stop criticism? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. How does calling a pile a shit a pile of shit STOP the criticism? Nothing is being censored.... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Holding an open up/down vote on whether things belong on the greatest is not "stopping criticism." |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
62. But criticism of YOU should be forbidden. You people are all for censorship - of your critics. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Who are referring to...me? "you people" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. "You people?" Obviously you are a racist. nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. (shrug) I keep offering to replace that with "you whiny ass titty babies".... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Some of my best friends are whiny-ass titty babies. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I suspect it's a tomato-tomato sort of difference. :) |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
100. The methodology used by the OP in this instance is exactly like FOX News |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #100 |
130. Again, you're arguing from a position of abject ignorance |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I don't think many will. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Deleted message |
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74. Deleted sub-thread |
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. So full of shit, so little time! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. ... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
123. Aw, Frenchie |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
85. "leading pioneer in human genome research"... |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
329. Actually, he didn't DO any genome research - he was just head of that section at the NIH, |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
88. THE MOST UNRECOMMENDED thread of all time. Funny thing about history.. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. +1. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
122. Until the next thread critical of Obama comes up |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #122 |
141. i think you've covered looking like a fool enough for everyone on this thread today.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. Just cuz you say it doesn't make it true |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. judging by the fact that all you have left are personal insults, i think you're almost out of gas. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. When you say something of substance, I'll respond in kind |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #148 |
197. I will do the same for you.......but only if you |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. Congratulations on Godwinning yourself out of rational conversation |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
92. Unlike you, I read Francis Collins' book |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Great post! Tolerance for religious believers, we DO allow this in |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Not only do we allow it, but given how OP's intolerant rantings were smacked down |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Well, even SOME agnostics and atheists I know are more tolerant than the OP! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I don't think I know anyone who would claim |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
162. And I have claimed no such thing |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #162 |
195. His Scientific "beliefs" Isn't that a contradiction in terms? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Not to Collins. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. +1. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. I've read his book. I found it ridiculous and intellectually dishonest. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. Dr. Collins did a fantastic job with the human genome project. I don't care what his opinion on the |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
105. So a brilliant scientist finds a way to reconcile science with his religious beliefs. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. No, a brilliant scientist uses his position to proselytize his own anti-scientific ideology |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Claiming a world-renowned scientist has an "anti-scientific ideology" is silly, jgraz. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Have you read his book? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I think I've had enough ignorant bigotry for one afternoon, but thanks for the suggestion. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. You may wish to look up the words "ignorant" and "bigotry" |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #126 |
138. It does not seem that his religious views have impeded his ability to produce |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #138 |
149. Then let him continue his research. Just keep him away from policy. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #138 |
331. Just because he's been the **administrative** head of a division of the NIH doesn't mean that he's |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #126 |
204. While I have never met the man |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #204 |
209. I'm glad he helped you and your son |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
150. This is more stupid than my locked Micheal Jackson thread |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Isaac Newton was also a deep believer in alchemy and astrology |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. That's right, he did |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Except I haven't said that he's disqualified because he's merely a "person of faith" |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. That is simply rubbish |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Just the opposite.. the article from Pew Research |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. You seem to have missed some of my posts. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #165 |
251. ruh-roh Collins believes that atheists are "irrational" practitioners of "blind faith". |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. And look at all the harm to science he did. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Advancing science does not automatically qualify someone to head a government institute |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
154. Oh damn, I forgot my favorite bit about Collins |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. But it's *true* |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
158. Has he appointed anyone who is |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. That wouldn't be bipartisan, now would it? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. The purging of the left is almost complete. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
166. ‘Evangelistic’ scientist?? |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. Yeah, he was only the head of National Human Genome Research Institute |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I know who he is smart ass.... |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
168. Religulous: Bill Maher interviews Francis Collins... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. A good primer on Collins' intellectual dishonesty |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. Excellent link. n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #168 |
178. Good one --- |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
170. Einstein was an absolute idjit too |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Einstein used it as a mataphore...nothing more...nt |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #172 |
248. I'm not sure what a "mataphore" is |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. I think you may be confused as to who the "absolute idjit" is |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #174 |
247. not believing in a "personal" god does not equate to atheism |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #247 |
252. Never said it did. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #252 |
256. ok, stupid and old are off |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #256 |
260. NO. You really need to read some of Einstein's writings |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #260 |
276. for the love of all that is pure and good...and for the love of god, you asked for it |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #276 |
277. This post wins the award for X-treme Smack Down n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #276 |
298. You've never read a single book on Einstein or Spinoza, have you? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #298 |
323. actually I've read a few books about Einstein |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #323 |
337. You have to put the quotes in context |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #170 |
202. You are quite mistaken about Einstein's beliefs |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #202 |
254. mebbe. then again, mebbe not. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #254 |
297. How much clearer can you get? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #297 |
324. Einstein didn't believe in a "personal" god |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
179. I'd like to know his position on |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #179 |
189. I doubt you'd get an honest answer to any of those |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
187. We need a different Appointer In Chief |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
203. Dr. Collins is responsible |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. The key to that was his discovery of positional cloning, for which he deserves no end of praise |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. "for which he deserves no end of praiseq...but keep him the hell away from the policy" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Hey, maybe Obama should appoint James Watson, co-discoverer of the double-helix |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. "Sometimes being a brilliant scientist is not enough." And |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Well, it does seem idiotic for you to complain about my posts without ever refuting them |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Look, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. In this case, yes. My declaration carries more weight. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. . |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. And the weightlessness continues... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. OK, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. You can only un-rec once, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. Is that what you're in it for |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. No. I'm legitimately pissed at this appointment |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. Of course you are. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. You remember some funny shit. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Oh, now you're laughing? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. You never post evidence |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. . |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #228 |
229. I'm not the one who's about to spend 20 minutes grubbing through the DU archives |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. I misstated the point, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. Then why haven't you posted it? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. "Go ahead, I dare you." |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #227 |
241. Good point! Why use "scientific" evidence when bigotry and being |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #241 |
246. Or, you could just crow about your alleged degrees and compare people to Hitler |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #207 |
280. but Collins is not really a "brilliant scientist" - pretty widely regarded as an idiot |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #280 |
301. I only know his scientific work from the Human Genome Project |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #301 |
330. Actually, jgraz, apparently he didn't actually do any scientific work on the Human Genome Project - |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #330 |
336. Oh yeah, I know |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
224. OMG, what a wreck! K&U.... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #224 |
233. Yes... this thread is major league FAIL |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. I've seen more interesting shit in my cat's litterbox than this wreck of an o.p. |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
235. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #235 |
244. . |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #244 |
340. WTF |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
236. I don't find this man's views disturbing at all |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #236 |
273. Here's what's disturbing |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #273 |
303. I would vehemently object to that |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #303 |
304. I don't think so |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #304 |
306. Perhaps not |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
242. Your demonetization of Dr. Collins is troubling. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #242 |
245. I took his money? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
253. Perfectly acceptable |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #253 |
255. Really, so James Watson would also be a good choice? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #255 |
257. one more time... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #257 |
259. Do you have any original thoughts to add? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #259 |
261. I have one: You are way too angry about this! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #261 |
263. I would suggest that most of the people on this thread aren't nearly angry enough |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #263 |
267. OY |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #267 |
268. Oh FFS, if you're going to join a thread, at least have the courtesy to READ some of it |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. Do you really think you are one to ask that others have the courtesy to do anything? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. In this case, yes. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #271 |
275. Oh but I did and here is what I saw |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #275 |
278. Ah, I get it. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #278 |
282. Bwahhhhaaaa |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #282 |
287. OK, let me lay it out for you in a nutshell |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #287 |
309. You really do sound like the Archie Bunker of Atheism |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #309 |
312. Oh boy... |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #259 |
279. religion lives in the realm of philosophy |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #255 |
339. You are just the other side of the same ignorant coin |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
262. Oh is this fail thread still up? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
265. I tried to recommend this thread but it was after hours, so I'll just say that there are |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #265 |
269. You just nailed the core of my objection to Collins' appointment |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #269 |
283. and here's a non-Einstein quote for good measure |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #283 |
284. This is the heart of the matter |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #284 |
286. you left out the word "almost" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #286 |
294. Ok, one does NOT have to *almost* believe in a higher power |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #294 |
307. I *love* science, but I'm sorry to inform you that |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #307 |
310. If you understand evolution, you still should know the answer |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #310 |
320. I asked first |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. OK |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #283 |
285. Just because our minds cannot grasp the scientific complexity of an issue, it's okay |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #285 |
291. that's not at *all* what I was attempting to say |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
281. Spoke w/ some friends who are well-connected in molecular-biological circles -- |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #281 |
289. Awesome, care to name them? |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #289 |
292. obviously I don't want to reveal the identity of the people I spoke with. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #281 |
290. I tend to take those kinds of characterizations of *anybody* |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
293. Perfectly reasonable that you would take it w/ a huge grain of salt. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #293 |
296. I didn't ask you to reveal your sources |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #296 |
299. I hear where you're coming from, and you make good points. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #299 |
311. the entire question and answer section of biologos.org |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #311 |
315. You can be a creationist and still believe in evolution |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #315 |
317. that's the overview to the discussion I posted above |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #317 |
318. You may find this interesting |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #318 |
326. interesting table |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #281 |
295. As always, follow the money |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #295 |
300. so I've skimmed through some of the biologos.org site |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #300 |
302. Yep. it's mostly dedicated to applying science to Christian apologetics |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #302 |
316. first, Collins consistently uses science to refute the YEC's and ID's |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #316 |
319. Sadly, Collins is looking more and more like a stealth fundie |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #319 |
321. Um, did you read the info at the link you provided? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #321 |
327. These guys are pure evil |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
322. If the guy is good at what he does, who gives a damn about his religion? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #322 |
334. His religion IS what he does. That's the problem. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #334 |
335. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
328. This thread is roarin'! /nt |
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