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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:57 PM Original message |
Some Folks Think Obama Promised…. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R. n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. It is refreshing to see a post from someone who paid as close, if not closer, attention to the |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Payin attention is a rare American attribute.... |
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D-Lee (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
134. Very helpful post -- thanks so much for paying attention (n/t) |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Yep, Would Have Been Nice If People Paid More Attention To John Edwards Instead Of Drink'n KoolAid! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
110. If they had paid more attention, they probably would have noticed that Edwards was |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
80. Cherry picking only works on the truly uninformed.Criticisms aren't from Not prosecuting Bush |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. They come from his refusal to bring transparency back to goverment by ending states secrets |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Something he did promise but is doing just the opposite. Ending rendition and |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. locking people up without due process or even chages.Ending gov spying |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. U piucked only what would support your claim without considering where he is failing |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Preventitive detention???Give me a break.Prolonged detention?-come on. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I support Obama and criticise him when he's wrong or fails to do what he promised. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. There are time limits on even being able to prosecute Bush/Cheney so it's like not doing it at all |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. If the only criticism Obama hears is from the right then he will only cater to them |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. We have a democratic platform and he is the head of the dem party so |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. expectations are normal regardless if he specifically promised each issue |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Get with trying to get Obama to do what we want instead of justifying what he hasn't done |
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ClusterFreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. I just have to say...regardless of anything else... |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. I agree. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #112 |
128. It's beyond annoying, and he/she/it never get's involved with discussions |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:18 AM Response to Reply #112 |
130. That's why I will not reply to it. It seems more interested in peeing on the tree |
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applexcore (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
127. If you want attention, get a dog |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've been humming this song a lot lately.... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I almost called this "I Beg Your Pardon, Obama Never Promised a Leftwing Rose Garden" |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. ha ha, do it while you still can! NT |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. I wrote a thread back in December titled, "I beg your pardon. He never promised you a rose garden:": |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
107. and didn't promise to release torture photos or reveal what he wants to keep secret. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Never promised he wouldn't jail us all with "preventive detention" either. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. That is it! He never promised us our own little Rose Garden! |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. And there will come a time in our lives.... |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
105. Ain't that the truth! |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
96. Yeah, some are just content to hum "At least he's not Bush" or "My Obama right or wrong" |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
101. Yeah, but he did imply one by carrying around all the seeds and the hoe |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Just couldn't "promise" one. Also didn't promise he wouldn't rape your sister but why think he would |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
73. I've been humming this one |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
111. John Lennon... Indeed! Wrote One Of The Greatest Songs Ever... Imagine!! n/t |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. indeed all the reasons i wasn't wild about him to begin with. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thanks for this, McCamy Taylor.. |
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R. P. McMurphy (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. K & R n/t |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. So very well said, McCamy Taylor. Thank you. |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. These are some of the reasons I supported Kucinich, then Edwards, |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. who was against the war before the others (except Kucinich) and had |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. At this point |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Try telling that to the 'whiners.' n/t |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. There you go with throwing facts at us, McCamy! |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. He Promised A Transparent Government |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. +1 |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. I don't think he has failed in this area |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. That is an interesting take |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
63. +2 |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
72. Thank you. There are plenty of reasonable expectations that Obama should be held to |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. they think Obama has a magic wand |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
17. excellent post |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. AMEN!!!!!! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. k&r. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. Thanks for this. The trolls, of course, are always busy spewing venom |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wrong, wrong, wrong |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. +1 What a bunch of OP bullshit. Talk about twisting the facts... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. And I note that no matter how many explain those facts |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
71. This is not "the Gay Communities problem" this is an American Problem |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
115. I'm NOT GLBT, I'm Just Hetero With A Sometimes Chauvinistic Husband.... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. There is a huge difference between what he promised and what people wish he had promised. n/t |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. So what? Just make shit up! |
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mullard12ax7 (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Are you making excuses for not prosecuting war criminals? PITIFUL |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yes he is. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. +1 |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. Aw, come on, you don't want to inject REAL LIVE QUOTES into this |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. Obama' actual words: |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #59 |
131. Well, the work has started, actually. DOD is battling this issue out. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. Some people think George W. Bush blamed Saddam Hussein for 9-11 |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. Great post. Right on the mark, IMO. nt. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
132. You're right that people don't get these mistaken impressions from nowhere, |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
32. And none of the troll brigade will reply in this thread... guaranteed |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Uh.......they already have. n/t |
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rhymeandreason (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
34. Thank you McCamy for your |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. Nice summary |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
69. That bothers me the most. He was NEVER ever for single payer. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. Here's a real live quote for ya |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Obama's Fingers Were Crossed Behind His Back |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You'll notice none of them have responded n/t |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
70. Yep. I think that one left a mark on their little coward hides. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
119. I did not respond because I already addressed this in the OP. In this quote |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
39. The LGBT entry is a towering strawman |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Great post, Prism |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
98. Yeah the post is filled with what he thinks we think Obama promised. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. K & R |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. Don't care what he campaigned on and not calling him a liar. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. I take issue with your tone that people were "forced" to vote for him |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Relax. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
78. Ah.. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
48. this may come as a huge shock to some people but... |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Like You, no matter how hard I try I can't accept that there are some above the law. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Sounds like you never supported him to begin with |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. He didn't, isn't, never will. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. That's not a rebuttal of the points raised though. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. it only sounds like that if that's what you want to hear. |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
50. Kick |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
51. Sounds Like Somebody Read One Too Many Words Of Bob Herbert's Column |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
57. When you re-spin it all your way, it is easy to make false points |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
61. Your spinning the strawman |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
82. Now, I'm a little confused... |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Here's a massive one: |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
123. Thank you |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
125. You apparently dont understand what a straw man is... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
62. I beg your pardon...... I never promised you a rose garden... |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
100. But I certainly did imply one and carried around the seeds with a hoe |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
64. Bull Sh... you left out the banks!!1 |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
99. And blindly supporting Israel's land grab and war crimes in Gaza.He refuses to do that. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
65. Thank you for this. The list could be longer but the point is made. K and R. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
66. It's not so much what he said, it's what people projected onto him. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
68. k |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
74. Look, he's "promised" quite a few things that he has either back tracked.......... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
118. There ya go. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
75. Nice try, but I doubt it'll help. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
76. Obama has admitted to changing his campaign positions on Marijuana, NAFTA. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
90. Thanks for that well thought out, factual analysis. nt |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
94. Thank you for this. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
95. Some food for thought... |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. What good was the entire post other than to justify what Obama hasn't done |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Just because he didn't "promise" not to nuke Iran I still expect him not to. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
103. I doubt President Obama would support the OP, unless he wants to be |
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elmerdem (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
109. Patience is a virtue. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
113. The vast majority of attacks on Obama from the left have been either baseless or poorly |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
114. Cool a very long Obama excuse/apologist thread n/t |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
116. Don't ask, don't tell? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
117. BOOKMARKED BOOKMARKED BOOKMARKED BOOKMARKED BOOKMARKED |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. You're welcome. I suspect that the right wing is partially to blame and that they have |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. They are definitely shopping the "broken promises" meme. (nt) |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
124. Once again, you have used facts against wishful thinking. |
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Holly_Hobby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
126. Here's a list of over 400 campaign promises... |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
129. He lost me when he compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
133. Obama is a right-wing authoritarian |
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