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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:52 AM
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Why is $1.6 trillion over 10 yrs too much to spend on health care, but fine for the Iraq War?
Just wondering. . . .
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:53 AM
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1. Cause guns make noise and and the bombs explode...
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:54 AM
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2. Why won't the media, Tell us all the facts. Like 1.6 Trillion doesn't include Public Option
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 09:54 AM by Thrill
A Public Option brings the cost down.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:05 AM
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4. Our own government refuses to tell us or the media the $$$ facts.
Three months ago, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland) told single payer supporters that he would seek to get the CBO to score single payer legislation (HR 676).
But Steny Hoyer backed off his pledge.

He never did get the CBO to score single payer.
Why?

Because it would show that under single payer, we'd pay what we are paying now - or less - and it would cover everyone.
Zero people left uninsured.
Zero people dead from lack of health insurance.
No more medical bankruptcies.
.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/18-2
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:53 AM
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9. You're right. My point was that even if it did cost $1.6 trillion with the public option . .
. . . which it won't, it's still less than what we will ultimately spend in Iraq from 2003 to 2013, which hardly raises an eyebrow.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:55 AM
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3. Financial Industry wants to soak us. (nt)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:06 AM
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5. Because the military-industrial complex & their running dogs are still in charge.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:07 AM
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6. we's being defrauded...
lookit 911! Man did mr pig ever score THAT TIME! And $50 TRILLION missing outta world economy!
Stealing candy from a baby is HARDER then dooming the grandkids of all the big tough men you see in unyforms/suits&ties!
Don't you guys just LOVE IT! (seeing the fascasti fukked utterly)?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:09 AM
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7. Who said it's "too much"? They're calculating costs and how to pay for it.
Oh, and by they way, just in case this slipped past you, GEORGE BUSH STARTED THE IRAQ WAR not the Obama administration, and it will continue to cost money until the administration effectively extricates itself from that mess, as it plans to do.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:06 AM
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23. Or until Congress cares enough to end it by
Stopping the war's funding...
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State the Obvious Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:12 AM
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8. It's difficult for the tiny-brained Republican base to calculate that comparison.
:crazy:

Of course in fairness, just count the times the Republican thugs forget to mention...... it's over 10 years time.

(Seriously, that is the half-truth that keeps on giving.)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:57 AM
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10. Because cowardly, faux-macho know-nothings can't swagger and bluster about health care...
...and their corporate cronies may not make as much money from health care.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:29 AM
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11. 'Cause once your out of the womb, you're a target
Fucking Republican logic.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:34 AM
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12. Its a good question!!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:50 AM
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13. Because it's easier to kill people than it is to heal them?
:shrug:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:10 PM
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14. Because we're not organized to push the agenda we want
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:14 PM
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15. If our blood was oil, we'd get more attention... otherwise, here's a bandaid for $120
Feel sick? Here's an aspirin for $50. You want a glass of Apple juice? No problem. Hmmm... only $45! What a deal!

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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:37 PM
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16. It's not. Nobody did their homework to figure out how much Iraq was going to cost
We got screwed.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:55 PM
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17. Because saving the lives of non-fetuses
is a waste of perfectly good money that could be better spent on killing brown people? Just a guess...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:58 PM
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22. Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a WINNAH!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 05:24 PM
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18. Goes back to the end of World War II, military spending is considered "untouchable"
Built on the false premise that the entire international system will collapse and the world will end if the US doesn't spend money on this or that weapons system. On the other hand we regard social programs with the notion that they are a luxury since everybody should technically be able to fend for themselves or "pull themselves up by their bootstraps".

When you are fighting against this mentality and entrenched interests that are responsible for it, you realize just how difficult to change things.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:34 PM
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19. The military industrial complex will get nothing from the heath care spending.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:02 PM
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20. The only argument against it is that it is not necessary
Weare ALREADY SPENDING all the money we need to care for everybody. All we need to do is to get the parasitic middlemen out of the way.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 11:19 PM
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21. Because killing people is more profitable ...
in the short run.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 12:41 AM
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24. Because the vast majority of people
are simple-minded, racist and belligerent and are susceptible to being brainwashed and fearmongered to support any war. They can't make the connection between spending money on war and not having money for healthcare. The only thing they understand is "support the troops."

If Obama invaded Iran tomorrow, 75% of the galoots in this country would support him. It could cost $100 billion, $1 trillion, $10 trillion or $100 trillion -- it wouldn't make any difference to them. What would be important to them is that we stopped the mullahs from getting nukes. And we supported the troops.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 07:36 AM
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25. because the military and their connected crony contractors
are even bigger socialists-in-denial than wall street...
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 07:59 AM
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26. One of the reasons is because the "Party of Life", (GOP), is
really the party of death. They have existed for many a year doing little more than scaring the hell out the citizenry, starting wars that did not need to be fought by this country, all the while not giving a damn who died in the process, (as long as they didn't have to suffer).

To them, life has a pricetag attached. These are the same people that allow children to go w/o basic immunizations for prevention and allow children to go to bed hungry at night. They are evil and they need to face the same circumstances they willingly put others in.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 08:11 AM
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27. It wasn't "fine" that we spent it on the Iraq War
and the fact that it is spent leaves us in the hole and unable to provide free care for people.

We simply don't have the money. Seriously, we are so screwed up financially, it keeps Obama and me up at nights.
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