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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:18 PM Original message |
This is why Democrats lose. THIS IS WHY DEMOCRATS LOSE! Don't you GET IT???!!!!!! |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Amen. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, some of us are our own worst enemies. Lots of them here. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. Change doesn't come by magic wand but by one foot in front of the other. |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I agree. Each block by block skirmish to get our way and GET OBAMA'S WAY will be tough |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. 72% of Americans agree. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
97. Unless he insists... |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
96. But, but... |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. n/t |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. YES! |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Incremental change. Wanting everything right now won't make it happen. |
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ThirdWorldJohn (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. Baucus is doing the bidding for his corporate whores. So what should we do? |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Obama has stated that he is unable to start from scratch for... |
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sisters6 (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. We do not even have a true public option--only a pretend on. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. Everyone must ask himherself what his/her honest priorities are and how to implement them. |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. could you help me? I'm curious what you mean by that |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. It's not uncommon for people who can get away with it to make a big deal |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. ahhh...got it. I do agree with your assessment. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Basic biological feedback loop, similar to others labled "The Holy Spirit" |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. i.e., the perfect is the enemy of the good. nt |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Yep. And folks don't want to commit to the Long Haul. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. I agree. The so-called "moderate centrist" Democrats are in alliance with the GOP and |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
44. I think nurse's associations should rally |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. I think we need the nurses and/or doctors to start coalition building and getting us organized. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
57. This means we MUST move to Campaign Finance and Voting Reform, otherwise |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Ding! ding! ding! We have a winner here! Until and unless we get congress away from corporate |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. Universal, Single-Payer Healthcare for all - it's cheaper, better, and it covers EVERYONE! |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. Great post. Now if we could send this to every spineless ... |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. OK, let's start with our fearless Leader. |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. What is it |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Because I think that he'll accept whatever Congress comes up |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Cynical!!! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Beacool's "side" did lose, ergo the nonstop ankle-biting. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. ZING |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
56. I stopped reading at the "fearless leader" part |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I just don't think that he's gutsy enough to fight all the special interests |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. PUBLIC FINANCED CAMPAIGNS. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
51. Corporations are not persons. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. That's right. Never, never give up. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
18. Stand up and defy all those who are pushing corporate run health care including Obama |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. So |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I stand for my own positions not for Obama's |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
74. that's fine. I do get what you're saying. but if your "weapon" to advocate is threat |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. If there is a step in the right direction I will cheer the step in the right direction. |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
46. then you are doomed to failure |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. No I am doomed to failure if I give up on my position just because you want me to |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
19. Keep calling, remember that the key Senators are getting calls to oppose reform |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Great point, andym. The first step in standing in the face of opposition is making YOUR |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
47. that's depressing but I believe it. it sounds like something they would do. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. these sorry asses not even fighting! |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. I've seen no particular evidence that Obama isn't on the same side of the fight "they" are. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
94. Which is why I usually call him |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. "We are in the very early stages of fighting for health care reform." |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. What no lets kick N.Korea's ass thread today? |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. yeah. I've read plenty of your pablum. what? not taking a break yet? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Well there is DU |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
26. Rather a damning insult to gnats. I am sure they would resent it if they lived long enough. |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
28. Sorry, but our work ended on election night. We no longer have to do anything |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. yup. you nailed the attitudes pretty well. the ones I love to hate are.... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. "Either Obama supports single payer or I'll work against him ... we end up having no reform at all." |
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Mira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. Yes and I will kick and Recommend this next |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
35. I could not agree more.. Last year, everyone was in agreement it would be a hard slog |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. agreed. well said. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. Why do gnats fly dirctly into my eyeball? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
38. Could not have said it any better myself, PretzelWarrior. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
39. We need a leader out there |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Wednesday - ABC - Obama Hosts Town Hall On Healthcare |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. he wants a leader. Oh...but I thought he's putting himself out there too much?! |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. I actually HOPE that there a few GOP "plants" |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
41. Health Care is when we will take to the streets |
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angee_is_mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
42. Amen Warrior |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
58. You're post is more exemplary of why and how we lose, in point of fact. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
60. "Learn the lesson from Iranian movement. You've got to stand in the face of opposition and DEFY THEM |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
62. But what if the M$M spin feels good to repeat? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
63. That's why we never should have taken single payer off the table. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Ask Senator Bernie Sanders. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
65. "We are in the very early stages of fighting for health care reform" |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
66. Aren't you the same guy who wanted to shell Iran last week? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I strongly believe a public option should cover trmt for bipolar disorder |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. no. I did not want the U.S. to shell Iran because of the election results |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You just want to "shell the nuclear installations" - You ARE the insane one who wants to BOMB Iran!! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. I don't have to paint you as anything. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. Yes, yes he is - he says so himself HERE!!! |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
75. "...Early stages..."!? Get a fucking clue, Grasshopper! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. I hear you. I bet he people rallying for a "prolonged fight" are probably |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
76. Amen. Weakening the President and the party before |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. What's lame is sitting there imagining that Obama is going to turn into |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. What's really lame is expecting Obama to be something that he never claimed to be |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Nail on the head! n/t |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. So if he's faced with an unforeseen problem we're SOL? THAT'S lame thinking! n/t |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Lame and stupid is believing that the "President," ANY President, is accorded... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
98. Amen, it's the conservative Dem Congress Creatures who should be |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
85. Yep, and this is why they will lose badly in 2010, if this keeps up. |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
87. There will be no universal health care |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. NOOO!! I specifically remember tax on top 1% is still happening. I also remember |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. As I understand it |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. okay. let's take ten cents out of every dollar Iraq makes on their oil. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
91. I want my pony damnit!! |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. love. just love the name. |
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99. On the east or west coast, Portland is the place to be! |
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