Are Muslims now loved by RWers?

[jenmito]

It sure is funny how all the RWers who criticized Obama for speaking and reaching out to the Muslim world are now demanding Obama speak out on behalf of Mussavi's supporters and against Ahmadinejad. "We are all Iranians now" and different messages like that are now sprouting up all over, including RW sites and news shows. I guess Obama had an effect even on the RWers in this country! But they don't even realize it. :D

[Hutzpa]

1. The same numbnuts who where calling

for the annihilation of this wonderful country with beautiful people.

Off topic, my gosh...they have some gorgeous looking women in
that country.

Damn!

[jenmito]

3. Yup...

I was thinking the same thing about the men!

[Peacetrain]

2. That is EXACTLY what I have been wondering...when did this "epiphany" in

the republican mindset take place. Now they LOVE the Muslims??

[jenmito]

5. I guess it's just so they can complain about Obama...

if he wants to reach out, they're against it. If he wants to NOT interfere with the elections, they're FOR interfering.

[MADem]

4. The Wingnuts want one of three, or so, things to happen in Iran. This is a bit nuanced.

It's important to step back and see the whole picture and you can divine their motives.

They would like:

1. A regime overthrow, where the "new guy in charge" is democratically elected AND uber-friendly to the US and the west, and thus, will get off Israel's back.

2. Failing option one, they'd like a US/Western puppet, who will pretend to be democratically elected, who will be uber-friendly to the US and the west, and thus, will get off Israel's back.

3. Failing options one or two, they want chaos, strife and horror to happen in Iran, to give a western-dominated UN coalition an excuse to go into Iran on humanitarian grounds, and eventually install a pro-western 'democratic' leader, who will be uber-friendly to the US and the west, and will get off Israel's back.

There are a few points of commonality in those three scenarios. The point is, the primary focus of concern here on the part of the GOP isn't the Iranian people. I'm not saying that the Israelis don't have the right to be free of efforts by Iran (either directly, or via proxies like Hizb'ollah) to lob missiles at them and "drive them into the sea"---that, though, is a separate discussion for another day. What I am saying is that the GOP cares less about "those Muslims" in Iran, or anywhere, for that matter, than it does with our ally in the Middle East who keeps the corporations that make tools of war working at a vigorous clip. It's all about the money. Arms manufacturers on the one hand, oil companies on the other. Ka ching, ka ching. Money.

Play the good old boys out, PINKIE!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKhN6pAnFCk

[Crooked Moon]

7. just out of curiosity

do you object to option 1?

[MADem]

10. I would like Iran to have a democratically elected leader. I would prefer a secular government.

I would also prefer that Iran's government be friendly to all nations, and that they use their natural resources (oil and gas) to build themselves a sustainable infrastructure that is supportive of their population and enables them to prosper in a post-oil world.

Of course, it's not up to me. I hope that Iranian people get what they truly want, not what the ulema thinks is best for them.

[Yotun]

26. You should neither object nor support Option 1 - because its not your say

The Iranian people should get the government they vote for, not the one that's best for the West and Israel. If they don't want friendly relations with the West, and they say that with their votes, its not up to you to either object or support that. If you think that attitude of them is unfounded, prove your intention with your deeds and convince them to change it.

[Rebubula]

30. As an individual...

...I have no real say.

However, having an opinion is another matter all together. I support option 1. Less saber rattling on all sides is a very good thing.

[Clio the Leo]

6. Isn't that a hoot? NT

[Puzzler]

8. They're just doing their usual "oppose Obama on ANY issue" routine.

[11 Bravo]

9. Hell, they'd fit right in here at good old Democratic (sort of) Underground.

[MADem]

12. Tee hee.

Ain't that the truth!

[jenmito]

14. That's the only thing that makes sense. n/t

[Cha]

11. You know what the losers want, don't you?

They want War like they always do..if they can't have it one way ..they'll sneak around and try another way.

I'll post these snips here from the info in a DUer's NYT article today..

"On one side, a handful of supporters of President Bush said Iranian protesters had taken to the streets because they were emboldened by President Bush’s pro-democracy stance, and the example of Shiite democracy he set up in Iraq.." How emboldened do they think the enemy is by cheney hawking his crap on corporatemedia to the point of saturation?

<snip>> "During the Bush years, Iran’s regime was able to coalesce support by uniting the country against a common enemy: President Bush, who called Iran a pillar of the “axis of evil” in a speech that alienated many of the very reformers whom the United States was trying to woo. For much of his administration, even as he strengthened Iran by toppling Iran’s nemesis Saddam Hussein, Mr. Bush struck a confrontational public line against the Iranian regime."

President Obama has actually been doing something about Democracy..

"He has offered direct talks between his administration and the Iranian regime, without preconditions. He has videotaped a message directly for the Iranian people, on the celebration of Nowruz, the 12-day holiday that marks the new year in Iran. In the video, with subtitles in Persian, he directed his comments not just to the Iranian people but to Iran’s leaders, and referred to Iran as “the Islamic Republic,” further flagging a willingness to deal with the clerical government. He even went so far as to quote from the vaunted Persian poet Saadi, dead for 700 years now.

Mr. Obama has also removed the ban against American diplomats around the world consorting with their Iranian counterparts. And in his Cairo address June 4, he accepted responsibility for America’s part in the enmity between the United States and Iran."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8486580#8487519

[jenmito]

16. Thanks for the article/link...

yup, it's obvious what they want. :hi:

[cherish44]

13. No of course they don't give a rusty fuck about muslims

It's a matter of whatever Obama decides to do, Rush tells them it's wrong and outrage ensues.

[jenmito]

17. Yup-

they go against Obama no matter WHAT.

[JI7]

15. they were defending Torture of Muslims

and yes, it was Muslims since the issue never came up with white terrorists like Mcveigh, the one who killed the doctor recently and that old guy who went to kill people at the holocaust museum.

they want to bomb Iran.

[jenmito]

18. But now that they have a(nother) chance to take a stand against Obama,

they're suddenly for speaking out in PRAISE of the Muslims who went out and voted (thanks to Obama's words and outreach to them). They want nothing but to oppose Obama.

[JI7]

19. it's so fake and phony

Saxby Chambliss has been one of those doing this and he once called for arresting any Muslim that came into his state.

McCain "bomb iran" is one of the worst ones.

and lets not forget all the Obama is a Muslim attacks during the campaign and even now. and using his middle name Hussein in a negative way.

[jenmito]

20. Yup. You'd never know any of that happened

with their new "praise Iranians" cry. They talk like they'd take Iranians into their own states if it would help them out. :eyes:

[MzShellG]

21. I hope they see through it.

All this fake support by Muslim haters who mean them nothing but harm. These repukes(and some dems) will say anything to make Prez Obama look bad.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

22. Their puppetmasters think they see a chance to score points off Obama now, so

the last several years of unremitting Muslim bashing, calling for their extermination and elimination of their religion, turning their countries (including Iran) into glass parking lots etc. are instantly forgotten, without even a hint of irony, shame, or self reflection.

[Jennicut]

23. Its ridiculous. They cannot have it both ways. Sorry, but they were condemning all of Iran just

weeks ago. Sickening...bunch of hypocrites. The world is full of nuance. Not all Muslims are extremists and the young Iranians and even some older ones have been sick of the current regime for some time.

[BlooInBloo]

24. Hmmm.... Maybe Obama should come out strongly AGAINST a public option!

:rofl:

[Kickin_Donkey]

25. Now the RWingers love the Shiite Muslims because ...

because that's what Iranians are and they're not, uh, Sunni Muslims, who are Muslims but not Shiite Muslims or, uh, something like that.

Never mind that Pubbies, including McCain, didn't know and still don't know the difference between Shiite and Sunni.

[JI7]

27. here is more hypocrisy from that scumbag Mike Pence

personally i think these votes are stupid, but just see the hypocrisy of Pence and there is no other reason for it than he doesn't give a shit about Muslims or views them as lower than his own religion.


<Pence just amazes me. On Tuesday, forty-one Republicans and one Democrat voted “present” on a resolution recognizing the commencement of Ramadan. There were zero “no” votes, so representatives voted either “yes” or “present.”

Republican representative Mike Pence of Indiana’s 6th district said, “I voted ‘present’ because I read somewhere that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.” Really? He read somewhere? Would that somewhere be the United States Constitution? So why didn’t he just vote no?

When a lawsuit was filed challenging the use of the religious motto “In God We Trust” as an establishment of religion, Pence joined 46 other members represented by the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) in urging the federal court to dismiss the lawsuit. The basis for requesting the dismissal? The motto was not an establishment of religion but simply evidence of patriotism and our national religious heritage.>

http://berrystreetbeacon.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/mike-pence-hypocrite-on-ramadan-resolution/

[jenmito]

32. Thanks for this...

you should send it to David Shuster for his "Hypocrisy Watch" segment!

[Vinca]

28. It's the small bit of humor in this horrible situation.

Republicans appear to be required to do the absolute opposite of the POTUS. I say we get Obama to mandate private insurance so Republicans will demand single payer.

[old mark]

29. Wait- you mean those people are MUSLIMS? Oh NO!!!!11!!

It's that damn Obama from Africa doing all this to confuse America......




:rofl:

mark

[Iwillnevergiveup]

31. This is so right on

Just got an e-mail this morning from my best friend's rightie husband who loves to send me noxious crap every now and then. He took ONE selected quote from the Canadian prime minister and contrasted ONE selected quote from Obama, including several "uhs." Then he said how sad it is to watch Iranians brutalized by their country's own political leaders. Deleted.

[jenmito]

33. I'm not surprised...

they suddenly care about the Iranian people even MORE than OBAMA does! I guess they all forget how they ridiculed Obama for even MAKING a video message to the Iranians or giving his speech in Cairo. Suddenly they wish he'd "follow through" with his message to them in Cairo. :eyes: