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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:43 PM
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Single payer airports, convention centers, ports and baseball stadiums

Last Tuesday night Republicans got off of the commercial planes that had government licensed pilots that landed on 'single payer' airports that were controlled by government air traffic controllers so that they could go to a 'single payer' convention center that was serviced by a city run non profit so that they could complain saying;




"Don't let the Government take over private business. Don't let them take over health care. Don't let them tell you what Doctor you can or cannot go to."


Afterwards some of them took their invited guests to single payer stadiums that are rented out at subsidy prices and financed with municipal bonds. At the same time many Republican fat cats are taking their families down to the single payer port to use municipal passenger facilities in order to take their families on cruises by profit making companies.


There are thousands of examples of single payer services provided in our country.

We do it when it makes sense.

We currently have very limited 'single payer health care'. We have single payer public health services, by the Center for Disease Control at the national level and the local public health clinics at the county level, while Fire Departments have basically 'crowded out' and eliminated almost all private ambulance service in the US. Quality goes up and prices go down. We no longer spend any money mumps, measles, chicken pox or small pox. Nobody is calling for the elimination of the CDC or the county health clinics because of some arcane ideological principle.

I don't have a problem with any of the single payer airports, convention centers, ports, baseball stadiums, ambulances, or the CDC, that significantly add to the quality of life to the 'haves' in this country as long as they are transparent and are supported by the local population.

It isn't socialism, its called an intelligent solution.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:45 PM
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1. Brilliant.
:)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:08 PM
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2. Tks redqueen
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:11 PM
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3. Dammit, Grantcart...
Why do you have to be so, like, REASONABLE all the time? There's no room for that at DU!;-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:07 PM
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9. tks damonm
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:22 PM
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4. But its even less hands on that all these examples: its JUST insurance
They are not even performing the service, just paying for it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:03 PM
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5. exactly
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:27 PM
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11. Not insurance. Insurance is for risk mitigation.
Let's call it health coverage or a health plan or pretty much anything but insurance.

Also, I'll bet pretty much all those services and facilities are contracted out, so the federal and/or state governments are only paying for those, also.

Fabulous OP. Thanks.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:36 PM
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19. tks
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:25 PM
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6. Kick.
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:09 PM
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7. afternoon kick
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 09:25 AM
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17. Morning kick.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:55 PM
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8. K&R
:kick:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:10 PM
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10. republicons wouldn't know
how to act if they weren't dripping with hypocricy.

Thanks, for this interesting information, grant~
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:46 PM
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12. Great analogies. Should be made into a youtube!
Also worth faxing to critical congress people!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:48 AM
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14. tks
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:08 PM
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13. The big one is our single payer interstate system that distributes our
food, fuel and other necessities nationwide. I lived in a country who didn't have it and believe me there was always a shortage of one thing or the other that no amount of money could buy because it wasn't available.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:53 AM
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15. Actually, it is socialism.
And yes, it's quite an intelligent solution.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:41 PM
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20. depends how you wish to define Socialism

for some Socialism would have to mean that the airlines, the ballclubs and cruise liners would have to be publically owned.

The fact is there is no system that is 'completely' one thing or another.

Even in the most Stalinist regimes there was private enterprise.

Singapore, frequently hailed as a great example of capitalism, is actually a socialist country with very little private property. They have universal housing, education and health, but they also don't get involved in industry and manage without high personal income taxes.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:02 PM
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22. I define it as single payer airports, convention centers, ports and baseball stadiums
All examples of socialism. The problem comes in when people insist on the "with us or agin' us" approach.

Some things should be handled through socialism, some things should be handled through well-regulated markets. I don't want the federal government making my iPods, but I'd be cool with publicly-owned airlines and even ballclubs (Packers fan).

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:28 AM
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16. I like my single payer fire department too
And don't forget our single payer roads. Anyone recall getting orders this morning telling them where they had to drive? Thought not.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:16 PM
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18. Single Payer Military Defense Must Go

People should decide which army they want defending them...
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:48 PM
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21. Brilliant analogy
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 05:13 PM
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23. It truly is.
:kick:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 05:48 PM
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24. Fantastic post - I'm sad that it's too late to rec.
:-(
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:37 PM
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25. You forgot being defended by a single payer armed forces. nt
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:08 PM
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26. Kick!
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