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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:39 PM
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Favorites of Left Don't Make Obama's Court List
Edited on Mon May-25-09 09:42 PM by steven johnson
It appears that President Obama is choosing from a list of moderate candidates for the next justice on the SCOTUS.



By PETER BAKER
Published: May 26, 2009
WASHINGTON - Pamela S. Karlan is a champion of gay rights, criminal defendants' rights and voting rights. She is considered brilliant, outspoken and, in her own words, "sort of snarky." To liberal supporters, she is an Antonin Scalia for the left.

But Ms. Karlan does not expect President Obama to appoint her to succeed Justice David H. Souter, who is retiring. "Would I like to be on the Supreme Court?" she asked in graduation remarks a couple of weeks ago at Stanford Law School, where she teaches. "You bet I would. But not enough to have trimmed my sails for half a lifetime."

While there are clear political advantages to Mr. Obama if the perception is that he has avoided an ideological choice, Ms. Karlan's absence from his list of finalists has frustrated part of the president's base, which hungers for a full-throated, unapologetic liberal torchbearer to counter conservatives like Justice Scalia.

The president has narrowed his list to four, according to people close to the White House - two federal appeals judges, Sonia Sotomayor of New York and Diane P. Wood of Chicago, and two members of his administration, Solicitor General Elena Kagan and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/26/us/politics/26court.html%3Fhp


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:42 PM
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1. Obama will get a few more bites at this apple
Let him choose his "coalition builder" this time. Next time, I'm going to be expecting a firebrand.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:50 PM
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9. Fuck That Noise. I Want A Flaming Liberal, Progressive On The Court
No apologies here either.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 12:32 AM
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31. If Obama wants a second term...
he'll drift away from the very liberal section of the Democratic Party. I predict his nominee for SCOTUS will be a liberal but not a "flaming liberal" as you would prefer.

Obama is quite possibly the most gifted political strategist of our life time. I base that observation on the fact that he derailed the coronation of Queen Hillary during the primary. She was blindsided by his brilliant campaign.

I'm beginning to see the subtle shift beginning. On issues such as gun control and releasing the torture photos he has moved away from the extremely liberal position of our party.

If I'm right, he'll drive you crazy but he'll win reelection and should preserve or increase the control of Congress that we enjoy.

But remember, eight years of Obama is far better then four years of Obama and four years of someone like Sarah Palin.


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 04:58 AM
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34. I want someone who's a powerful persuader on the SC
and a powerful intellect on the SC, who's coming from a liberal perspective.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:44 PM
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2. Nobody knows his complete short list. n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:35 PM
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19. let's hope his pick is a pleasant surprise
n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:44 PM
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3. Oh goody. More reaching out to moderates
that's been working so well.


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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:55 PM
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20. Obama wants a liberal justice who will CONVINCE OTHERS
To come to their side. Picking a flamethrower just to pick one isn't smart. You need someone like a Warren who has the ability to persuade others with their arguments of reason. I'm more interested in having a liberal jurist who has the ability to convince others to their side as opposed to a liberal jurist who is just a flame thrower, like Scalia.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:04 PM
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21. Good luck convincing Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito. nm
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:23 PM
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23. Only need one and Justice Kennedy seems like he could be persuadable
Edited on Mon May-25-09 11:23 PM by BluegrassDem
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:44 PM
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4. Another article designed to drive a wedge between Obama and progressives
Edited on Mon May-25-09 09:45 PM by Uzybone
And some will fall for it everytime.

From that same article

The four said to be on Mr. Obama’s list are known as liberals if not crusaders, and advocates said they would still generate enthusiasm. Judge Wood, in particular, has attracted favorable attention from the left."

"Some liberals said they wished Mr. Obama would be as bold in reshaping the court from the left as Mr. Bush was from the right. "


I m glad President Obama is not a liberal version of Bush.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:04 PM
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13. And, of course, they fall for it like
lemmings to the sea.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:45 PM
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5. Of course. Par. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:46 PM
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6. A "full throated, unapologetic liberal torchbearer . . . like Justice Scalia"


I certainly hope not. As many commentators have shown that while Scalia's influence on the far right base may be impressive, his ability to form majority opinions is higher only to Thomas', which is nonexistent.

Full throated may be good to raise passion but it undermines getting people who disagree with you to share your point of view. I am hopeful for a progressive that is able to use their power of persuasion and interpersonal skills to get as many justices to share in majority opinions.

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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:23 PM
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16. Well, said, Grantcart! .......n/t
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:20 AM
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38. Then your candidate is Sotomayor. She is the true standard-bearer of the Liberals
and the GOP is in spasms of anticipation because they will try to savage her but it will be to no avail. Sotomayor is very impressive and will run circles around the GOP in the hearings if she is nominated. We will see.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:48 PM
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7. Ain't That A Fucking Surprise
What's next? Wait, forget I said that.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:32 PM
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18. Read the article. Its just speculation.
Also using a two week old Karlan quote
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:48 PM
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8. *yawn*
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:50 PM
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10. Dumb title.
As if some on the left wouldn't be happy with at least one or two on the short list.

Idiotic media.

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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:22 PM
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15. And I add: Have any polls been conducted asking the "left" who its favorite is?
Peter Baker is mind-reading us. I think this article lacks in professionalism.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:55 PM
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11. What happened to the Granholm grounswell?
It might be useful to have the hottest Supreme Court Justice ever on our side. I could see her converting Alito (think about it, that guy has probably never had a glimmer of attention from a hottie his whole live) or maybe Roberts (if his marriage is in a rut. I think Roberts and Granholm would be so cute together.)

And don't discount her chances with Scalia. Seriously, she could take one for the team and flip a crucial vote permanently.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:22 PM
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22. smalll
You have to be an idiot, the supreme court needs intellect and compassion, gender and physical looks should have nothing to do with it. That said, A female might be preferable since balance on the court is important.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:02 PM
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12. (pre)OUTRAGE!
n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:49 PM
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29. They're getting prepped. To be expected. n/t
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 12:36 AM
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32. That's exactly it. Driving a wedge has become so easy to do. n/t
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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:21 PM
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14. It's unclear to me what the definition of "liberal" is to this NYT writer
Edited on Mon May-25-09 10:21 PM by Old Hank
The author of this piece says that Clinton appointed two judges that are not too liberal, but these judges are Ginsburg and Breyer. I have no problem with their rulings.


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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:31 PM
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17. There is nothing from what I read about Wood that makes her a moderate.
Not sure what the purpose of this article is. Its also using a quote from Karlan a few weeks old
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:27 PM
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24. Wood, Kagan and Sotomeyer are not good enough? I thought they were all pretty liberal.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:31 PM
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25. Sotomyer was a fucking Poppy Bush appointee.
That and the fact that she was the first name on the lips of the whore media the minute Souter announced his retirement tells me all I need to know about her. She's the LAST one I want nominated.
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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:41 PM
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26. So? Souter was appointed by George W. Bush to the SC
Edited on Mon May-25-09 11:42 PM by Old Hank
It is simplistic to say "X is bad because X was appointed by a conservative President."


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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:46 PM
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27. We have 7 Bush Crime Family appointees on the Supreme Court as it is.
We don't need 8.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 12:54 AM
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33. That is incredibly misleading.
She was appointed by George H.W. Bush to the trial court (Federal District Court). Senators from judges' home states often suggest trial judges to the President and have significant influence over who gets nominated. This is because trial court judges have little influence on broader questions of law.

Sotomayor was appointed to the Court of Appeals by President Clinton. This matters much more than who made her a trial judge, since Court of Appeals judges have much more influence over broad questions of law and their appointments are much more ideological.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:07 AM
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35. Exactly. I look at her record.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:49 PM
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28. I don't get this post. Anyway I want Sustein. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:53 PM
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30. Why even bother to post these speculative articles in where the author
knows no more than us?

All this does is excite the "Nothing is good enough" Crowd here at DU....waiting to pounce on anything and everything, as long as there is an excuse.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:17 AM
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36. It will be Sotomayor. Obama wants to name the first Hispanic Justice
and that will bring him Arizona and Texas in the next election. In addition, Sotomayor has a compelling life story and will send shockwaves in the Republicans because she is the one that they fear the most because Sotomayor is unabashedly liberal and has incredible powers of persuasion...she would be the Scalia of the liberals. I want her in the SCOTUS! it will bring much honor and pride to our community!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:31 AM
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39. AP calls it for Sotomayor. Great news!
Edited on Tue May-26-09 07:48 AM by ClarkUSA
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:19 AM
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37. Anything to create a storyline... what a load of bullshit meme this reporter is shovelling.
Edited on Tue May-26-09 07:27 AM by ClarkUSA
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:32 AM
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40. Sick of articles like this. He chose Sonia Sotomayor so s/he is wrong nt
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