New York Times Pile On on MSNBC: Obama = Bush

[FrenchieCat]

There is like 5 New York Time reporters all taking aim at Pres. Obama.

They have finally figured out that the way to possibly lower his approval rating,
is to turn his base against him via lies, twisted context and omission....

Guess they know that many on the Left don't do their homework either.

They are doing a great job too....

[Politicub]

1. This is exactly what the Times did to Clinton

For whatever reason, it was obvious that they had a mission to take him down a notch or two. Very pathetic, because there is potential for Obama to do so much good.

[alsame]

2. With few exceptions, MSNBC has become a

right wing cesspool.

[ShortnFiery]

4. Amen! It's like Rachael, KO, and Ed Shultz exist within a different "plane of existence" than

most all of the rest of the GOP blood soaked ghoul person commentators and news models at 30 Rock. :(

[Parker CA]

5. Shuster and Lawrence O'Donnell both step up and do their share when given the chance, but I agree

about everything else you suggest. Disgusting for most of the day.

[ShortnFiery]

6. Yes, thanks - the few exceptions are notable.

:hi:

[alsame]

10. True. I used to be able to tolerate much of their daytime

programming, but increasingly I have to turn them off. Some days are a non-stop marathon of GOP talking points.

And the recent Cheney fest (Dick AND Liz) was repulsive.

[Parker CA]

18. The song lyrics and tune of 'it's a family affair" come to mind. Way too much Cheney for me.

[alsame]

20. OMG - Shuster just said his next segment is Liz vs. Lynn Cheney

about the pronunciation of their last name.

Who cares?

[otohara]

33. It's Been Repeated All Fricking Day

That's how MSNBC is these days - each hour slot is the same shit, different host. As a former employee in radio industry, you learn a lot about programming and listening habits.

MSNBC appears to be gearing towards a younger audience, who don't spend much time watching the news...Thus the repetitiveness of the stuff people might bring up at the water coolers at work.

I don't like it, but then I'm old. An NPR-type 24/7 Cable Channel would make me ever so happy.

[alsame]

41. Water cooler topics. exactly. They have lots of

info-tainment segments. I'm also old enough to remember real news programs, before the cable chatter began. And good investigative journalism.

[JamesA1102]

8. Rachel Maddow spends most of her time trashing

the President these days.

[ShortnFiery]

9. No, what you term "trashing" is what I call "keeping him true to his campaign promises"

Guess we differ.

[democracy1st]

12. i agree with you

[Lorax7844]

13. agreed

I think that it is our job to push him to the left, too many people here automatically assume that means you are a troll republican hater. It's not true and calling me that doesn't make it true.

I want Obama to do the right thing.

I agree that the NYT can fuck off, Rachel, Stewart, Colbert have logic on their side. The New York Times is just trying to make us complacent and angry. We do have a fine line to walk here, making criticism constructive and not destructive. Pointing out problems with Obama's arguments but not aiding republican talking points. Considering my thread just got canned, I guess I fucked up. Better luck next time.

My apologies to Redqueen and others from that thread.

Can I reiterate my hatred for 95% of the times, with the exception of Krugman that entire paper can kiss my ass. Seriously Bill Kristol WTF?

[JamesA1102]

38. Keith and Ed have taken the President to task

on certain matters and rightfully so. They don't distort facts nor do they do so over trivial matters. Rachel on the other hand attacks the President every night and will distort the facts to do so. She keeps beating the President up on 'Don't ask, don't tell' without acknowledging that it would take an act of Congress to change. Ana Marie Cox tried to explain that last night but Rachel was deaf to it.

[JamesA1102]

34. It is trashing when it is trival matter

and when she cherry picks and distorts what he has said to attack him.

[JamesA1102]

39. Spending two segments attacking him for appointing

someone as a depupty in the Consul's because that person favored the repeal of Glass-Stegle 10 years ago is not "keeping him true to his campaign promises" since he never promised to not appoint anyone who once favored the repeal of Glass-Stegle. That's just looking for an excuse to attack him. Many of her attacks are of a trivial nature like this and has nothing to do with his campaign promises.

[iamthebandfanman]

17. how dare her question and demands things from our president!

shame on her!
a plague on her family!

[JamesA1102]

36. How dare she distort things

in order to attack him.

[snowdays]

24. Keeping Obama true to his word is NOT trashing.

[JamesA1102]

37. It is when you distort things to do so

or expect that he can undo problems that were created over 20 years in four months.

[Peacetrain]

43. CNN media discussion this AM went over this very thing

And one boneheaded commentator, was pointing only to MSNBC and saying this is how fascism starts.. Nothing about the right wing hell hounds that have been tearing this country apart for the last 15 years.

[WeDidIt]

30. And Rachel falls for the bullshit spin

like "prevention detention" bullshit.

[Inuca]

15. Are we watching the same MSNBC?

Your comment makes no sense and/or is very biased.

[alsame]

16. How so? It seems that the majority of what I see during the

day is very right wing...lots of GOP talking points, lots of GOP 'guests' that get more time than the Dems. CNBC hosts pusing corporate memes.

Not to mention the 3 hour Obama hatefest that is Morning Joe.

[Inuca]

21. Well... I watch mostly in the evenings

and the whole line-up starting with Shuster and ending with Rachel Maddow is definitely not a right-wing fest. Anything but.

[gkhouston]

22. It's completely different in the daytime. Very educational, if you'd like to plop a kid

down in front of the TV and point out propaganda techniques in use.

[alsame]

23. I agree, the evening is completely different. I work at home and

have it on in the background and many of the daytime hours are turning into Fox Lite.

It's like it becomes a different network with Shuster/Ed/Keith/Rachel. And Hardball, when Tom Delay isn't on, LOL.

[gkhouston]

25. Even the chirons are crap. There was one on last week, when I was eating lunch,

about Caroline Kennedy and why she dropped out of contention for the NY senate seat. I don't give a crap about Caroline Kennedy or the senate seat, but was still whomper-jawed by the chiron. It was worded in such a way that it was technically correct but if you didn't read it carefully you'd get the impression that it meant the exact opposite of what it was supposed to say. The chirons go by fast enough that you don't always catch all of them, so if you missed the critical word "not", basically you'd be getting the smear that Kennedy was denying and not the purported truth. :grr:

[alsame]

29. I believe it. I expect them to start using the Fox 'typo' tricks. n/t

[sniffa]

47. Hyperbole much?

MSNBC is the only voice the left has on tv.

[Cant trust em]

3. Damn that liberal media!

I know that this is a broken record, but is there a bigger canard out there?

Seriously, is there?

[OHdem10]

7. That "Librul Media" is the fourth estate (part of Elite Establishment.

The Establishment has self interest in maintaining the status
quo. They enjoy a society in which the Elite drive the agenda
and the economy continuing the haves, have mores and then the
masses of have nots.

[gkhouston]

11. Interesting that they're all trying so very hard to do that.

I wonder who put that idea in their widdle heads, don't you?

[firedupdem]

14. That's the aim and they are getting lots of help. Disgusting...

We finally have a good President and he's being cut off at the knees.

[cali]

19. specifics. vague accusations suck, and frankly the MSM

has not piled on Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

26. I was watching MSNBC.....their New York Time program with Hardwood......

Don't know about you.

I think those who were watching the same program have weighted in.

[onenote]

27. there are more than a few folks here doing the same thing

Whatever their motivation may be I doubt its to turn the base against him -- at least one part of the base (as represented by the aforementioned DUers) needed no prompting from the NYTimes.

Frankly, I'm always amused by references to Obama's base. I'd like to see those who refer to it define it.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Here you go.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8414465

[onenote]

42. that's a pretty broad base

A lot of that base doesn't necessarily subscribe to all of the views expressed by those who consider themselves progressives.

[SoCalDem]

28. Two things to remember

1) Most people do not even read the NYT
2) Most people do not watch "cable-news" shows.

Here's a fun experiment:

step OUTSIDE your political-pal sphere and ask some friends/acquaintances these questions:


1. Who is your congressperson
2. Name 4 SCOTUS judges & the president who appointed them
3. Who is speaker of the house
4. Who is Harry Reid
5. Who is Chris Matthews
6. Who is Robert Gibbs (wait for the BeeGees connection)
7. Dick Cheney was congressman from what state
8. Who is Sibel Edmonds
9. What's the significance of being in the majority in congress
10. Who are the Taliban

[Cha]

40. All the people I talk to here in New York

in the course of a day at work still love Prez Obama and a lot of them say how the "media" is always trying to manipulate. I'm still amazed how they're gettting smarter after the last 8 years of bush and the war on Iraq brought to us by the CORPORATE MEDIA.

[spoony]

32. MSNBC is an enemy of the people. n/t

[frazzled]

35. It was their reasoning that was so shocking ... essentially, Bush was the anti-Cheney,

Obama is the anti-Cheney; therefore Obama national security policy = Bush (last four years) national security policy.

The NYT crew weren't bashing Obama foreign policy ... they were saying Bush changed national security policy (e.g., no torture) after his reelection, and it was the same as Obama's now.

Just. Plain. Incorrect.

[IndianaGreen]

44. Obama is doing a fine job in alienating and confusing his base

On Guantanamo, indefinite detentions, DADT, military commissions, polar bears, etc., Obama has continued to follow the path of the Bush regime. In addition to that, Obama is doing an LBJ impersonation by escalating the war in Afghanistan.

Better do your homework, FC.

[EFerrari]

45. Are. Five is plural. And thanks for yet another gratuitous slam at the left!

Slamming Obama's base isn't a consensus builder, FC. He needed the coalition to win and he will continue to need it whether you like it or not.

[ClarkUSA]

46. It's the MSM Obama Outrage Meme of the Month. What else is new?

[jeanpalmer]

48. This is what happens

when you take slam dunk issue and mangle it. It gives an opening to the other side, to the point where instead of prosecuting lawbreakers as we should be doing, we're having a big debate whether torture is wrong, a debate we appear to be losing to the right wing. Appoint a prosecutor and then there's no problem. They're defending themselves in court, and the law will draw a bright line.

[spanone]

49. the times proved, in the run up to iraq war, where their allegiance stands