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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:10 AM
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CNN "The President's argument is"


reporting on new CAFE standards reporters charachterize the President in the middle of a contentious argument.


There is no argument, he is building consensus.


Not malicious on CNN's part just stuck on certain phrases and intellectually lazy.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:21 AM
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1. "he is building consensus."
Yes he is. How's that working for we the people by the way?

Just kind of curious myself.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:28 AM
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2. Depends on the issue.


When a progressive issue is defeated or stalled in our legislative process, the people lose.


If you want to have a progressive leader get in and ram down progressive legislation to a reluctant congress then we really need to change to a parlimentary system, which is well suited for that style.


Given that Legislative and Executive power is divided (and the legislative power is split again and the minority given substantial power), the more that can be achieved by consensus means the more that will be passed.


The only reason we don't have single payer health care and every other democracy does, is that they have parlimentary systems that allow for substantial concentrated power by the ruling party, we do not.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:07 AM
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3. There is no 'we the people'...
If there were we wouldn't be where we are.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:42 AM
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4. "We the people" are not a single bloc with unanimous needs, fears, and desires.
Were that the case, there wouldn't be any need for consensus (or politics at all, for that matter).
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 01:33 PM
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5. Was this before or after another Pelosi vs. CIA graphic??
:)
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