Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

We need to remember that the Republican leadership DOESN'T really want to overturn Roe v. Wade

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:32 PM
Original message
We need to remember that the Republican leadership DOESN'T really want to overturn Roe v. Wade
I agree will anyone who feels that women's reproductive freedom needs to remain intact all ALL COSTS. That is a given as well as is an absolute measuring point for me politically if someone is not for such a critical issue.

If you are so-called "pro-life", you are hideous in my view politically. You want the Government to control woman's lives.

That said, anyone who follows the money knows that the Republican Party leadership DOES NOT really want to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Saying that they WILL overturn that legislation and/or try to make abortion illegal is merely a talking point for fund raising.

The last thing the Republican Party leadership want is to take away perhaps the biggest fund raising tool they have in their armory. With this weekend's "Rebranding" episodes happening in Arlington, a pigeon's short flight from the Capitol, they will beat their breasts that they are "the pro-life party".

All that means is that their KoolAid stand still has the sign on the table. It brings in millions of dollars into the coffers... perhaps even more that their other money-maker, anti-gay legislation.

But one thing you need to know: the last thing the Republican Party leadership really want is to overturn abortion rights. If that happened, they would have nothing that would mobilize their "base".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. Very true...
...there must be a way to get their base to realize this...oh wait, they're insane, can't be done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. Some of them already did
Why do you think so many Evangelicals and Catholics voted for Obama, even though they were probably holding their noses over his pro-choice views?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
2. Very true...
...there must be a way to get their base to realize this...oh wait, they're insane, can't be done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
3. It's a moneymaking wedge issue, like God, Guns and Gays. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. 10X answer, corporatist fund both side of those three divisive, polarizing issues to distract voters
from critical things like health, education, and welfare that are are at the crisis level for blue/grey collar workers.

Those corporatists buy bipartisan support for bills that move us inexorably toward a New World Order corporate state and presidents sign such bills while flanked by leaders from both parties.

Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
4. Nah it's a gimmick to get the dumshits all riled up
If they overturned Roe v Wade what do they have left?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
5. Actually, they want to get rid of a case called Griswold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

That's been their wet dream for over 40 years...

That and Miranda/Escobedo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:42 PM
Response to Original message
6. OH YOU ARE SO RIGHT - IT IS JUST LIKE THE GUN
LOBBY ALWAYS SAYING DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS. JUST THE SAME THING. WE ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FOOLS. THEY WILL NEVER OVERTURN ABORTION RIGHTS, NEVER.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:09 PM
Response to Original message
8. imo that's true about old-school Republicans, but not the new pukes on the block.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
9. You are so right about the Right in America
They tapped into the overzealous Christian right hardline views and reeled them in and played them for decades.

I find it interesting that they have no qualms about the death penalty, no qualms about born-agains killing abortion doctors and bombing clinics yet even the crazy right don't advocate murder charges against the mother, hum-mm
If she plans the abortion, isn't that conspiracy?

The Right wing only wants a divisive issue. Nothing more nothing less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:48 PM
Response to Original message
11. 1/2 of the Republican Base Wants to.. 1/2 does NOT
The Theo-Con's actually are very desprate to over-turn Roe v. Wade. They won't know what the hell to do if it actually happens, and poor single mothers start having 200% more illegitimate kids - but we're talking about a voting block who doesn't really think beyond what Pastor Bob tells them to think.. so this is not shocking.

Now, the "smart" Republicans are the Wealthy Fiscal Conservatives. Are they selfish? Yes.. but they're also smart.. they didn't become Rich by being dumb.. they did it by being shrewd, cutting throats, and keeping every penny they find. Women who are forced to legally have kids that they financially can not support are now the problem of fiscal conservatives.. more of their money is now taken in the form of taxes to support kids that they care nothing about.

Right now Fiscal Cons will say "sure, i'm pro life" because it' gives the Theo-Cons the warm fuzzy feeling that they need to keep voting "R". That in turn helps Fiscals think they are getting lower taxes (which of course they're not..) and keeping more of their own money.

So that's how the dog & pony show goes!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Wow! Great category... the TheoCons!
Perhaps it's been mentioned before, but it boils it down perfectly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:08 PM
Response to Original message
12. Of course, they don't..what else would
raise the mofos so much money besides their wedge issues?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:34 PM
Response to Original message
13. True it rallies their religious right base, but the GOP is too shortsighted to realize that
The GOP has gotten so radical, and so extremely right wing that they're too stupid to realize how much they have to lose politically by outlawing abortion (and they do have a lot to lose, it would completely shift the momentum the other way on the issue). The GOP leadership have become such religious fanatics that they view it as their quest from god and goal in life to outlaw all abortion in the world, regardless of 'political consequences' in their current life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:50 PM
Response to Original message
15. They had the House, the Senate, and the Presidency for years.
Did they do it? No, they did not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Not for lack of effort
Seriously, it's hard to believe that anyone's seriously entertaining this conspiracy theory.

Knocking out Grisworld would be crown jewel of their all their "acheivements," as can be seen on any given day in certain state's politics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:44 AM
Response to Original message
17. you can nibble at a right until it become a priviledge instead
It is absurd to argue that the people running the GOP now don't want to make abortion at the very least much harder to obtain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:27 AM
Response to Original message
18. This is actually a geographic thing
Southern and Midwestern republicans would have no problem with overturning Row. They'll still be in power.

Northeastern and western republicans if you could talk to them off the record would love for the issue to go away. This along with the stance against gay rights, stem cell research, and other church state issues have pretty much destroyed their parties except for the rural areas in the north east and California, Oregon, and Washington.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:02 PM
Response to Original message
19. They must "save" all their bloody shirt issues
Their only hope of raising money from the boonies is to keep these poor ignorant folks worried sick..all the time.. about

guns
god
gays
abortion
evolution
illeeeeeegals

If these "issues" were ever "resolved", how would they ever scare the people enough to get them to donate and support their team of wackos..?


These are the trusted favorites...trotted out every election cycle, waved wildly, and then put back on the shelf until next time..

Anyone of a certain age, remembers the theater serials.. the villain always got away at the end...to be continued..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 05:40 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC