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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:50 PM
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Republicans didn't give Obama any budget or stimulus votes = they are cut out of the SCOTUS process
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 10:57 PM by usregimechange
Sorry but you didn't play ball, neither will we.

Oh, and you can't do shit to stop it.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:57 PM
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1. zero votes = no reason to seek their input
Great opportunity to use the new filibuster-proof majority. let the party of no stew in their own cess-pool...
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:59 PM
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2. They might think twice next time they threaten their caucus to oppose everything
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:59 PM
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3. I think this is how it goes ....

At the Judiciary Committee level there has to be at least one vote from the Minority to move the nomination out of committee.

Spector is on the committee but since he's now a Dem, there has to be one Republican - mayve Graham??????
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:08 PM
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5. I don't think that is true, majority sends them up doesn't it?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:10 PM
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6. Yep, see here, can be a party line vote:
The Senate Judiciary Committee approved Samuel Alito’s nomination to the Supreme Court, but it was a strict party-line vote, signaling a bruising debate in the Senate to come. NBC’s Pete Williams reports.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10993560/
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:28 PM
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7. Here are the Judiciary Rules
http://judiciary.senate.gov/about/committee-rules.cfm

IV. BRINGING A MATTER TO A VOTE
The Chairman shall entertain a non-debatable motion to bring a matter before the Committee to a vote. If there is objection to bring the matter to a vote without further debate, a roll call vote of the Committee shall be taken, and debate shall be terminated if the motion to bring the matter to a vote without further debate passes with ten votes in the affirmative, one of which must be cast by the minority.

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:08 AM
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9. Yep, your right, it seems Hatch didn't follow it in the past though:
Edited on Fri May-01-09 12:18 AM by usregimechange
The Judiciary Committee rules contain a clause known as Rule 4 that prevents closing off debate on a nominee unless at least one member of the minority agrees to do so.

It isn't used a lot but it has been used before when I have been on the committee.

During debate on the Pryor nomination, the Ranking Member attempted to invoke this rule because members of the minority did not believe that an ongoing investigation into Mr. Pryor's nomination had been given sufficient time.
Serious allegations were made about Mr. Pryor's truthfulness to the committee during the hearing, and staff had been looking into those allegations. Put simply, the job has not been completed.

But, as Chairman Hatch did earlier this Congress with regard to the nomination of Deborah Cook and John Roberts, he chose to ignore this rule and force through a vote over the objections of every member of the minority on the committee.
We thought the issue had been resolved during discussions over what happened last time, but apparently we were wrong.

The rule contains the following language:

"The Chairman shall entertain a non-debatable motion to bring a matter before the Committee to a vote. If there is objection to bringing the matter to a vote without further debate, a rollcall vote of the Committee shall be taken, and debate shall be terminated if the motion to bring the matter to a vote without further debate passes with ten votes in the affirmative, one of which must be cast by the Minority."

That is a reading on its face. It stands on its face. It is what it is.

Over the last few decades, it has clearly meant that unless one member of the minority agrees to cut off debate and move straight to a vote, no vote can occur. This is one of the only protections the minority party has in the Judiciary Committee. Without it, there might never be debate at all. A chairman could convene a markup, demand a vote, and the entire process would take 2 minutes. This is not how a deliberative body should function, and more importantly, it is contrary to the rules. Either the rules are observed or we have chaos on the committee. If we do not like the rules, we should change the rules. But we should follow the rules.

As I understand it, this rule was first instituted in 1979. Senator Kennedy was chairman of the committee at the time. It has been followed ever since.

Senator Hatch, our current chairman, has also followed the rule. I make no bones about the fact that I am very fond of the chairman, but he has been going through some kind of a change lately, and I don't quite know what it is.

During the markup of Bill Lann Lee to be the Assistant Attorney General for the civil rights division, there was some fear that Republicans, who had the votes to defeat the nomination would move directly to a vote and prevent any debate on the issue at the markup. Democrats, on the other hand, wanted the chance to explain their position, and maybe even try to change some minds on the other side.

During that markup, then, there was significant discussion about what Rule IV, the rule about cutting off debate, really means. At one point, it is interesting to note, Chairman Hatch himself commented that:

"At the appropriate time, I will move to proceed to a vote on the Lee nomination. I assume there will be no objection. It seems to me he deserves a vote. People deserve to know where we stand on this issue. Then we will, pursuant to Rule IV, vote on whether to bring the Lee nomination to a vote. In order to vote on the nomination, we need at least one Democrat to vote to do so."

That is precisely what we are discussing, Mr. President. The situation then was the same as the situation regarding Mr. Pryor. In order to vote on the nomination, we need at least one Democrat to vote to do so. But we never even had the chance to vote on cutting off debate.

http://feinstein.senate.gov/03Speeches/pryor-7-30-03.htm
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:21 AM
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10. Is this ever used to block a nominee?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:28 AM
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12. Specter is not a Dem yet, is he?
I thought it is how he will run NEXT TIME...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:51 AM
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14. I thought it is his condition right now.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:02 PM
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4. Sounds good.
But will they do it? I have my doubts.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:02 AM
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8. Sounds good to me...
repukes are worthless hacks anyway, dead weight.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:35 AM
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11. I hope reps choke on their "Nos" ...
... when Obama shoves his nominee down their throats.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:44 AM
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13. A well qualified Hispanic female will cause freeperVille exploding heads and the GOP to quit...
...the country and go off to their own island which would be a good thing.
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