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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:14 AM Original message |
POTUS: The Practice of Faith Aided by Science |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama is way more of a religion promoter than Bush ever was - Obama's religion that is - |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I wouldn't say that. Bush pandered to a the Christian Fundamentalist faith. |
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MoJoWorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. I wish more people would have heard those words.... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. I genuinely appreciate Obama's promotion of science. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I think you may be looking at too large of a picture.... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I know he is not supporting Biblical literalism. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. So I'll address something you said specifically... |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I don't want faith and reason to coexist |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. lol, love it or hate it...... |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. personally.... |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Good luck with that. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Me too and eventually it will if we survive long enough. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Must I quote the Clarke Axiom? n/t |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Just because sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic... |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. True - I was agreeing with you. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Ah. Sorry. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. No sweat - |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Why? Faith isn't the problem. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. And it's not even organized religion.... |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. thank you |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. you need faith to get through each day |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Well, I can't argue about what motivated your mother... |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I'm afraid you misunderstand faith ... |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. When it comes to |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Key word there is "perverted." |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. If one believes that an embryo has a soul... |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Some scripture would be handy.... |
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ArbustoBuster (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Some scripture |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Exodus and Deuteronomy have no bearing on Christianity.... |
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ArbustoBuster (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Um...no. |
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empyreanisles (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. They are not at odds. God wants us to discover our world. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I notice you phrase it in terms of what god wants. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. *nods* what a "god" would want is meaningless |
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empyreanisles (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. OK. But can you explain how we got here? How does the universe exist? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. A priori argument from first cause. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. With respect, I must disagree... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Well, so far science has made tremendous progress... *edit* |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Check the link, and find out for yourself... |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Your arguments |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. No. The existence of god is fundamentally a scientific question. |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. As you wish. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. You are entitled to your opinion. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Well, fine, one thing about those religious discoverers, though. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Yup. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. I can't wait for the day when a president can drop any mention of faith at all. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. And you realize that President Obama doesn't speak of faith.. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Just so I'm clear.... |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. lol yep.... |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And the screwy thing is... |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Why should he? He is a Christian and person of faith..that is who he is |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. Science cant answer every question. & religion can not answer ANY |
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