A storm is brewing. A really big storm.

[cali]

The wrath of Washington is about to come down on Obama's head in an overwhelming way. It's already started. And the media is going to lead the charge. It already is.

Simply by leaving the door open for prosecution, Obama has opened the door for those who have a lot to lose and for those dedicated to destroying him.

He'll be accused of putting American lives at risk. He already has been. It'll get worse and more shrill. They're out to kill this however they can.

He'll be accused of being weak. He already is being accused of it.

Everything you can imagine is going to be thrown at him.

Get ready for it. And get ready to support him. Because we need to support him when he's right even more vigorously than we do when we think he's in the wrong.

[Skidmore]

1. K&R.

Ready to take to the streets to support cleaning up this government of ours and eliminating the corruption at its core.

[dionysus]

2. k&r

:woohoo:

[livetohike]

3. Cheney is running scared

Notice how GWB is keeping a low profile and Cheney is out there building his defense. Cheney with the what - 19% approval rating when he left office?

This will be bad for the GOP. As Chris Matthews said tonight - the GOP is becoming known as the no-taxes and torture party.

[Andy823]

38. Scared as hell

What I think is Cheney was responsible for the torture, sure Bush was president, but he pretty much did what Cheney told him, and I think Bush has covered his ass on this, but Cheney had his hands all over the torture thing, and he is trying to do what he does best, lie, lie, lie, and hope nobody investigates! Bush is keeping his mouth shut, but Cheney is making it worse for him by going after Obama!

[livetohike]

46. Bush is doing what he always does after he makes the mess

someone else has to clean it up. I hope they (and Rumsfeld) get prosecuted.

[JDPriestly]

84. Cheney wants them to cherry-pick a tiny morsel of the many, many

"confessions" and "statements" they got (mostly nonsense), which he carefully inserted into a CYA memo to justify the torture before he left office. If they release any information at all, they should release all of it so that the American people can see how much work goes into not only the horror of the torture but also the fact-checking to see which "confessions" and "statements" are true and which are not.

Even without torture, sensational cases sometimes get insane people who come forward with tips about who done it or even false confessions. It is a waste of time. Much more information is obtained by quietly listening to a person and asking quiet questions.

It isn't just whether you get a bit of truth out of a tortured suspect, it is also whether, considering the barbarity of the acts that the torturer has to do and the pain and suffering of the victim of the torture, the torture is worthwhile. To put it in crass terms, you have to do a cost-benefit analysis. The problem with torture is that, unless, as the terrorists did with Richard Pearl, you are going to kill your victim in the end anyway, the cost -- the actual financial cost of of sifting through the junk that is obtained and the cost in terms of embarrassment when your heinous acts make headlines and then the cost to the personal lives of those who do the torturing, it just does not pay. It is a crime. And the old adage that crime does not pay is true.

[Atman]

100. They (the media ass-covering shills) keep saying it was "only" waterboarding.

Does anyone really believe that we weren't also doing the really serious shit? If they're willing to admit to naked piles and getting locked in coffins with scorpions (okay, "insects," but who are we kidding?), then what else was REALLY going on? Fingernail pulling? Beatings with 2x4's? Smashing hands with hammers (did you see 'Body of Lies'?)? Come on, does anyone really believe that when we got these people into secret interrogation centers with no one watching that we just tried to scare 'em a little? Get real.

Cheney is a beast. He is the worst kind of human...a pussy himself who advocates the most atrocious behavior towards others.

.

[90-percent]

106. only waterboarding

that might work for one episode, but 6 or 7 times a day for over a month?

That's fucking torture, pure and simple.

-90% jimmy

[Just-plain-Kathy]

130. We saw the pictures of much worst. Obama has to go after Bush for starting a war based on lies.

Obama has to prove 2000 and 2002 elections were stolen. Obama has get "patriotic" and fight for our "freedoms". ...Too may people feel that torturing people who would "chop off your head", isn't such a bad thing.

[rfranklin]

96. It was a bit more sophisticated than that....

Bush was in charge, having the final say, but Cheney controlled the flow of information to control the "decider." He is a ninja master of the bureaucratic martial arts.

[Odin2005]

39. LOL, great zinger by Tweety.

:rofl:

[Kablooie]

47. And Cheney wants them to reveal the intelligence they got from torture.

Revealing the specific intelligence they have on terrorist groups seems to be terribly risky. That's the kind of info that Top Secret is designed for.

[annabanana]

59. (not if there isn't any). . . n/t

[Kablooie]

67. You're right. We should stop calling it 'intelligence' because it's not.

[LiberalLovinLug]

113. Cheney thinks he's so damn smart

He can say "we got a lot of valuable information from certain "techniques" and it saved American lives"

When someone asks him "What information?"

Its the same "I can't tell you or it would jeopardize national security".

We all know they got squat from the hours upon hours of inhumane, degrading, unconstitutional, violations on other human beings. Some just picked up off the field by War Lord minions and sold for a reward to American troops, whether they were simply farmers, or taxi drivers.

Because you damn well know that Cheney would have cock-a-doodled loud and long about some foiled plot and trotted out the conspirators before the MSM, so he and the chimp could parade around behind them, with their feathers all preened and shiny.

[NEOBuckeye]

129. Smart... by half. n/t

[bdamomma]

74. george couldn't care less,

[louis-t]

83. Chee-nee is the little Dutch boy

with his finger in the dike.

[katty]

89. darth is running really scared-he should STFU now

[tomm2thumbs]

92. should be the 'no taxes on the rich' and 'torture' party

I think <grin>

[babylonsister]

4. You're right and I'm ready. Thankfully, many more Americans respect

him than the whole of the GOP.

[DevonRex]

5. K&R. This could get bad, on many, many levels. nt

[Avalux]

6. Obama is ready and so are we. They call him weak when in reality they're terrified of his strength.

BRING IT ON LOSERS. :toast:

[elleng]

51. And its so clearly untrue!

Just watch how he handle things, day to day, including 'messes.'

[bdamomma]

75. and afraid Obama's plans will work out too.

[polmaven]

77. What a great thought!

You are absolutely right. They are shaking in their boots. They know they have committed unspeakable crimes, and, unlike Nixon, they do not have a "pardon friendly" successor.

Maybe if they call him enough names, they think, he will feel intimidated and stop.

I think they have a surprise coming. This is not a president who will easily bullied.

[Ikonoklast]

7. And when the statements, pictures, witnesses come out in the open

for the torture and murder done in the name of our country by these sick, depraved worshippers of death, the hue and cry for their prosecution will be relentless.

[cali]

12. yes. but we have to get there first. that's the rocky part.

[Ikonoklast]

28. The Great Wall of China is built with single bricks.

I see bricks being made, one at a time.

[Laelth]

8. Obama's teflon is stronger than Reagan's.

I don't care what they throw at him, it won't stick.

:dem:

-Laelth

[tridim]

27. What else is left to throw?

They're already calling him a fascist. I guess they could start calling him a child molester or something.

You're probably right, nothing will stick. I think the rubber/glue theory will come into effect as soon as they escalate the name calling to these levels.

[Laelth]

33. Chimpy might throw some poo, but they don't have much left in their arsenal. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[ecstatic]

9. You're right. It really has started

Pat is usually a racist rw'er, but I noticed a huge shift in his tone yesterday. Downright nasty, vicious... desperate. Yes, they are organizing now and it's going to get ugly.

[cali]

18. I noticed it today on CNN

And I actually tuned in to the nightly newscasts tonight to see what the tone was there. Bad.

[JuniperLea]

23. Whoa! You actually turned on a tube?

I'm impressed.

:hi:

I noticed something this morning as I readied for work to the harsh tones of the morning news. They were talking about Obama... doesn't really matter what the issue is because they all treat it exactly the same way. The shocker to me was that after all the video was run showing Pubbies bashing Obama and all the lies, the talking head actually said a few words to set them all straight! Not that too many noticed, I'm sure.

The lies, the blatant sick, twisted lies are what really piss me off.

You're right about the storm, and I think this last go-round with nay-sayers shows how easily and quickly some of us are to jump on the Obama bashing bandwagon. That instant society thing.

Batten down those hatches!

[elleng]

50. I didn't notice anything 'bad' about nbc.

It surely will happen, among some. Watch the rest of the world surround and protect him!

[OneGrassRoot]

10. It's time. I'm ready. n/t

[disndat]

105. Obama's majestic MLK

moment. May God bless him, protect him and triple his security guard.

[grasswire]

11. the people must provide cover

That's the only way we're going to get what we want.

We must demand. We must be "unruly in the streets" as Bill Moyers' guests have said.

Give the man cover, and he can clean things up.

[Cha]

15. I agree..we must be

the Change.

[wildflower]

13. It's definitely started; they've got Lieberman out there again...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8361315&mesg_id=8361315

[annabanana]

30. Jon Stewart's Droopy voice is all people are hearing when he comes on..

He has no juice.

[Odin2005]

42. When the Neo-Cons bring out Looserman you know they're running scared.

[bdamomma]

76. where is Lindsay he also has something worthless to say too.

[Skidmore]

14. PS to my above reply...We can't back down, even if it

takes out a few corrupt Dems in the process. We'll be stronger as a nation to run better candidates in their districts. We don't need Dems like Harman.

[Canuckistanian]

16. Ok, we'll be ready

Information is our best ally. And the facts are against Obama's detractors.

And more importantly, so are the polls.

[Uzybone]

17. how true

the kitchen sink strategy again. Except this time the GOP loads up the sink with sewage before flinging it.

[Kind of Blue]

21. Agreed, the kitchen sink from the sinking ship.

Garbage in garbage out. All our amazing president needs is loud and clear support.

[ErinBerin84]

19. k & r

[JohnnyLib2]

20. Wish I could disagree--but I can't..

The end of the traditional "honeymoon" always comes, and in this case there is colossal investment in the justifications for the Bush years. Your warning makes every bit of sense, IMO.

[ejpoeta]

22. i think obama knows exactly what he is in for. this isn't his first rodeo.

and i am confident that he knows how to fight it. he's been doing ok so far.

[chill_wind]

No one should underestimate the madness of men

who carried out 8 years worth of war criminal activity without plans or expectations of having to answer in their lifetimes- ever. It was as if they never expected to be exposed, because they never expected to relinquish their power to prevent it.

OR. They HAVE contingency plans for themselves and their wealth and their families... and don't plan to go passively to theoretic proceedings that could mean years to life.. or even the Hague.

[babsbunny]

24. Sorry, this won't happen

unless that's what you and everyone else projects. Lets project how wonderful this is going to be, I've been waiting a very long time. It's gonna be alright!

[Pharaoh]

43. I'm with you babs

too much negative projection :popcorn: :hide: :shrug: :hi:

[pjt7]

80. I look forward to the fight

It's the only way to get our Country back.

[opihimoimoi]

25. Keep the guard up....but I think this Blame Game as usual is gonna backfire as it did on 08

The GOP is fucked....by themselves through gross Imcompetence and BS...their Name is Doomed....sullied by the likes of Rove, Cheney, and lilbush.....Brown helped too.....

bur...seriously....Obama is holdinmg out quite well considering the Pub Onslaught....it means no one is listening to the Pubs Tales..

Work for the Plan w the best odds....it won't be the Pubs Inventory.......

[ACTION BASTARD]

26. I love this shit! Obama has the GOP on the ropes without breaking sweat...

By throwing this at them, they all have to spend their time trying to defend TORTURE? Hah. And, it keeps Dick "Mr. Poison" Cheney and his 19% approval rating front & center of the media's attention. Cheney is a gift that keeps giving.

This is living!

[annabanana]

29. They have lost their teeth. They have no credible spokespeople.

The media is checked by 24/7 online vetting, making it harder to sell outright lies. There was a test of their muscle on tax day, and it fell well short of the mark.

I don't think they can do it.

[mikekohr]

31. "Accused of being weak," Let Us Not Forget that Barack the Pirate Killer

greased three more buccaneers than the last 5 Republican presidents put together.

Arrrrrrrrrrrr,

mike kohr

[annabanana]

32. My only real concern is the

physical safety of the key players.

[Laelth]

34. That is a real concern. I agree. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[vaberella]

41. I can't deny this. n/t

[bertman]

35. I agree 100%, cali. But I think the American people are already seeing through the

corporate media bullshit in a big way. The media and Reichwingers have been throwing grenades since inauguration day and the people have seen through it. That's why the PTB are freaking out.

We just have to stand by him and keep talking to friends and family and anyone who will listen, to keep them focused on the truth and not the corporate media propaganda.

Recommend.

[Odin2005]

36. This might be his "They hate me and I welcome their hatred" moment (to quote FDR.)

Get the flame retardant, folks, the Neo-Cons are gonna blow!!!

[Kajsa]

37. I will support him.

He's been able to withstand the worst lies,insinuations
and garbage they've thrown at him so far.

He will do it again.

The Rabid Repugs are desperate and will do anything to
bring him down.

The good news is, a lot of people know this and aren't
buying into it.

[islandgirl808]

40. idk if the Pres is scared

but i'm terrified for him! we are talking about people with the means to make this very very very ugly.

we must stand by him.

and we must hold the media accountable too.

the average american can easily be swayed and i don't want anyone swinging to the right.

[valerief]

44. Do Americans really believe the attack bullshit? I don't think so.

I think they see where "cowboy" leadership has gotten us.

[cali]

45. Americans are persuadable. And the media still wields huge power.

[Lilyeye]

122. My thoughts exactly. I try to give the public credit...However

I've already heard people who voted for Obama claiming they're sorry they voted for him because they believe the lies about the taxes and the budget. Normally I would have thought these people were full of crap, but they were openly vocal about supporting him for a while.

[nookiemonster]

48. Oh yeah. These shit-stains aren't leaving without a fight.

Bank on it.

America's gotta can of whoopass just waitin' to be popped. It's time to rid ourselves of these traitorous assholes.


:spank:

[Sparkly]

49. "The wrath of Washington?" I don't think so!

The wrath of the rightwing, maybe, but they don't rule Washington anymore.

They are truly The Fringe. They don't represent "mainstream America." They are irrelevant.

[cali]

52. if you think it's only the right wing or repukes you have a nasty surprise

coming.

[Sparkly]

55. We aren't in the minority anymore.

The president and his team can handle it.

[rhett o rick]

143. the rightwing fringe never controlled Washington the DC. They are a tool of the corporatist cabal.

Now the cabal is making inroads into the Democratic Party. Democrats helped republiCons pass the Kyle/Lincoln amendment to the budget to give the rich mega bucks.

[and-justice-for-all]

53. Doing the right thing is not always easy...

and some just can not handle it. Obama will be fine...

[Born_A_Truman]

54. I'm ready!

We'll have pie parties that make tea parties look like empty parking lots.

[gordianot]

56. As they lose the spin Battle there are fewer options left.

With assholes like Beck and Fox news encouraging sedition the GOP has almost adopted a battle that has never worked in American history. Cheney is trying to revive the old fear card (which no longer works) and has now managed to awaken the proverbial sleeping giant, when he could have walked.

No matter what happens the next attack on the American people and the American Government will be investigated. It now looks like that past crimes are now on the table again.

[chill_wind]

57. How quickly we forget. Establishment Washington has blood on its hands. A LOT of blood.

And the vested criminal oligarchy is comprised of more than a handful of its most visible lobbyists and any representatives in Congress who ever went to jail.

This, for example, was written at the height of the attempted take down over Rev Wright, but I don't know if the most arrogant corporatist media can be trusted to have ultimately changed their stripes all that permanently, since.

"Better buckle up. Obama has entered the crosshairs of America's criminal oligarchy and things are bound to get nasty."

(...)

America has blood on its hands. America, as Martin Luther King said, "is the greatest perpetrator of violence in the world today." So what else is new?

The media use every soapbox in the country to preach uber-nationalism and vilify America's critics as unpatriotic. That's why the wrath of the media has descended on Obama like a Texas hailstorm; they're afraid he doesn't understand who really runs things in America.

Wright means nothing to the media or to the men behind the curtain. If he didn't provide an avenue for denigrating Obama, he'd be treated with the same indifference as the thousands of other blacks who were herded at gunpoint into the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina. Better buckle up. Obama has entered the crosshairs of America's criminal oligarchy and things are bound to get nasty.



http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney04282008.html

MIKE WHITNEY
April 28, 2008

(bold & italics mine)

Vigilance.

[Gregorian]

58. Holder is going to get slammed as well.

Perhaps they'll focus on the justice department even more. This will go to a special prosecutor.

There will also be multiple attempts to undermine the prosecution.

I don't think anything short of brute force will derail this process.

[Life Long Dem]

60. This looks pretty desperate or mad.

I guess you need the audience before anything else.

Ratings have not budged and no one is listening, except when it's for the truth. And no one cares about the handshake or the disaster around the next corner either.

It goes more like how the President started uniting the world at the recent world event.... for a start.

[cali]

61. it's neither. it's simply my opinion that now that Obama has opened the door

for prosecutions, the forces that are desperately opposed to this, are going to act in increasingly desperate ways. And I think there's evidence that that's already started.

But by all means, dear heart, go for a silly ad hom to try and make your argument. It's just so brilliant of you.

[vanbean]

78. Be nice, Cali. You should apologize to Life Long Dem.

[cali]

109. sure

after lifelong dem apologizes for attacking my motives.

[vanbean]

152. That is just it, he wasn't attacking your motives. You are paranoid.

[Life Long Dem]

110. Huh?

MSM portrays the GOP.

Edit: this is in reply to vanbean.

[Life Long Dem]

62. What?

This is about MSM.

[sampsonblk]

63. From whence cometh the storm?

The GOP is a walking dead party.

Frankly, I am looking forward to the last throes of the GOP. The more they throw at him, the more they have to publicly justify what they have done. And its just making it worse for them.

Thank God Obama is not weak like some of the other Dem leaders. He has already withstood enough to crush a weaker man. I don't agree with Obama on everything, but the guy is definitely not a chump. And so far, that has made all the difference.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

66. Look at this bullshit CNN put out trying to make it look like the Obama Admin. agreed with torture.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_04/017854.php

[Jennicut]

64. Its already gotten viscious. The Rethugs are still acting arrogant.

They still don't totally get it. They are going down on a sinking ship. Not just loss of power but legally they are up a creek with no water. Bush and Cheney set their party back for years. The trust of the American people is gone.

[SeaLyons]

65. I have confidence Obama can handle whatever the

idiots throw at him. He has "right" on his side, and he has the majority of the people on his side.

[wowimthere]

68. I agree 100 percent!

[greiner3]

69. He used the 'No prosecuting the underlings';

I believe so that they can rat out their bosses. With decades long prison sentences looming over their heads these goons were not about to admit crap. Now, they can say they were just following orders. Spencer Tracy, your anguish is still relevant!

[Stargazer09]

70. K & R

I'm afraid you're right. It's going to get ugly. :scared:

[AlbertCat]

72. It's going to get ugly.

It hasn't been ugly for the past 16 years?????

The difference this time is Congress is not run by Gingrich and Delay. They'll be investigating other things besides 20 year old failed land deals and blow jobs.

[Stargazer09]

127. I never said it hasn't been ugly before now

I'm just saying that it's going to get ugly for President Obama now. Even uglier than it has been so far.

[AlbertCat]

71. This is news? You're just figuring this out?

[Soylent Brice]

73. this statement could not be more accurate:

"we need to support him when he's right even more vigorously than we do when we think he's in the wrong."

K&R

[pjt7]

79. The small amount of criminals in our inteligence agency

don't have a leg to stand on.

[RedCloud]

81. Just think of the enemy as Klansmen. That's not far fetched.

They just make sure they never go public like former Senator Allen did before Webb beat him.

[HereSince1628]

82. There's no need to fear, the Underground is HERE!

Sticks and stones may break his bones but shrill words will never hurt him.

We need to keep pushing him to support investigation with the aim of prosecution.

Or

We need to learn a lot about puppies so we can have something to talk about.

[Bonhomme Richard]

85. The great thing about Cheney is that just about everyone hates him.

The repugs will try to get some traction but if they don't they will throw him under the bus and he knows it.
I just worry about Obama's safety. I don't put anything past these people and he is really shaking things up.

[Dappleganger]

86. Washington has an appointment with Justice.

She will not suffer anyone who attempts to delay or derail her integrity.

[MannyGoldstein]

87. He Needs To Find The Pair He Lost

As Candidate Obama, he spoke forcefully and strong, and it worked - remember the Rev. Wright insanity, and how it evaporated when Obama got out in front of it?

President Obama has been weak, very weak. Passing the buck on war crimes prosecution to his AG, when the evidence is clear as day? Absurd.

Obama needs to do the right thing, and do it clearly and strongly. He needs to get out in front of America and regain the moral authority he had as a candidate. He needs to take personal responsibility, as he urges us all to do.

[mvd]

95. Remember that Obama does not prosecute

His language sounds like he's trying to walk a tightrope, but all we need is for him is to let Holder do his job. Remember that Holder called some Bush policies unlawful.

[Name removed]

101. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AzDar]

88. Somebody's gotta do it. And the President has most of the country behind him.

:patriot:

[jillan]

90. I am here for you Obama!

[Auggie]

91. I support you, Mr. President

[mvd]

93. I will support him 110%

:thumbsup:

[Captain Hilts]

94. If people have to choose to support Cheney or Obama...Obama wins. nt

[Land Shark]

97. The arguments against torture are easy & simple & powerful, once understood

Of course, that doesn't mean that they will be articulated or presented in that fashion in the media, or by spokespersons. Sigh.

Torture/inhuman and degrading treatment: NO EXCEPTIONS not in time of war, not ever. Don't need a treaty to make it binding, it is a "jus cogens" norm of international law. See Nuremberg. Orders don't matter in the sense of being an excuse.

if the touchstones of the Obama administration are transparency AND the rule of law, as he said, his hands are appropriately tied. He'e executing the law.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

98. Obama does OK against kitchen sinks

[Lena inRI]

99. Let 'er rip, Mr. Holder. . .

. . .I've been ready for 8 years.

Plus the MAJORITY of PEOPLE have President Obama's back. . .

including this guy:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3085482.stm

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[CTyankee]

107. Serious dude, that guy. Also a hottie...reminds me a little of Joe Wilson...nt

[Lena inRI]

118. LOL. . .I see what ya mean but. . .

. . .I'd say Juez Garzon looks more like Josh Brolin:



Also, what makes him a hottie is not so much his good looks as his unswerving courage. . .

magnum steel cahones . . .

Juez Garzon. . .President Obama. . .AG Holder all demonstrating truly courageous CAHONES.

Hey, thanks for the silly diversion anyway, CTyankee.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

148. thanks for telling us who he is.

The spanish judge who decided to go forward with charges against the Bush Admin, right?

[Lena inRI]

149. Yes, his bio link is under his photo in my post 99. . .

. . .Juez (Judge) Garzon. . .here is link again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3085482.stm

So glad this judge is on our side!

[olegramps]

102. The best defense is a massive offense.

I wish that some young energetic people would organize a massive protest demanding the prosecution of every member of the Bush administration that is guilty of this crime of the use of torture. This would be the most effect means of silencing the scum bag Republicans. I would be more than glad to contribute financially to bring this about.

[kleec]

103. K&R

All my support to the investigation into this horror of torture. I am soundly supporting President Obama. Oh Yes, it's definitely past time to hold the past administration to account. If that means some Dems were involved, so be it, we would be better off without them as well.

[Wizard777]

104. FUCK THEM! We've got his back every step of the way.

It's really THAT simple.

[GrizzlyMan]

108. Careful not to piss your pants

All this hand wringing over Dick Fuckin Cheney? Thank God Obama and his staff have more composure.

[freemarketer6]

111. As much as I desperately want Bush, Cheney and Crew to

be held accountable for torture, I don't--based on what I have seen of the MO of the current administration--think anything substantive will happen. But a very good show is about to take place.

[chknltl]

112. I HOPE that you folks here are right.

I still have HOPE btw. It first flickered into existence when I listened to Senator Obama give that magical keynote speech at the DNC during the '04 election cycle. It grew stronger when Senator Obama announced that he would have a run at the Presidency, then during his run it turned into something stronger than HOPE- YES WE CAN! ....and then YES WE DID!

Lately, with all the Obama bashing around here, some perhaps deserved, some not deserved (and some freeper inspired), that flame of HOPE dimmed for me.

OP's and posts in the DU like those found here help re-bolster that HOPE!

My best thoughts, vibes, wishes and a worlds HOPE are behind Barack Obama. Our President has my support. Go Get 'Em Tiger!

[Mme. Defarge]

114. K&R!

[depakid]

115. Those people work tirelessly to destroy the administration anyway

That's the take home lesson that all too many Democrats seem yet to have learned.

[rucky]

116. Get under the Giant Gay Repellent Umbrella - quick!

[nichomachus]

117. Please, please tell me

that "storm brewing" is not going to join "under the bus" among the most overused expressions in the history of the English language.

[Senator]

119. deleted

[cali]

120. lol no. just no.

I don't think he's cowardly. I think he's playing chess and you're not at Candyland level yet.

I also think your pov is a very bushy sort of pov- all black/white, good/evil. Very all American of you. Sad.

[Senator]

121. Sometimes things are black and white.

Torture is one of those things.

[cali]

123. indeed, torture is one of those things, but the poster was

addressing something that extends far beyond torture: what is the best way to get to prosescutions of torturers and that is not a black/white matter.

[Senator]

124. It is one and the same.

[cali]

126. no, it really, really is not one and the same.

It's not just some nike ad where you can "just do it". It's a chess game with skilled enemies and institutional powers.

[90-percent]

125. Keep it up

Keep it up, Dicko! Remind all Americans each and every day on as many Fox Channels as can fit you that you and others COMMITTED TREASON AND GOT AWAY WITH MASS MURDER!

Every day. Don't go back into the undisclosed hidey hole like usual. Shout it on the rooftops every day, Dick! Tell us how good torture is and obama is making us less safe.

We just can't hear enough from you Dick. We want to relive each of your days for the last eight years. Share those moments of your greatness with us, Dick?

OR at least guest on Rachel's show?

-90% jimmy

[graywarrior]

128. The thunder clouds have been churning for weeks, which is why

I have not participated in any Obama criticism here or elsewhere. I watched how the republicans just won a special election in my area by spreading rumors about the democrat candidate being a pedophile and beating his wife...which is ridiculous...but people I know believed it and voted for the republican.

They will stop at nothing to prevent the truth from coming out or to win.

[cali]

132. ugh. yeah. I heard about that. Jeb Spaulding, right?

Is he going to try for the U.S. Senate next?

[graywarrior]

133. He claims not....but he's a liar

We all know he will.

[debunkthelies]

131. K&R

You've got that right.

[McCamy Taylor]

134. The WH has set up AG Eric Holder to take the heat. He is the one who needs to stay out

of private planes.

Holder keeps rising in my estimation, and if he appoints a special prosecutor, he will be my new hero.

[cali]

135. no, the WH hasn't set up Holder. That;'s his job.

but I agree, he seems to be a solid guy.

[feslen]

136. re: all I can say is...

BRING IT ON! I hope Obama brings the light on these evil criminals...they fear the light and the truth... they can't handle the truth!

[bowens43]

137. there is a storm coming but it's not going to be hitting Obama......

the neo-cons see jail in their futures.

[polichick]

141. That's how I see it too.

[northernlights]

138. wild animals are at their most dangerous when they're cornered

and wounded. But I'm sure President Obama and company know this.

[cali]

140. you can know it and you can still get gored. not saying that's going to

happen, but that's the danger.

[certainot]

139. your local talk radio station does the groundwork

that's where to get obama's back- call complain boycott and picket the local talk radio stations and their local sponsors when they lie about and threaten obama and they do it all day every day

many local sponsors are just trying to get on the biggest stations in the state and often are not aware what is being said in their names by a pack of loudmouths who have been wrong about everything but happen to sit on the biggest soapbox in the country, usually protected from real calls by call screeners

[cali]

142. I'm sure that's true in most places

it's not true in my state. There's just not much of an appetite for conservative radio in VT.

[certainot]

146. VT is lucky

the RW talk radio monopoly dominates politics in many red states (with lots of senators) and pushes limbaugh (blue dog) dems around.

one local blowhard on a megastation reading chamber of commerce and GOP talking points can undo the work of thousands of citizens volunteering a few hours and dollars here and there. those stations are GOP political powerhouses- ignoring it has been a disaster for all americans- we wouldn't be in this pile of shit.

[Reterr]

144. Apparently RW talk radio here is framing it all in terms of that dumb show "24"

I really wonder just how delusional RW nuts are sometimes. A coworker was telling me that a local moran phrases it entirely in terms of that Jack Barr character and some idiotic scenario involving a "nucular" attack and 2 minutes to save the world blah blah.

I just don't get it. Do Freepers actually believe that "24" is a documentary series? Every other time I hear a wingnut address this issue, they drag that show into it. Is this all they have? A b-grade tv show with bizarre plots?

[Blue_Roses]

145. yep there's something in the air...

and there's no doubt he does and will have my support:patriot:

[SKKY]

147. If Holder goes through with this, and the dirty details come out...

...they'll be spending so much time covering their own asses that they won't have time to take shots at Obama.

[northernlights]

151. I'm not worried about rightwing verbal shots

The kind of shots I fear come from hired guns. Maybe you had to live it, but I came of age with JFK, RFK and MLK. They will stop at nothing.

As the posse closes in on Cheney, * and their merry gang of viscious thugs, it could get very, very ugly.

It's no longer egos, bank accounts and imagined legacies at stake. If Obama is *truly* leaving the door open to war crimes prosecution for those who ordered it, then their lives are at stake.

In that case, they won't stop at character assassination. I just hope the security around the Obamas, the Holders, and the potential witnesses stays very tight.

And looking at the past few weeks, it's starting to look like President Obama has got them surrounded. I'm beginning to think even Holder's announcement of wanting to lower pot limits was a game intended to arouse the passions of the ever-widening base. Got people up in arms -- we're going to jail kids for having a couple joints and let torturers and murderers walk? And then Obama releases the memos, and even more people are incensed. So Obama rallies the people around torture.

[Christa]

150. Last night we had a visitor

a staunch Republican. I have never seen so much venom and hate in a person. She said the Repubs are getting ready to take the country back, by force is necessary. I found it unbelievable that she believes all the lies - it felt as if I was in the Twilight zone.