Pre-emptive war vs torture

[PufPuf23]

I am and have been nauseated by the torture.

Still the torture seems like less the crime than the needless pre-emptive war on Iraq complete with a "Shock & Awe" marketing campaign in the MSM. There were 100,000s of innocents killed many woman and children and a society destroyed.

We know we were lied into war. For some reason bombs blowing innocents to pieces, however impersonal compared to torture, was far far greater in extent.

What am I missing?

[shraby]

1. You're not missing anything..both are considered

war crimes. Both are against the constitution we hold dear. Both should be prosecuted as such.

[PufPuf23]

2. My 2nd OP ever and ignored ;o(

I agree with you.

Trying to figure what what will occur is Mr Toad's wild ride.

[pat_k]

3. War crimes are war crimes. Intolerable is intolerable.

. . .both "pre-emptive war" and subjecting people in the custody of the state to "cruel, degrading, or inhumane" treatment are war crimes. Both are intolerable. Something is intolerable or not. There is no such thing as "more intolerable" or "less intolerable." (IMO, your mileage may vary)

[thedeanpeople]

4. K&R

[Senator]

5. Obama's Crime Is Worse Than Both (yes, really)

Because while criminals like bushcheney may come and go, a corrupt police force institutionalizes approval for all their crimes.

The rest of the impeachophobic beltway "leadership" is just as guilty of this far worse offense.

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[TheKentuckian]

6. So are we about to start demanding the heads of soldiers, sailors, and pilots

that participated in our illegal wars or will leadership work in that case?

Going after CIA operatives is just like going after a soldier just back from the sand, in my opinion. Get the ringleaders and justice is done.

[PufPuf23]

7. Ringleaders yes, officers and lifers justifiably but probably not.

Grunts are scapegoats.

This is from the perspective of a planned non-religious CO in Vietnam that got #318 in the first draft lottery.

[Senator]

8. No, CIA operatives are not like soldiers.

They are not "lawful combatants." They are civilians. And they can resign.

Soldiers are immune from prosecution for participating in "illegal wars." And soldiers are trained not to commit war crimes, for which they have no immunity.

There is no legal or moral analogy.

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[TheBigotBasher]

9. A CIA Operative today

is a future Presidential advisor tomorrow. They knew what they are doing. Following orders is not a defece.