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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 09:58 AM
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In Geithner We Trust
http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/3/19/31440/2976#readmore

In Geithner We Trust

by Charles Lemos, Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 03:14:40 AM EST


Alright, alright, perhaps not we, maybe just me after reading a number of posts on this blog and other blogs savaging our young Secretary of the Treasury. And maybe not trust either, for I can't say I fully understand the inaction on certain fronts but certainly I think it fair to extend the Secretary and the President the benefit of the doubt and the gift of time.

As the New York Times finds Secretary Geithner is "shouldering more crises on his slight frame than most Treasury secretaries ever have." And I think it relevant to note that he is doing so without the usual complement of Treasury assistants because of Administration delays in vetting potential nominees and due to candidates who have withdrawn. In short, Mr. Geithner is not just the quarterback right now but the wide receiver, the running back and the offensive line doing the blocking and tackling.

Let's also be cognizant of the task at hand and difficulty of the moment. As the President noted in his defense of the Secretary on the White House lawn before setting out for California, "there has never been a secretary of the treasury, except maybe Alexander Hamilton, right after the Revolutionary War, who's had to deal with the multiplicity of issues that Secretary Geithner is having to deal with -- all at the same time." President Obama added that "Nobody is working harder than this guy. He is making all the right moves in terms of playing a bad hand."

But beyond this if Geithner is axed now what does that say about the President's decision making? Eamon Javers over at Politico is right to point out that any move to replace Geithner now could be viewed by the markets as a sign of panic.

It would open up Obama to charges that he bungled one of his first significant personnel picks, as Geithner was chosen about three weeks after Obama was elected. And it would only exacerbate the situation at Treasury, where many top jobs remain unfilled and several top appointees backed out in recent weeks over issues that arose during their vetting.


We have had a vacuum at the Treasury Department for most of the Bush years. Hank Paulson, the last of Bush's Secretaries, was the only one with any muscle and we are correcting 30 years of mistakes. To expect a turnaround in less than 3 months is unreasonable. Furthermore, where are these attacks coming from? Mostly from the right but also from the left. The ones from the right such Connie Mack's assertion that "quite simply, the Timothy Geithner experience has been a disaster" is easily dismissed. After all who are the Republicans to preach about disasters. But the ones from the center and the left are a different order, these center over policy disagreements and mostly on the issue of the nationalization of the banks. To call for a resignation over a policy dispute before the policy is even fully articulated seems a little sanctimonious and a dangerous precedent to set.

Replacing Tim Geithner now also would seriously undermine the Obama economic agenda just as it is getting pitched to Congress and the nation. No doubt that there many progressive economists who differ with the Secretary over how to handle the banks and their NPLs but at the same time no major banks have failed as yet and the Secretary has pushed hard for the banks to aggressively write down their toxic securities in advance of the stress test.

The Secretary and the President deserve the benefit of the doubt and the gift of time. Secretary Geithner deserves time to prove indeed that he is the boy wonder. As he stated to Charlie Rose in an interview last week, "we start{ed} with a mess, a deep mess, made worse by the deepening recession and these things are pitting on themselves. And it's very important for people to understand, it's going to take some time to work through this. But what I want people to know is that we're going to do what's necessary to get through it. And these things will get traction. They will start to help unfreeze things, and they will help lay the foundation for recovery."
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:00 AM
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1. K & R for prudence
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:01 AM
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2. Replacing any Treasury Secretary right now would not be a good idea
imo...its not like there is anyone else around to pick up the slack while we wait around for the next person to get confirmed.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:02 AM
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3. Everyone has their own opinion.
Personally I think he continues to damage Obama and should have been gone a while ago.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:06 AM
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9. He'll damage Obama if the r/w, and others, force him out. nt
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 AM
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14. Like I said
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 10:16 AM by Marrah_G
I just really disagree with you on this one.

More then anything I want Obama to succeed, we NEED him to succeed. But sticking our head in the sand or just cheer leading everything he does won't make him a success, it only makes him a success in our fantasies.

Maybe you are right. Maybe it will all work out.

After this latest round of shit with Dodd and the amendment I am feeling pretty disgusted with the entire washington establishment.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:03 AM
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4. Tim Geithner is an opponent of limits on executive compensation....
...who is handing endless billions to big corporations.

I want him replaced with someone better.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:07 AM
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10. And I want to give him more than 2 months in this admin to prove
himself. The sky really isn't falling.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:11 AM
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12. You don't trust T.G. when he says he's for big pay for big failure? You need to see him do it?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 AM
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15. Link? nt
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:21 AM
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20. Geithner explains "why he approved the AIG bonuses"
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:21 AM
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22. Now, how many months of failure coddling do you need to see?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:29 AM
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24. Did you bother to read the letter? Where does it say
he approved the bonuses? If I'm understanding correctly, he didn't know about the bonuses until recently.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:46 AM
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32. Apparently YOU didn't read it. It's in paragraph 3.
The paragraph starts with this sentence:

"The more troubling part of the letter, though, is Tim Geithner's description of his own approval of the bonuses"

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:47 AM
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33. So how many months do you need to watch T.G. cave to wall street?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:49 AM
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34. "Last week when I was first informed..." Huh?
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 10:56 AM by babylonsister
Third para. of the letter. He's saying he didn't even know about the bonuses until last week.

And you're a bit snotty for someone who has reading comprehension problems.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:08 AM
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38. We're not arguing about the timing, we're arguing about the coddling ....
... He knew about it - he did nothing as he explains.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:11 AM
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40. No. We're not arguing. I'm not. I'm done. Have fun with your misery.
And it's not a great idea to change the topic in the middle of the stream, but have at it. Maybe you'll find someone else to agree with your convoluted reasoning. Bye now.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:21 AM
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42. How many months of coddling can you watch? Apparently a lot.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:55 AM
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37. Here's another article on Geithner's opposition to being tough on wall street
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:09 AM
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39. Are you done link-stalling? Ready to explain how many months you want to watch T.G. Coddle?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:17 AM
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17. It's some supporters of the bailout who say the sky will fall unless we give endless billions...
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 10:17 AM by Eric J in MN
...to big corporations.

Do you support Tim Geithner's decision to give another $30 billion to AIG?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:20 AM
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19. I don't profess to know what will fix this economy.
And I don't have experts to consult with, unlike President Obama. Do you think they're not considering all angles before they do what they do? If that money isn't lent to AIG, do you know what will happen?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:27 AM
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23. If AIG doesn't get more money, then it will have to declare bankruptcy,
...and a bankruptcy judge will decide what happens with the account-holders, creditors, etc.

I have more trust in random bankruptcy judge than in the process of Tim Geithner giving AIG billions and then more billions and then more billions.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:33 AM
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28. Declare bankruptcy. There's a thought. And what would that do
to the rest of the world? Do you know how involved AIG really is?


Lawmaker: AIG failure would 'bring down Europe'
Reuters
March 05, 2009: 05:45 PM ET

By Rachelle Younglai


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government rescued giant insurer American International Group in part because its collapse would dramatically hurt European banks, a senior Democratic lawmaker said Thursday.

snip//

"That's why we could not allow AIG to fail as we allowed Lehman (Brothers) to fail, because that would have precipitated the failure of the European banking system," he said.

more...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/reuters/MTFH29034_2009-03-05_22-45-44_N05498535.htm
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:40 AM
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30. The Europeans can address the impact on their banks.
We shouldn't have given AIG $180 billion.

Are you familiar with "Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski"? I'm not.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:44 AM
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31. AIG is an international company. So let Europe
fail? You're not being realistic.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:52 AM
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35. Europe can go on without AIG. So can the US.
It's an insurance company which owns an awful investment bank.

The insurance accounts can be transferred.

The people who engaged in credit default swaps with the investment bank who haven't already been paid off by the US government can absorb their losses.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:03 AM
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5. A voice of sanity. K&R. Thanks. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:50 PM
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50. don't worry there won't be another for atleast a couple of days
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:04 AM
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6. Get rid of him. He's a Wall Street flunky. (nt)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:05 AM
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8. And let Obama take the fall? No. nt
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:09 AM
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11. Geither is taking us all down with his focus on bailing out stockholders. (nt)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 AM
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13. Why aren't you holding Bush and the GOP
responsible? This is dumb. You're taking the bait hook, line and sinker.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/flashback-it-was-bush-gop_n_176442.html
Flashback: It Was Bush, GOP That Opposed Executive Compensation Caps

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/18/obama-aig-fire/
FLASHBACK: In October, Obama Said That AIG Executives ‘Should Be Fired’ For Their Excesses

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/03/18/geithner-resignation-bandwagon-starts-rolling-in-house-gop/
Geithner resignation bandwagon starts rolling in House GOP

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 AM
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16. Because its just easier to blame one person
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:18 AM
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18. I'm absolutely floored by the
knee jerk reaction by Dems recently.

Does anyone remember how we got here to begin with? How about placing blame where it's due? And how about all these massive messes that need cleaning up? Yet we continue to eat our own.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:19 AM
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41. No one's blaming T.G. for the mess - They're blaming him for botching the cleanup.....
.... because he's more concerned with the welfare of his buddies who did this to us.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:43 PM
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57. Exactly (n/t)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:01 PM
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44. I am floored by the...
...knee jerk reactions of the cheerleaders and the blind enablers.

"If Obama does it, I'm for it!"



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:04 PM
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45. See post #13 and get back to me. Or don't. I don't actually care. nt
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 12:04 PM by babylonsister
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:02 PM
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56. Shrub is no longer in charge and we are supposed to be cleaning up DC. n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:31 PM
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48. Actually..it's Obama..
Obama chooses his cabinet members..and it is his policy they are hired to achieve. If Geithner has failed in the last however many weeks..Obama is to blame.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:04 AM
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7. I agree with this article. Calling for his head this early in the game
won't do us any good. It took us a long time to get into this mess and there is no easy fix. The republicans would love it. I'm glad it sounds as if President Obama plans to keep him on and continue working to fix this colossal mess.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:32 AM
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27. It appeals to the little-minded clowns who see only "villains"
Rather than systemic problems.

They want to hang somebody, anybody. And anybody will do. These people watch too many bad adventure movies, and have forgotten how to think.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:21 AM
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21. I think Tim should hire Hank Paulson as an assistant. I hear a couple of former Merrill
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 10:21 AM by burythehatchet
execs are also available. I know the Citibank economist has been hired by Geithner. He should do ahead and do the full monty.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:30 AM
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25. Geithner's trying the defuse a bomb, with a pack of idiots yelling "CUT ANY WIRE!!!" all around him
Lynch mobs are never pretty. When they are plying their silly trade in the midst of real crisis, they are that much worse.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:54 AM
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36. I like this analogy!
And I have a feeling he's working so hard that he doesn't have time to hear the hysteria around him.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:26 AM
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43. Is he? I see him making sure the bomb planters get as much money as possible ....
... we know to do with the bomb, cover it in money. I just don't see why he's not trying to stop the bombers profiting and thereby give them incentives to make more bombs.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:08 PM
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47. He's one of the tools who built the bomb
Would you trust a terrorist to disarm his own bomb? (not that I'm calling Timmy a terrorist, but it's your analogy)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 06:37 PM
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54. wish I could rec your post a hundred times.
Can I quote you if I attribute the comment to you?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:31 AM
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26. If Geithner had a better track record,
...or a reputation of being anything but a Wall Street Insider and one of the architects of our current meltdown, I might be willing to agree with you.

As it stands, handing out $BILLIONS$ to his Wall Street buddies has more than just the hint of impropriety.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:37 AM
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29. Amen. I've been against him from the start, and my opinion has not improved. nt
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:44 PM
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49. Geithner IS responsible
He was the New York Federal Reserve Governor. The second most powerful person at the Fed after Greenspan. This ASSHOLE, definitely deserves a huge portion of the blame for the current economic meltdown. His track record since he assumed the position of Treasury Secretary simply reeks of him trying to cover Wall Street's ass and no strings attached corporate welfare.

I think the real problem is he has the corporate establishments unshakable ideology of minimal regulation. He has Greenspans philosophy of market self regulation. So, when faced with the only prudent action of nationalizing the banking system and putting AIG into bankruptcy receivership, he can't wrap his little mind about doing what Sweden did in the 90's or the UK just did with the Bank of Scotland. Instead, he is exacerbating the magnitude and the duration of our financial meltdown.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 06:54 PM
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55. I have been opposed to Geithner's appointment since Day 1
I'm not sure whether it is worse for him to stay or worse for him to go at this particular moment, but he's never been the right person for the job.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:06 PM
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46. Warts and all, Geithner is real. God is just pretend.
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 03:12 PM by NAO
Just Pretend: A Freethought Book for Children
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Pretend-Freethought-Book-Children/dp/1877733059/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237493366&sr=8-1

Oh BTW,that "Jesus" guy never really existed, either.

Jesus Never Existed
http://jesusneverexisted.com/
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:52 PM
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51. The key is time people, TIME!
If it took Bush 8 years to screw it up, then it's going to take 8 to fix it.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:54 PM
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52. Say what you will of Geithner, the man is doing an HONORABLE thing and falling on his sword
He will step down by next week to spend more time with family
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 06:22 PM
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53. So, start looking for candidates now and replace him after a decent interval
If he turns against the whores he used to work for, then we could keep him. But only then.
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