Progressive blogger rips KO for claiming Gingrich endorsed child prostitution

[Louis-Emmanuel]

An AP article reported yesterday that Newt Gingrich advocated "paying teens who don't get pregnant and stay in school" during a speech in Michigan. As much as I think that idea is naive, I don't think KO should have gone as far as he went last night, when he likened Gingrich's remarks with a call for prostitution.

Olbermann last night:

"Pay poor people money not to smoke, pay teenage girls money not to get pregnant. Wait a minute. Paying teenage girls to not get pregnant while having sex. There is a flaw in that logic somewhere. What could it be? Oh yes, legally, that would be government-sponsored child prostitution. Newt bordello brain Gingrich, today's worst person in the world!"

But Gingrich does not ask teens to have sex. He asked them to simply not get pregnant, which can be achieved by abstaining from sex as well as using protection when having intercourse.

If girls wanted to take advantage of the money, doing nothing would suffice. There is no incentive under this proposal for her to go "omg I want State money so I better go sleep with Bobby!"

At any rate, Bob Somerby, progressive blogger hated by some here because he thinks our progressive leaders, too, should stick to the truth, today criticized KO's reaction and will provide an analysis tomorrow.

Here are the links to the AP article and Olbermann's accusation, as well as the Daily Howler's story in question, headlined "Smarmiest mind in the world":

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/251/story/645786.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29676575/
http://dailyhowler.com/dh031309.shtml

[ShortnFiery]

1. There's always ONE in every crowd. Ignore and they will disappear.

;)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Sounds like Bob Somerby's a first class dumbass.

[babylonsister]

3. Who cares. And who is Bob Somerby? Does he have nothing

else to worry about? KO was obviously reporting that tongue-in-cheek, he didn't actually accuse Gingrich of anything sordid.

Ridiculous what upsets people considering all the truly upsetting events going on.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

6. I don't understand how such a remark could have been "tongue in cheek"

KO explicitly spoke of this legally being child prostitution. If it was a joke, I have a very retarded sense of humor.

[babylonsister]

7. Then you must. Go check out a video and you tell me if KO acted

serious or even angry. I'll wait. :popcorn:

[biopowertoday]

25. Either do I. Ko needs to apologize to the public for this comment. It

is disgraceful.

[beachmom]

39. Actually, Somerby did some excellent work in exposing what the media did to Gore

as well as the Swiftboating of John Kerry. He worked tirelessly on those issues. He has criticized the media relentlessly over the years, and just sees in KO some bad tendencies. Feel free to agree or disagree, but I don't think he is easily dismissed.

[babylonsister]

41. Honestly, I don't recall ever hearing of him.

And this particular criticism seems kind of petty to me when there's so much else to criticize.

[xocet]

76. FYI...or Encountering Caveat Lector

Years ago, after Bush "was elected" I started reading (lurking) DU. Another site that I frequently looked at (lurked) was BartCop. "The Daily Howler" is run by Somerby (as I understand it) and was semi-frequently mentioned on BartCop.

At any rate, Somerby is not a new face on the scene:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Howler

I did not see the KO bit, but the motto of "The Daily Howler" is "Caveat Lector". That should place his commentary in context at least.

Also, it is interesting to check out the archives of "The Daily Howler" for perspective on his comments. Downthread from here, someone going by the name "Cheap_Trick" accuses Somerby of being a right-wing type. That doesn't seem to square with the evidence.

Anyway, I hope that you find this post useful.

[Canuckistanian]

103. Bob Somerby is the "Daily Howler" blogger

He achieved his fame mostly by documenting (in excruciating detail) the media destruction of Al Gore's presidential campaign.

But then, he's biased. He went to college with Al Gore.

I've been reading him since 1999. He was one of the must-read commentators back then, along with Buzzflash, Smirking Chimp, Media Whores Online and Bartcop. Oh, and this new upstart that came along in 2000 - "democraticundergarments" or something.

[anonymous171]

4. lol no. nt

[lob1]

5. No one has to analyze anything past "It's a joke".

No one really believes KO was accusing Gingrich of prostitution. Skip the analysis tomorrow. It was a joke.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

8. if it was a joke, how could it have been used to name him Worst Person in the World?

?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Because he's making fun of Gingrich, who was the worst person in the world.

Because of his stupid idea to pay teenage girls in exchange for certain sexual behaviour.

[NYCGirl]

12. Because paying teen girls not to get pregnant is a dumbass idea. NT

[lob1]

15. "Worst Person In The World" isn't a Nobel Peace Prize.

The name "Worst Person" is itself a tongue-in-cheek name. It's not Schindler's List, it's a list of assholes that KO pokes with a stick.

Edit: had to make "assholes" plural.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. Check the profile.

[Javaman]

93. It was more of a rhetorical question.

but that person is squeeky clean new. either they are a freep, former repuke or just plain dim.

[LittleClarkie]

22. Then perhaps it should have been funny.

That might have helped the understanding that it was a joke.

Things cease to be funny when you have to stretch that far to get there.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Meh.

It's not like there's any rational people out there who didn't know it was a joke.

[lob1]

30. Humor is in the eye of the beholder.

Look around. Most people here agree it was a joke.

[lapfog_1]

38. Stretch?

A LITERAL reading of Newt's proposal would indicate that he is willing to pay teenage girls to have sex (so long as they don't get
pregnant).

If Newt was suggesting to pay teenagers to NOT have sex, he could have just proposed that instead. Since he didn't, the implication
is that he is proposing to pay them to HAVE SEX and NOT GET PREGNANT.

KO was having a bit of fun with it and it was funny.

[firedupdem]

9. Nope. Try again. n/t

[lapfog_1]

10. WTF is a "Bob Somerby"???

And the stmt: "Bob Somerby, progressive blogger hated by some here because he thinks our progressive leaders, too, should stick to the truth" sort of sounds like something Sarah Palin would say... and also, there too, ya know.

I haven't seen a single DUer who hates someone because they speak the truth.

As for KO, he was having a bit of fun with the Newt.

As for the "pay for sex" part... if Newt was NOT in favor of paying for sex and no pregnancies, why didn't he just say "we will
pay teenagers, both boys and girls, to practice abstinence" rather than how he phrased it? And because he singled out girls,
it sure sounded like he wanted to pay the girls who have sex to not get pregnant.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

13. If name recognition determines credibility, you must trust Shawn Hannity

XBecause after all, everyone knows "WTF is Shawn Hannity."

There is a reason why ad-hominem attacks don't work.

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[babylonsister]

17. ...

:spray:

[Javaman]

80. I think you struck a nerve. ;) lol nt

[lapfog_1]

19. Asking WTF is a XXX is now an ad-hominem attack?

I'm asking who this person is that we all here supposedly hate.

He isn't a name I recognize. Nor is he a pundit on the TeeVee. In fact, a quick Google shows that he is SELF DESCRIBED as topical
humorist and editor of the "Daily Howler"... Again, something I've never heard of, even though its been around since 1998.

Maybe he isn't as big a deal as you seem to think.

The other points remain. KO was having a bit of fun. If Newt was going to pay for them the NOT have sex, he could have said so. But
he didn't.

[snowbear]

32. I'm with lapfrog... And why does the OP take Bob Whatzhisface for the Gospel Truth?

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...

[Louis-Emmanuel]

34. of course it is

why should you use his name recognition against him?

If my uncle Charlie says Bush is an idiot my uncle Charlie is right.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Actually, no it isn't.

Accusing somebody of being a Sean Hannity fan is ad hominem.

Asking who the hell a person is is a legitimate questions.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

57. You made that up

I saids that IF your friend believe that name recognition makes one more or less credible, THEN Hannity is credible in his view. Now he has to explain how name recognition affect a person's argument.

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[lapfog_1]

37. No, I'm questioning why YOU think that we all know this person.

You made the assumption that not only do we know who this person is, it is YOUR opinion that we "hate him because he wants other
progressive to speak the truth" (with the implication that we don't like the truth). I reject all of your assumptions/observations.
Starting with the implication that we all know about this blogger.

I don't know your uncle Charlie. Bush is an idiot.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

53. Huh? When did I assume you knew him?

If I had assumed you guys knew him, I would not have noted that he is a progressive blogger. And bby the way, a LOT of you know him based on the responses.

[shimmergal]

98. Sorry, there's some flaws with that argument.

How the *&%^# can you prove whether any teen, boy or girl, is practicing abstinence? Pregnancy is the only outcome that can be objectively known.

[lapfog_1]

102. Obviously you have to take their word for it.

Unless you want to start giving the girls random exams.

Easier would be to lock up the genitals of both sexes with chastity belts, since they can't be trusted.

Perhaps Newt should suggest that as an alternative use of the funds.

[Ikonoklast]

14. You sarcasm meter needs a tune-up.

Either that, or you are taking things just a tad too literally.

And just why on Earth should I give a care what Bob Somerby thinks?

But, thank you ever so much for your concern.

[jefferson_dem]

18. Somerby has a major-league inferiority complex...

Dismiss...

[biopowertoday]

20. It was a stupid thing for KO to say and he should be critiqued for

saying it on air.

[lapfog_1]

21. Why?

It was a joke. Obviously.

[jberryhill]

23. Yes, but...

Usually the WPITW piece relies on the actual and intended meaning of the person being lampooned.

Gingrich's point was to incentive non-pregnancy, not sex, so it was a bit off the mark relative to the usual fodder for that piece.

The humor in the segment generally comes from "OMG I can't believe that putz actually said that."

I Tivo KO, and on a slow news day, WPITW and Oddball are the only bits I watch.

[biopowertoday]

24. Joke? since when do journalists joke

about child prostitution? And accuse others of it on national TV!! KO is the joke when he does this. Democrats look pretty vile when they agree with what KO did.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Since when?

Since people like Newt Gingrich offer teenage girls money in exchange for certain sexual favors.

[biopowertoday]

27. You are in the cesspoll with KO.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. IMO, we're both better than you.

:shrug:

[lapfog_1]

33. Wow, you have no sense of humor at all.

He wasn't joking about child prostitution, he was joking at the WAY that Newt phrased his proposal, which, if you took a literal
read of it, was offering to pay girls to NOT GET PREGNANT WHEN THEY HAD SEX.

Again, if Newt wanted to pay kids to not have sex, he could have just said so, but he didn't.

[biopowertoday]

44. You defend his potty mouth if you want. I will not make Democrats

look bad.

bye.

[lapfog_1]

50. You make Democrats look bad by defending the Newt

and asking KO to apologize.

Or maybe you think Newt's proposal has merit?

It should be derided for it's insanity. As should everything every uttered by those morons.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Potty mouth?

How the fuck old are you?

[Forkboy]

43. KO is a pundit, not a journalist.

Get a grip.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

46. No goddammit this will rip the fabric of our society don't you see!!!!!!????

:+

[Forkboy]

60. That's an awesome Ultraman gif!!

:rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

63. Well, I felt threatened by your Godzilla so I had to get some protection. nt

[DevonRex]

66. Then don't watch him. I love his humor.

[PopSixSquish]

31. I Watched KO Last Night as I Do Most Nights

Worst Persons is strictly satire and KO uses it to mock stupidity. I mean think about it, paying teenagers not to get pregnant? And when they hit 18, it's dammn the condems and full speed ahead? Or would that be 21?

[jenmito]

69. I watch his show every night and it's not true that his Worst Persons is strictly satire.

The claim that Gingrich was paying teenage girls for prostitution wasn't satire and didn't even really make sense. This is probably the first time I didn't agree with him on one of his "Worst Persons in the World" choices.

[crimsonblue]

35. I was very confused by KO last night.

His "Gingrich supports child prostitution" argument was illogical, and he should issue an apology for defaming Gingrich like that. Come on, KO. Don't stoop to O'Reilly's level by blatantly lying and obfuscating issues. You're better than that.

[dana_b]

40. it didn't make sense to me either when I heard it

and if he read this blogger's comments, he'll probably comment on it tonight.

[vaberella]

71. Ditto. I tried to rationalize with my sister but we still didn't get his meaning. n/t

[Cheap_Trick]

42. A quick glance at the Daily Howler shows that this "Bob Somerby"

is a right wing hack who doesn't like KO.

Here's a list of topics:
http://dailyhowler.com/archives-2009.shtml
March 12: Obama embraced a ridiculous claim. The New York Times rushed to endorse it
March 11: Obama misstates about the schools. The Washington Post doesn’t notice
March 10: Jim Glassman doesn’t regret that prediction. But then, he’s too big to fail
March 9: Broder typed a standard script–a script which is highly high-minded

March 7: A foolish cartoon in this morning’s Post triggered a jarring query
March 6: It’s easy to write outraged columns on earmarks. Just memorize five easy terms
March 5: The loud dumb fellow got it wrong. His pals were too timid to tell him
March 4: What was Brooks’ major complaint? You aren’t allowed to know that
March 3: News reports help us ponder bullroar’s supply–and demand
March 2: Did Jindal embroider? We’re not sure. But three big liberal stars did

February 27: Keith the Plumber helps us enter the world of the pseudo-lib tribe
February 26: No one doctors quotes, Keith said. Then, he doctored Obama
February 25: It’s hard to run a gang of rubes more briskly than Olbermann did
February 24: Uh-oh! Maureen Dowd’s zombie intellectual culture is now taking root on the web
February 23: Do we know how to fix low-income schools? In the Post, a guest gets it right

February 21: Ceci Connolly shows you why we just keep asking that question
February 20: We thought we’d probably heard it all. Then we heard Chris, Wednesday night
February 19: Keeping it classy, KeithO and Flanders helped show that little has changed
February 18: The GOP made a rather weak claim. But Dan Eggen bungled again
February 17: Sunday’s guest lists favored Dems—except at a rube-running web site
February 16: We’re going to spend another day making our work more polite

February 13: How much pork is in that bill? “Some,” the Post has now said
February 12: It’s hard to learn even the most basic facts about the “compromise” package
February 11: David Denby, like Clark Hoyt before him, seems to be getting results
February 10: Dionne and Herbert construct a Dear Leader. Is this really good for our side?
February 9: How bad is the work of the Times’ “liberal” pundits? A commenter nailed a dear child

February 6: Dana can tell who the Goofuses are. He doesn’t waste time on the merits
February 5: McWhorter described a miracle cure. At one school, it hasn’t happened
February 4: Obama’s slight problem began way back when, in that Cordelia campaign
February 3: McWhorter made a remarkable claim–and TNR put it in print
February 2: McWhorter snorted about public schools. But then, so did Nick Gillespie

January 30: David Denby talks straight about Dowd and Gore. Why won’t our Kewl Kids do likewise?
January 29: Broder’s cohort luvved Ken Starr. Today, they luv somebody else
January 28: As an ice storm bollixed the region, we visited Bill Gates–and Walden
January 27: Ryan Grim said it didn’t exist. Then, he linked you to it
January 26: Colbert King’s column was a disgrace. It captured a 16-year era

January 23: David Broder failed to recall one source of past partisan warfare
January 22: Uh-oh! A famous film-maker—and a famous professor—wasted time about low-income ed
January 21: The career liberal world refused to fight back. Does Steve Clemons’ post show us why?
January 20: Today is a special occasion. But still, you should read Clemons' post
January 19: Jay Rosen defines the sphere of deviance–and leaves some key things out

January 16: Our scribes applaud high standards—for kids. For themselves and Ed Secs, not so much
January 15: On Monday, Bush made a joke. Gail Collins knew just where to take it
January 14: Spellings’ factual claims are correct. But there’s a key flaw in her logic
January 13: Margaret Spellings makes three key claims in today's "Dear Arne" letter
January 12: Margaret Carlson had a feeling last week. On Sunday, a Post pundit did too

January 9: Journalists love those feel-good tales–when they come from our low-income schools
January 8: The facts can undermine pleasing tales. Consider Kristof’s column
January 7: A farm-state pol was seen without socks! To Brokaw, this was a key detail
January 6: The latest scamming-of-Oprah event helps display broken press culture
January 5: Even after all these years, Krugman’s commenters don’t seem to know the way the discourse works

Take your right-wing crap and shove it up your tightie-rightie ass.

[biopowertoday]

45. It's KO who made the vile statement--He is the problem.

[snowbear]

47. OMG! ...

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.

Why am I not surprised that the person who just claimed DU is in the "cesspoll" (whatever that is) with Keith Olbermann is now dissing him again?

[biopowertoday]

48. I never said

said of of DU. Just those who agreed with KO and his vile comments that make Democrats look slimy.

[lapfog_1]

56. "Vile comments" REALLY? Vile?

Are you sure you are in the right place today?

[Cheap_Trick]

62. Methinks he was headed for FreeRepublic and took a left turn....

[Raineyb]

61. When people claim Dems have no sense of humor, they must be talking about you.

Seriously, get a grip. All KO did was take a statement Gingrich said to its absurd albeit not entirely illogical conclusion. He didn't call the little salamander a pimp or anything. Sheesh!

Regards

[DevonRex]

68. Get a grip.

[Louis-Emmanuel]

49. How dare he attack Dowd, Connolly, Milbank! how can he defend Dems on earmarks! and Gore!

How right-wing!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

73. Come again?

Milbank's a racist fuck and I'm glad he's off my TV.

Earmarks are fine, if you can name one you don't like, I'd love to hear about it.

And Gore?

[xocet]

84. ...Caveat Lector...

If you were to go to "The Daily Howler" and read some of the articles, you might come away with a different opinion than the one expressed in your post. Sometimes, quick glances can be misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Howler

[masuki bance]

51. KO knows what he's doing, he has an Ivy League diploma

[lapfog_1]

54. Wow, we've been invaded again I see.

maybe we are "surrounded" OMG!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[caseymoz]

52. I didn't get the joke at all.

My reaction wasn't that it was offensive, but that it didn't make the least amount of sense. I finally got it ten minutes later, and it wasn't funny. Time to fire that writer, Keith.

[lapfog_1]

55. Maybe you should expand your humor horizons??? - n/t

[Louis-Emmanuel]

58. Did it make you laugh?

And if so, why.

[lapfog_1]

64. Gave me a chuckle...

because it made Newt look like what he is, an idiot.

[caseymoz]

89. I couldn't really laugh at that either because it was such a misfire.

It made Keith Obermann look bad. Was he trying to imitate Limbaugh, here?

[lapfog_1]

90. Apparently you can't read.

I said it gave me a chuckle. Meaning that I laughed at it. It was a joke. Misfire? Don't think so.

It made Newt look bad, not that this is hard to do.

[caseymoz]

81. No. He had to set it up by saying something that wasn't in Gingrich's statement.

At least it wasn't in it in this post. As the opening post said, Gingrich didn't say don't get pregnant while having sex. I doubt strongly that's what he meant. Even if it were so, in what way can using birth control correctly be compared to prostitution? The whole joke is screwy. He needs to dock that writer's pay.

[caseymoz]

83. Maybe you should expand your mental horizons.

:rofl:

I don't mean to start a flame war, but that demanded a comeback.

[lapfog_1]

91. Actually, I think you do...

part of the "surround them" day activities, no?

[caseymoz]

95. And I'll prove you wrong by saying you're the first person on my ignore list.

And the prize for that is the Golden Horse's Ass award.

[lapfog_1]

101. We tend to like KO here...

and dislike the Newt.

And today, on KO, he stated that the "Worst Person in the World" was a sarcastic and humorous look at some of those
people that we don't think much of. And he included the Newt "We should pay girls to not get pregnant" award in the
inaugural "Worst Person of the Week" awards (it didn't win, not surprising a clip from Bill-O the clown won).

But it proves the point. This is humor, it's intended to be humor.

But whatever, if you stick around long, I'm sure your "ignore list" will start filling rapidly.

[countingbluecars]

59. Gingrich made an absurd

proposal and Keith gave him what he deserved. Do you think Gingrich's proposal makes any sense?

[old mark]

65. Sounds more like Socialism to me......but then Neut's had government money

all his life, from subsidised grade school through his current lifelong Federal pension. He is a professional liar, and past his prime at that, having been overtaken by a new generation of GOP liars.

mark

[jenmito]

67. I LOVE Keith but it wasn't really true. Gingrich didn't say they should pay teenage girls to

have sex and not get pregnant. He added the first part. It wasn't really funny.

[Pisces]

72. i agree completely

[lapfog_1]

74. However, if Newt was going to pay

people to NOT have sex and get pregnant, he could have just said so.

That he didn't say "pay teenagers (boys and girls) to not have sex" is telling.

What he said was "pay teenage girls to not get pregnant" and that implies that he is also paying them to have sex. (otherwise why
be gender specific?)

In any case, KO made a joke about it and the implied statement. Guess it went over the heads of some.

[jenmito]

75. Nothing went over my head. Keith just said something that wasn't true...

Newt didn't imply he was paying them to have sex. I just think it was a BIG stretch to turn it into what Keith turned it into. Making a joke out of it would've been one thing, but he put Newt in "Worst Persons in the World" which he reserves for serious subjects, not jokes.

ETA-I am not sticking up for Newt. I can't stand him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. "which he reserves for serious subjects"

Is this your first time watching the show?

[jenmito]

79. I watch his show every single night. Give me an example when he jokes about

someone he puts in the WPinW segment. He has O'Reilly in there almost every night and it's always something he LIED about. It's never (or almost never) a joke for that segment. He picks liars or hypocrites or something similar.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. Gee whiz, let me think.

Everytime Rush Limbaugh makes the list, he shows the picture of Limbaugh fellating a cigar.

When O'Reilly makes the list he commonly jokes about his status as a sexual predator. Or mocks the way he talks. Or shows that "fuck it I'll do it live" video.

When Murdoch makes the list he talks like an Australian pirate.

And now that Gingrich has made the list he mocks Gingrich's plan to pay teenage girls in exchange for sexual favors.

[jenmito]

88. Mocking the person is not joking about what they're in the segment for.

I await an example of a person being in there for a joke-something Keith made up.

[masuki bance]

94. Why be gender specific?

/

[kiva]

96. And if Newt had said we should pay teenagers

not to have sex, we would have all accused him (and rightly so) of being unrealistic and trying to control teen sexuality. I despise Newt, but I'd like to think that he and some of the Repugs are at least beginning to acknowledge that abstinence-only education is failing.

And no, Keith, this has nothing to do with prostitution.

[LBJDemocrat]

105. I assume Gingrich meant

that what was important was that they didn't get pregnant. Teenagers who have sex and don't get pregnant, as well as teenagers who don't have sex, should both get paid, according to Gingrich. It was gender-specific because a guy can't prove that he has never gotten anyone pregnant. That's a far cry from paying girls to have sex.

When you're finished clouding your mind with partisan orthodoxy, let me know.

[lapfog_1]

106. You assume to know what Newt "Contract on America" Gingrich meant?

It was a joke. Keith said that ALL of his WPITW segments are sarcasm and meant to be funny. Said it
last night when he introduced his WPITWFTW segment.

He is/was making fun of Newt mis-speaking, possibly taking him out of context.

And it's a really really stupid idea (paying girls to not become pregnant).

Unless you think that it's a great idea... in which case maybe it's not my mind that clouded with partisan
orthodoxy.

[LBJDemocrat]

107. I'm aware that it's a joke,

but doesn't make any sense, given Gingrich's plan. I don't agree with the plan, but the joke is a sort of misinformation.

Spare me the "You're a Republican" bullshit. Thanks.

[lapfog_1]

108. Sure thing, just as soon as you spare me the

partisan orthodoxy stuff.

[Javaman]

86. after reading the replies on this thread, it's so easy to spot the former repukes...

1)they don't get humor
2)they don't understand irony
3)they still can't form grammatically correct sentences.

man, easy targets.

[lapfog_1]

92. We are surrounded sir!... Their mission is accomplished, methinks! - n/t

[Tatiana]

97. Damn. I think you're right. n/t

[Uzybone]

99. Somerby is a hardcore Goreophile, he bashes everyone else but Gore

He was great to read around 2000, but now he is just bitter, lashing out at both left and right.

[quakerboy]

100. He's right

I watch Olberman regularly. I enjoy Olberman regularly. When I heard that chain of logic, I was astounded. There was a gaping hole in it where the logic part was supposed to be.

[Phx_Dem]

104. I don't really care what KO or anyone else calls this idea,

it's absolutely insane. Paying girls to not get pregnant? Isn't that the same as just paying girls to go to school? What about the boys, shouldn't they get paid for not getting anyone pregnant and for going to school?

Oh here's an even better idea, how 'bout we pay drug dealers not to kill anyone?

I think we should also pay kids for not getting arrested.