"I don't believe in homosexuality"

[proud2BlibKansan]

I am watching the Alexandra Pelosi film on HBO and this comment really struck me.

How can a person not believe in homosexuality?

It's like not believing in furniture. Or coffee. Or grass.

Do they not think homosexuals EXIST? They think they are just pretending to be homosexuals?

Good grief. I really can't wrap my brain around this statement.

The other thing that is really striking me about this film is that I see nothing but white faces. I guess these people all live in an all white world. But do they NEVER turn on the TV and see that America is far from 100% white?

Wow. I am so glad Obama won this election. :patriot:

[dkf]

1. I don't even know what that means either.

Weird.

[NMDemDist2]

2. that struck me too. Homosexuals and abortions have been around as long

as humans have.

women abort babies (or try to) and some humans prefer same sex partners since pre history

denial ain't just a river in Egypt I guess.

:banghead:

[Zuiderelle]

6. Women abort fetuses... they don't abort babies.

And I'm not quite sure I understand putting abortion and homosexuality together like this.

[NMDemDist2]

20. the 'lady' in the film said "I don't believe in abortion or homosexuality, so I'm voting for McCain"

:shrug:

[Arkansas Granny]

25. Sometimes when people say they "don't believe" in something it means they don't approve.

At least, that's they way it's used by some people I know. They might also say that they don't "believe in" murder.

[polmaven]

38. I think you're right.

I was thinking the same thing while I was scrolling down. What they don't "believe in" is allowing this or that to be practiced.

[Zuiderelle]

30. Since there was no link to that quote, I'll give you that. Then I only take issue with you saying

that women abort babies. Babies cannot be aborted, since babies are human beings that are already born.

[NMDemDist2]

32. all righty then, point taken n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. I understand "I don't believe in abortion"

I disagree with that statement but it at least makes sense.

But how the hell do you not believe in homosexuality? That's just nuts.

[snake in the grass]

47. It makes sense...

...when you believe homosexuality is a choice. That's what these homunculi think.

[MADem]

3. Oh, so THAT's where the "fairy" word orginated?

Homosexuals...why, they're like little pixies, you see!!! Leprechauns....ELVES, even!!!

They hang around a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow....and if you try to take their gold, why, they'll teach you their HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA!!!!

No, that's not it...They make TOYS, yes, that's it....and if you're good, they'll have a fat man bring them to you and leave them under a lighted tree at your house!!!

Perhaps they sneak into your room late at night, and leave money under your pillow after swiping that tooth that fell out??

I'd like to say I don't believe in idiots that say things like that, but unfortunately, they're all too obvious!

[SoxFan]

46. They're sort of like pixies, or sprites

They sweep into your condo at night and go about redecorating the furnishings and replacing your wardrobe.



:sarcasm: (for the sarcasm impaired)

[MADem]

71. Hahahahahaha!!

Yeah, you do have to use that dripping icon, because some folks will get umbrageous, just because they can!!!

[Sebastian Doyle]

70. So you're saying you believe in gay elf dentists?

[MADem]

72. Only if they take my insurance!!!! nt

[Christian30]

4. That doc is quite scary...

It shows just how indoctrinated many on the right are, regardless of whether or not the talking points they spew represent their best interests.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. I hear ya

So many of them talking about the flag pin myth and saying he won't salute our flag. :wtf:

[Hellataz]

40. I felt sick after watching it last night, the racism was so blatant and the negative emotions..

For the first time I began feeling that that 2012 election wasn't going to be a walk in the park. These people aren't letting it go and all that hate and anger are going to lead to more sever attacks come the next election. They have 4 years to sit, stew and get organized and during that time they wont be watching as Obama fixes things and changes their mind, they will just turn their backs ignoring the world around them and plot for his downfall. That was what was scary to me.

[Two Americas]

52. 2010

There is an important election coming up in 2010.

Want to support Obama? Think 2010.

[ck4829]

5. Maybe these conservatives are taught that gay people are mythical creatures

Like the unicorn, Sasquatch, and Republican credibility.

[MikeE]

16. Oh cool

I always wanted to be a mythological creature! Hmm, I wonder if I have any magical powers?

[DKRC]

27. Of course, silly!

You can destroy ALL heterosexual marriages, AND raise the teen pregnancy rate, simply by getting married!
:evilgrin:

[MikeE]

35. Wow!

I didn't know that. Thanks for helping me discover my superpower. Maybe I can work this to get a spot on that show Heroes

[DKRC]

43. Glad to help. Here's the link

about the tortured logic blaming gay marriage for a predicted rise in out of wedlock births:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=119145&mesg_id=119145

It is truly amazing how profound your superpowers are.

:evilgrin:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

69. Which would explain why I thought I saw a gay once but turned out to be bigfoot. nt

[randr]

7. You can not expect an ignorant person to know

what the word "believe" means.
It would be like expecting them to know what ignorant means.

[Hellataz]

41. The funny thing was, they didn't care about being ignorant, they wore it proudly.

Even the racism, they just said "yeah well this is the south, that how i was raise and we're not ready for a black man for president" He had no explanation as to why except the color of his skin. And he wasn't looking to be educated as to why that was wrong. He ended by saying if he had it his way women wouldn't be voting either...

And another one was pissed off that he couldn't be more racist, so much so he started crying. WTF?

[ejpoeta]

59. well, look at how smart folks are treated in this country.

obama was 'elitist' because he was college educated. especially republicans look down on education. my feeling is that it has to do with their own inadequacies because they didn't get an education themselves. kind of like parents who don't want their kids to be smarter than they are. Now, I welcome my kids being smarter than me. I want them to succeed as far as they can go. to do what they want to do. If they know more than me, then that gives me the opportunity to lengthen my line.

When i was in school and I tood a self defense class, i believe it was, we had to read a book called zen in the art of something. There was a chapter about lengthening your line. Some people try to shorten someone else's line by bringing them down to their level. We see that a lot. But I loved the idea of lengthening your line.... bringing yourself up to the higher level instead, and beating someone else by being smarter and faster and increasing your own strength and ability. I know I am babbling, but that part of the book always stuck with me throughout my life, and when I think about how I am acting about something I ask myself if I am trying to shorten someone elses line, or lengthening my own.... bringing my game up to their level.

[jobycom]

8. They don't believe in anything Mommy didn't tell them about by age five.

It's an attempt to cling to the innocence of youth. Like all those people who think music or life or whatever was better when they were young. "Things were so much simpler then." Of course they were simpler for YOU, Mommy and Daddy took care of everything. When you get older and realize there's a world they didn't tell you about, things get complicated.

So, homosexuality doesn't exist because Mommy and Daddy thought it was wrong. Evolution doesn't exist because Mommy and Daddy flunked biology. People didn't have sex out of wedlock because Mommy and Daddy said it was wrong. Crime and murder and child abuse didn't happen because Mommy and Daddy didn't let you overhear those discussions and kept you away from any victims of child abuse as if the victim was tainted and it was contageous so that your little mind wouldn't be frightened.

That's all nice and good and well-meant for Mommy and Daddy, but people grow up and deal with complexities. Conservatives just don't grow up.

What we need, and are slowly getting, is a generation raised to understand that homosexuality is natural, normal, and beautiful, rather than whatever bigots think it is now. Then in a generation even casual conservatives will accept it as normal because Mommy and Daddy were okay with it.

Until then, we just need American-loving legislators and judges to rule in favor of Constitutional equality and against discrimination and bigotry. That would be nice.

[roseBudd]

9. having gone to 2 Obama rallies for me the difference was striking, they could not get boos out of

the liberals.

Nor did I see a preponderance of blue clothing or any Tshirts or buttons that disparaged MCCain

[Avalux]

10. They think homosexuality is a choice; they do not BELIEVE people are born homosexual.

They think a good dose of religion can 'cure' it; and turn gays straight.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I understand that

But saying you don't believe in it means you don't think there is such a thing as homosexuality. And there is.

[Smarmie Doofus]

11. I've no idea who she is but she probably means she ...

... doesn't "believe" it ( homosexuality) should be tolerated and homosexual people should change.... or else.

[fujiyama]

15. Many of these people

still really believe that homosexuality is some sort of mental disorder - a disease of some sort that can be treated with Jeebus.

[spanone]

17. defiant ignorance....proud to be stupid....

[lunatica]

18. I once heard a woman say that in her house no one believed in pepper

It has bugged me for nearly 50 years. How can anyone not believe in something you can see smell eat and hold in your hand?

[hlthe2b]

19. Why is everyone getting so pent up about semantics...

These are hardly the most educated people and their use of English, is at best, quite colloquial. They are using "I don't believe" as a proxy for "I don't agree with" or "I don't accept" or "I don't approve of..."

Have some of our fellow DUers really not spent any time around very poorly educated (not to mention highly bigoted) Americans? And, no, this is not just a Southern issue, though the South has a very large share of them.


Ignorance...

[hisownpetard]

26. Speaking of semantics: umm, you used the phrase "pent up" incorrectly.

Someone is 'pent-up' when they're unable to express whatever emotion is being repressed.
So if someone is expressing their dislike for a certain phrase, their frustration is no longer 'pent up.'

Just sayin'...

:hi:

[hlthe2b]

31. Oh, I think the expressions of feeling here are pretty repressed...

(fortunately, for those of us who don't want the "internet(s)" and our laptops to ignite...);)

So, no, I do think "pent-up" is pretty apropros here--although seething might be more accurate. And, certainly those feelings are understandable...

[FreeState]

45. Its a little more deeper than semantics unfortunately

I cant speak for all Christian traditions, however in the LDS Church they have flat out said to use the word same sex attraction over gay - because they do not believe people are gay period. I cant find the quota right now but they feel that using the word "gay" gives credence to homosexuality as an identity rather than a sin. A lot of Christian ex-gay groups believe the same.

[hlthe2b]

49. I don't doubt that explains some out there...

no one here is likely to deny the amount of true bigots out there who believe homosexuality is a "choice" (and an "immoral" one at that)...

But, even "simpletons" can sometimes be more complex as a group. Sometimes ignorant misuse of language is "just" ignorant misuse of language

[FreeState]

77. But see they are using the language that way because the Church told them to

Its not that they are ignorantly using the language its that they are ignorantly fallowing "leaders". When LDS Church members are asked to jump they dont ask how high - they have already been told how high.

[hlthe2b]

79. Perhaps...

:shrug:

[FreeState]

80. Link to the quotes among others

1975 - The First Presidency issues a letter referring to "the unfortunate problem of homosexuality which occurs from time to time among our people" which encourages leaders "not to label people as homosexual because this both discourages and tends to make the matter seem beyond solving."

1995 - ....."we should refrain from using these words as nouns to identify particular conditions or specific persons." ...

http://mormoninthecloset.blogspot.com/2008/11/lds-gay-history-timeline-unabridged.html

(Just and FYI Im a former member of the Church who is gay)

[hlthe2b]

82. Revealing stuff...

thank you for sharing...

[Touchdown]

51. I don't agree with homosexuality.

I don't agree with that furniture
I don't agree that is coffee (I'll give you that :D )
I don't agree that is grass.

The other two are closer to what they're feeling, but agreeing falls into the same loony language use as believe.

[ZombieHorde]

64. "really not spent any time around very poorly educated (not to mention highly bigoted) Americans?"

I have not spent any time around very poorly educated or highly bigoted people.

[hlthe2b]

76. lucky you....

[Clio the Leo]

21. I've always had a problem with that phraseology myself.

"I dont believe in abortion."

to which I reply...

"I dont believe in pink dragons."

[yurbud]

62. If they don't believe in abortion, how can they expect to join the Great Abortionist in Heaven when

they die?

[mzteris]

22. my first husband's sister

still insists he's not really gay, he's just PRETENDING to be because it hurt their parents (though they've been dead a really long time now) . . . oh - and he "got HIV on purpose" because he hates himself for pretending to be gay.

I think she's just pretending to have a brain.

[hisownpetard]

23. I don't believe in cumulus clouds, or trees.

WTF??

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Exactly

:fistbump:

[Numba6]

28. you must be one of those old fogies who think sucking

cock makes you gay

Meet the new metrosexuals:



http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5164921

[Baikonour]

29. I tried watching that film, but had to turn it off 10 minutes in.

No way could I sit through an hour of that shit. It's disgusting, insulting and sad. I understand why Pelosi made the film, but I don't need to sit through a whole film to realize the republican constituency is made up of the lowest form of filth around.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. It was actually a very good film

Irony at its finest.

[saltpoint]

33. What if someone said, "Well, I don't believe in maple syrup" ? I'm pretty

sure you can find it in certain trees in New England and Canada.

I'm pretty sure it eventually gets down into grocery stores in any number of cities.

Consumers can buy it, take it home, open it up, and drown a stack of flapjacks with it.

Swear to God.

[beac]

36. Both Canada and New England have gay marriage-- must be the syrup!

;)


I'm always amazed that ignorant Repukes like that woman are 100% certain that homosexuality is a "choice", but they can never tell you when they sat down and chose to be straight.

[saltpoint]

42. "Must be the syrup." LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Rockholm]

57. It is the syrup.

[jberryhill]

84. Food? From Tree Sap?

Take it to the 9/11 Conspiracy Forum.

[saltpoint]

85. "Love and maple syrup..."

= = =

Love and maple syrup shine like
Embers warm, like thoughts divine
They tell us it is spring
Love and maple syrup stir
The thoughts of people into words
Of songs that they can sing

Looking for the world to be
Anything but what they see
Longing to be understood
By the heart that shapes the wood

--Gordon Lightfoot,
"Love and Maple Syrup"

= = =

[Odin2005]

34. "I don't believe in" is often used to mean "I don't agree with".

Probably in analogy with people saying "I believe/don't believe in Evolution". Idioms usually don't make sense.

[Lex]

44. "I don't agree with" the earth being round.

I think it's flat.

[Numba6]

61. "I don't believe in tinkerbell...." SPLAAAATTTTT!!!

[Hellataz]

39. I just watched that film too, i think it just means he believes that are choosing to be gay.

He doesn't believe it's an actual orientation or desire that you can be born with. Like so many on the religious right, all of them believe it's a sin, so of course they don't believe it's something your born with. In their eyes, children aren't born with Sin they choose to Sin.

[Political Heretic]

48. They think its a lifestyle choice. One they don't believe in.

I "understand" them. They are just ignorant as shit.

[MurrayDelph]

50. Obviously they are no Mark Twains

When asked if he believed in infant baptism,
Mark Twain is said to have responded,

“Believe in it? Hell, I’ve seen it.”

[JeffR]

53. I don't believe in homophobic morons.

There, did that make them all go away?

Damn it. They're still here.

[yurbud]

54. the Ted Haggard documentary? that was really tragic

it was like watching a one man BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. The guy doesn't know how to deal with who he is in the context of the subculture he was born into, but he can't bring himself to step away from it, and essentially join the rest of America.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. Actually I was watching the other one - Right America: Feeling Wronged

But the Ted Haggard one was great too.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

67. No he cant at all

And yes it is really sad. I saw him on Larry King a couple of weeks ago and he admitted that he has sexual thoughts about men but denies he is a homosexual, it must be miserable to be Ted Haggard.

[newview88]

55. I guess ignorance really is bliss

Quite sad.

[WinkyDink]

58. It is NOT semantics; NOT "don't agree with". They mean what they say: They do not believe that

"homosexuality" is a legitimate category, if you will. To them, it is that, yes, one can certainly observe people with pink and green hair, tattoos, and/or piercings, but these are not natural states; they are not even Darwinian adaptations. They are CHOICES.

Similarly, they do not believe homosexuality is a natural state of being. It is, rather, an unfortunate affectation. So SNAP OUT OF IT!

It's what God would want.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

60. This movie was pretty scary to me

I really have a hard time getting my head around that these people actually exist and yes I agree I am so glad Obama won the election. Thank god!

[ZombieHorde]

65. "I really have a hard time getting my head around"

When watching the movie I wondered if some of those people were faking. I would like to go to the South in the winter time to see what its like. Would I really hear racial slurs out in public?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

66. Yeah that is what I was getting at

I lived most of my life in Louisiana where this sort of thinking is common. But even down there they know better than to say it in public much less on camera. If it wasn't staged outright (which I really don't think happened) then I think they are playing it up for the cameras, which in a way is even stupider than what they are saying.

[jberryhill]

83. At least one guy was IMHO definitely "giving her what she wanted"

The guy that said he didn't think women should vote seemed to be smiling about the whole interview.

You don't know what she told the people before filming them, nor in all instances what they were specifically responding to.

I liked the part where one black guy was saying to his friend, "She had to come all the way down to Mississippi to find racists, because nobody in New York or Chicago ever says 'nigger'". His commentary seemed to suggest that it was perfectly obvious what she was looking to find, and I think at least one or two of her subjects gave it to her deliberately.

Also, she notes at the beginning that the people in the film, while real, are not broadly representative of McCain supporters.

They do represent a real chunk of the population, and they are worth trying to understand to some extent. Two of them in particular were able to reasonably state that they believed that since Barack Obama had not lived in rural America, they were afraid that he could not understand "people like us", and by that they didn't mean "idiots".

Another thing worth noting was the reaction to some of the Palin criticism. Some people identified strongly with Palin's outdoorsy, hunting, and not tremendously educated image. To criticize Palin for those characteristics of her image was viewed by those people as attacking Palin for "being like me". The point that we do not choose leaders at random from among the populace is lost on the woman who says, "What's wrong with riding snowmobiles? I've been riding snowmobiles since I was twelve?"

She has a point to the extent there is nothing wrong with "riding snowmobiles". But it was the strain of urban elitism in that kind of criticism of Palin as a "hick", which in part galvanized Palin's support among, well, you know.

The guy at the NASCAR race who started crying... I'd like to hear what folks thought was really making him cry.

[old mark]

63. But Homosexuals believe in you.........nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

68. Well, I fucked a guy once.....

but not in a gay way...... This is the kind of joke that embarrasses my wife when we're out in public. :evilgrin:

[AndrewP]

81. LOL

[Colobo]

73. That documentary shows what's truly wrong with America.

[olkaz]

74. This is really that difficult to understand?

Saying you don't believe in something is another way of saying it isn't legitimate. That's all.

They're ignorant, but was that really so hard?

[marshall]

75. One way is to look at sexuality as a continuum

It's not black and white, homosexual or heterosexual. People fall somewhere on a line from one side to the other.

Others separate the act from the person--they believe that homosexual acts are happening, but they don't label a person by the type of acts they engage in.

[slackmaster]

78. It's just a sloppy way of saying they think it's wrong

Nothing to see here.