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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:32 AM
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Robert Parry complains about "endless Clinton bashing."
In his piece "'Bitter' Gore; 'Principled' McCain," (which is actually a good piece because he doesn't pretend to know things only he knows), Parry starts off complaining about the growing right-wing media in overplaying the “Clinton scandals" and "the endless Clinton bashing."

Yes, THAT Robert Parry. ...and isn't it ironic... don't ya think... a little too ironic...

As Bartcop said, who ran consortiumnews this summer when it was a non-stop orgy of false Clinton accusations? Who ran consortiumnews when they were in their ghastly "I can read Hillary's mind" period? Last summer, Bob Parry turned into Maureen Dowd and Andrew Sullivan (not a compliment) and now he has a complaint about the "endless Clinton bashing?"

Seriously?

Good piece, though.

http://consortiumnews.com/2009/021809.html

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:48 AM
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1. The Clintons are yesterday's news. If the right wing wants to keep harping ..........
on all the Clinton scandals, then let them. It makes them look petty and behind the times. If they want to fight the 90s, then let them - we're in the 21st Century now.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:01 AM
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3. Exactly, it really lets people know just how out of touch they are.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 09:27 AM by Rebellious Republica
If you figure someone that was eight or ten years old at the time, who is now voting age. They are probably looking to go to college and or start their careers and are more concerned with getting money for an education and or are looking for work. Do you think they remember or even care what happened then?

I say let them run with it for another ten years!

:rofl:
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:06 AM
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8. Got that right. The entire country has moved on - there's a new sheriff in town.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:07 PM
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11. The Clintons are not yesterday's news since Hillary is the current SOS .
But the constant bashing coming from the right AND the left is totally passe by now. It was mostly B.S. then and it is definitely so now.

Like plenty of people said after the primaries, some need to GET OVER IT!!!!!!

x(
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:30 PM
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15. Seriously. Hillary's not even an elected official anymore,
and Bill was TWO PRESIDENTS AGO. It would be like us posting a zillion threads here about how much we hate Ronald Reagan--yes, he was awful, but come on...
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:47 PM
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16. Bingo ....... but let them keep fighting the Clinton years. The Clinton years are now ........
irrelevant, and in 2030 the repugs will be busy fighting the Obama years and wondering why they lost.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:51 AM
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2. Bartcop is more.....
..than the smartest man in Oklahoma. I would submit him for smartest man on the internet. Rare to find such honest, logical, and common sense opinion. Thanks.
quickesst
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:46 PM
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60. I wouldn't....ever see him twist Clintons' support for Bush's decisions on Iraq war
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 03:47 PM by blm
into smart, political gamesmanship while deriding any Democratic lawmaker who voted for IWR because they BELIEVED Clinton was telling the truth about what he knew about Iraq? Or how bart skewered Tony Blair as Bush's poodle while ignoring the fact that Blair's top American advisor urging him to support Bush fully was.....Bill Clinton?

I loved bart and still find him 65% right and damn funny.....but, I'm not hanging on his every word any more since his inconsistencies became absurd.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:16 AM
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4. Right, but
your comments need to apply to people on the Left--including some posters on this board.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:18 AM
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5. they know who they are
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:25 AM
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6. yes, I am
sure they do but they do it anyway. I saw you engage one yesterday. Thanks
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:55 AM
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18. yeah...citizen Dems pissed that Clinton protected GHWBush in the 90s leading to Bush2. You are not
because open government and accountability are not your priorities.

I think it's absurd that some of you think any citizen with priorities of accountability and open government should somehow feel shame for focusing on key lapses of ANY government official including Democrats, and especially when the consequences for this nation have been as tragic as the last 10 years.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:00 AM
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19. pretending to know things only he knows
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:12 AM
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22. Yeah, Parry made up so many charges against GHWBush that AP had to fire him at Bush's request.
Yep - BushInc smeared Parry the same way you do.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:46 AM
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25. you said in a previous thread the books are "closed." So how does he know?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:19 AM
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26. If the matters were RESOLVED we'd ALL know about it and we'd both praise the accountability
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 10:20 AM by blm
choices of our past Dem president...wouldn't we?

So....if Parry is wrong about Clinton siding with the secrecy and privilege of GHWBush and his powerful cronies, then please share with us how Clinton DID resolve those outstanding matters to your satisfaction as a citizen. Isn't SHARING your information better than attacking those who tried for years to get resolutions to those outstanding matters but never found them?

You are setting yourself up as a more reliably informed source than Robert Parry on these matters, so, instead of the usual mocking, how about sharing your information that proves Parry was wrong?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:22 AM
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27. the books are closed by your own admission so how do you know?
Oh, yes. Parry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:53 AM
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28. The matters were NEVER deepsixed by your account, so share with us how YOU know Parry is wrong about
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 10:54 AM by blm
Clinton's protection of GHWBush....you must have seen something in the record that satisfied your concern for accountability that Parry (and I) never saw.

Please share. Sharing information would be the responsible action of a mature citizen.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:16 AM
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29. By my account? What? Are you making up events to support your theories on the closed books?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:40 AM
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30. You equate Parry's criticisms of Clinton with RW attacks and lies. So...what is Parry wrong about?
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 11:40 AM by blm
.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:41 AM
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31. I dunno. The books are closed. Can't really tell what he's wrong or right about... seems..
... you and he are the only ones privy to this information.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:15 PM
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32. No - the matters left outstanding are in the congressional records and have been posted many times.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 12:16 PM by blm
The RESOLUTION to those matters would be IN the congressional record if they had been dealt with appropriately which needed the cooperation of the Dem administration in the 90s. You have yet to show Parry's concerns in the articles you have complained about the last few years are unfounded.

Of course, if, as you say, you DON'T know, then why mock that which you admit you don't know?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:21 PM
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33. but you keep saying the books are closed
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:14 PM
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35. the outstanding matters are IN THE RECORD with NO RESOLUTION. You ignore that to get your laugh...
Laugh, laugh....while people died.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:29 PM
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37. if the books are closed, how do you know there is no resolution?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:50 PM
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40. Record shows UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. If they're resolved, show us the answers.
.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:02 PM
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43. what records?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:13 PM
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44. BCCI report for one...IranContra is part of BCCI, just like S&Ls, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning...
here's a start for you...though you have seen this a number of times but still play your giggle game. I reply because it's an opportunity to keep these matters alive for eventual accountability that will only come from responsible citizenry.

From the Dec 1992 BCCI Report handed to outgoing and incoming administrations....

Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:


1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.


2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.


3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.


4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.


5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.


6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.


7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.


8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.


9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.


11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.


12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.


13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.


14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.


15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.


16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.


17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.


18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.


19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.


20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:16 PM
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45. you said the books were closed
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:37 PM
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46. when questions are left unanswered and requested access goes unanswered... giggle, giggle
commonly called closed the books.

giggle, giggle.....pretend, pretend.....so amusing. All because your hero is no hero.


The End of the B.C.C.I. Case?


Published: August 19, 1993

>>>>>>>
Both Mr. Altman and Mr. Clifford, who was too ill to stand trial, claim vindication. Yet their satisfaction needs to be tempered by remorse. Both men put their good reputations on the line for some obviously shady characters.

The verdict confirms that however much B.C.C.I. sought a foothold in American banking, its major criminal mischief in the form of drug financing, money laundering and banking fraud occurred abroad. That's where most of the victims, depositors and shareholders in a $12 billion bust reside, and where several nations must continue to search for wrongdoers.

≥≥≥≥≥≥≥
In earlier testimony before a Senate investigating committee, Mr. Clifford and Mr. Altman said they had naively assured Federal regulators that First American was free of B.C.C.I.'s control. They said they had been duped about the international bank's illegal activities. Intentionally or not -- and intent matters a lot -- they were highly compensated for putting their own reputations on the line for B.C.C.I. The jury verdict found no crime -- either because there was insufficient proof of B.C.C.I. control, or insufficient proof of intent to mislead, or both.

The acquittal may prompt the Justice Department to abandon any plans it may have had to prosecute its own case. That would extricate both men from criminal liability, though not from pending civil lawsuits -- including one from the Federal Reserve Board, which insists that it was deceived about B.C.C.I.'s role in American Bankshares. Mr. Morgenthau, meanwhile, still hopes to bring B.C.C.I.'s overseas leaders to trial in New York.

Perhaps other investigations at home and abroad will bring more telling evidence to the surface. Even though the New York inquiry hit an embarrassing snag, it is much too soon for the Justice Department to walk away from the unanswered questions -- including why Justice itself failed for years to help Mr. Morgenthau and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts in their efforts to expose B.C.C.I.'s corruption.
>>>>>>>


But....Clinton's DoJ DID walk away from all the unanswered questions.....and Clinton wouldn't even mention BCCI one time in his entire book. Your hero. And now we have collapsed economic system because all the principles involved in every banking scandal learned there is no danger in cooking the books, even when abetting global terrorism.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:43 PM
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47. After years of investigation and four months of trial, a New York State jury has acquitted ...
... the Washington attorney Robert Altman of misleading bank regulators about the dealings of the notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International...

You know what acquitted means?

And you're using an unsigned editorial?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:52 PM
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49. that was a peripheral issue - you did read the NYT's UNANSWERED QUESTIONS part, didn't you?
and what DID the DoJ do with the meat and potatoes portion of the BCCI matter including the global armsdealing, drugrunning and moneylaundering that included the funding of global terror networks?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:54 PM
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50. I read everything in the unsigned editorial - a poor substitute for the congressional records ...
.. and such you've been claiming to have.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:01 PM
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51. so you missed post with the BCCI report's UNANSWERED QUESTIONS? giggle, giggle
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 05:02 PM by blm
I'll repost for you.


From the Dec 1992 BCCI Report handed to outgoing and incoming administrations....

Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:


1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.


2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.


3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.


4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.


5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.


6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.


7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.


8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.


9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.


11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.


12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.


13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.


14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.


15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.


16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.


17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.


18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.


19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.


20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:02 PM
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54. That does not mean that they found BCCI to not have been a problem
It means that they could not prove the quilt of Robert Altman. The editorial itself says that MOST of what happened happened abroad. The fact was that BCCI did launder money for international criminals and terrorists.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:00 PM
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42. This backs BLM up
From the Senate record, August 2, 1991

"Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, yesterday, the distinguished minority leader took the floor to make a brief statement concerning the BCCI banking scandal.

That statement appeared to imply that the Senate investigation into the scandal is somehow motivated by partisan concerns. If I am correct that that is what the minority leader intended to imply, I must tell him that his statement has no basis in fact.

Yesterday morning, at our subcommittee's hearing on BCCI , the senior senator from North Carolina, who is not usually known as a partisan of Democratic causes, said correctly that if there ever was an issue of legitimate bipartisan concern, it is BCCI .

The fundamental issue raised by this scandal has nothing to do with partisan politics. That issue is whether or not we are going to allow a global criminal conspiracy of bankers, influence peddlers and con men to corrupt our political and financial system, bankroll terrorists, launder drug money and bilk the public. I would think, and I would certainly hope, that Members from both political parties would agree on the answer to that question.

It is no secret that there are those who would go to great lengths to discredit this investigation. There are those in both political parties who may be embarrassed by it. There are those in the Administration who may not wish to see the full record of enforcement actions taken and not taken spelled out on the record. But I would say to those people that it is too late. The genie is out of the bottle. And Members of this body from both parties who care about the truth are going to do everything we can to expose the truth--carefully, fairly, in a balanced manner--but determined to find the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

Finally, the minority leader asked rhetorically whether Democrats have expressed an interest in the activities of Centrust, a financial institution in Florida that has been under investigation by the Justice Department for the past 2 years. I would reply by noting first, that our subcommittee subpoenaed information from BCCI about Centrust months ago. Our subcommittee has been asking about the investigation into Centrust for months. And our subcommittee received testimony this morning referring clearly to the direct link between Centrust and the main focus of our inquiry--the activities of BCCI .

In closing, I just want to say to the minority leader that I hope my impression of his statement was wrong. I hope that he did not mean to imply that our investigation is motivated by partisan politics. Such an allegation would not be supported by the facts; it would not be supported, to my knowledge, by Republican Senators familiar with the way the investigation has been handled; and it would not serve what I hope would be our shared purpose of uncovering the truth. "

Note the highlight - those are the things the committee, at times only Kerry, found. Those were the things that Bush 1 Justice Department stonewalled on and those were the type of things that Kerry wanted the Bush and then Clinton administration to take on. The problem that Parry (and BLM) had with the new administration not shedding day light on these things and pursuing the list of 20 open issues. (One involving Marc Rich who Clinton pardoned instead.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:04 PM
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52. NYT in Aug1993 opined that DoJ needs to answer question WHY Kerry was stonewalled
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 05:06 PM by blm
in this investigation and received no cooperation. I posted it above.

Great thread for newbies, though, and those still unfamiliar with Parry's work and the sacrifices he made to tell the American people the truth.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:04 PM
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55. I saw that - and it was a good editorial
Just thought that the dated Senate comments would help.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 09:12 AM
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58. They definitely help those who intend to learn about, not applaud, the years of coverup.
.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:20 PM
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34. I'm glad that doesn't happen much here on DU.
:rofl:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:08 PM
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12. Hear, hear!!!!!!
:eyes:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:28 AM
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7. Great article. When will the press stop quaking in their
collective boots when it comes to the certifiable nuts on the right?
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:12 AM
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9. Bartcop
I like his site a lot more than his arch rival kos' site.

Plus he does Zappa references all the time. He's more in to Garbage, but it's always nice to get fresh takes on Zappa.

Recent 'cop had lyrics to "Heavenly Bank Account". Swaggart and others got scandalized during Zappa's last tour in 88. The Beatles medleys he did at the time for encores had a lot of Swaggart mods to the lyrics.

Strawberry Fields Forever became "Louisiana Hooker with Herpes", amongst other things.

-90% Jimmy
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:38 AM
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10. well, I guess that Mr. Parry has to make a living...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:59 PM
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13. You don't know the difference between RW's Clinton bashing in the 90s and Parry's criticisms of
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 05:10 PM by blm
Clinton's protection of Poppy Bush amd Clintons' consistent support of Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war?

What makes YOU think they are the same? You really think RW persecution for a blowjob was no different than Parry preferring Clintons NOT support BushInc?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:02 PM
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14. lol! Took you long enough
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:06 AM
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20. taking you TOO LONG to admit you see no difference in RW attack for blowjob and citizen call for
open government and accountability for BushInc.

You have made it clear repeatedly that you side with closed government - what is pathetic is that you side with closed government secrecy only because Clinton did/does. If Clinton had chosen to side with accountability for GHWBush and his cronies in the 90s, would you still be attacking open government Dems? I doubt it. Of course, open government Dems would be considering Clinton a hero if he had made that choice.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:06 AM
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21. pretending to know things only he knows
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:17 AM
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23. Parry knows that in the 90s there were outstanding matters of GHWBush's illegal operations
that should have been resolved and Bush and his cronies held accountable.

If your implications that he made these matters up are just for your own amusement, why don't you post it in the Lounge?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:45 AM
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24. you said in a previous thread the books are "closed." So how does he know?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:19 PM
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36. the facts revealed BEFORE the books closed show outstanding matters - you'd know that if you ever
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 02:20 PM by blm
cared about governance more than politics enough to state you understand that simple truth.

You need to look inside your heart and examine whether the laughs you generate for yourself are worth the game of pretend you play here where accountability and open government is just a joke generator to you. Is that the attitude you intended to take to DC?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:29 PM
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38. but since the books are now closed, how do you know they're not resolved?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:49 PM
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39. If they WERE resolved it would be part of the record instead of the UNANSWERED QUESTIONS left on the
record. But, you know that and just...don't....care. Playing dumb as a doorknob makes you giggle.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:53 PM
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41. so you can quote from the official congressional record?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:55 PM
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53. posted a couple times above...you must have missed it....giggle, giggle.
.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:07 AM
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17. thanks for posting Robert Parry has been informing everyone for years about the rightwing media
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:49 PM
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48. Yes - BushInc forced AP to fire Parry because of his investigations into their illegal dealings
of IranContra.

Sad that some Democrats took over bashing Parry and smearing his reputation where BushInc left off.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:26 AM
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57. yes and I'm with you just look at whats going on with radio and now CBS news
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 11:23 AM
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59. CBS has been like that for years now....
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:13 PM
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56. K/R
I too am tired of the hatred shown for the Clintons.
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