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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:54 AM
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Where do we draw the line ?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 12:38 PM by changemonger
I don't know about you, but I've got the feeling we're fast approaching the "too much " line concerning the celebrations of Obama's election win and inauguration. I don't think the country(or the world for that matter) really is in a celebratory mood right now . We're more than relieved to get rid of Bush and his criminal cronies, but I don't think people elected Obama because they liked him that much personally or because they cared so much about the historical nature of his election. I, for one, supported him because of his promise of change. People will really feel like celebrating when they see the economy improve significantly, the health care system fixed, a sense of justice restored in our foreign policy and so on. When I see Obama's response or lack thereof on the Israel's attacks , when I hear it could take him 4 years (!!!) to close Guantanamo and even longer to end the war in Iraq, When I see he wants to escalate that other stupid "war" in Afghanistan, when I hear he wouldn't prosecute the criminal Bush administration because he didn't want to care about the past, I really don't feel like celebrating !
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:55 AM
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1. "I don't think the country(or the world for that matter) really is in a celebration mood right now"
You really need to get out more. You could not be more wrong.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:56 AM
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2. After the last 8 years?
It it the king is dead dance. Bu$h will be gone and we can restore and get on with the American adventure.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:57 AM
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3. Then don't celebrate
but why shit on the parade route for the rest of us?

I voted for Obama because I like him.
And I'm NOT asking for 'lock-step' adulation, just simply a truce for the next day or so.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:58 AM
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4. uh, clearly people are in a celebratory mood over both Obama becoming
President and bush leaving. And sorry, there's massive evidence that a lot of people like Obama very much indeed. Whether you like it or not, and clearly you don't like it, people are celebrating in this country and across the globe. Live with it. Or don't.

And don't celebrate if you don't feel like it. Millions upon millions of others have the right to celebrate. And they are.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:00 PM
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5. Maybe YOU don't feel like celebrating, but millions in DC this week disagree with you.
A very few people enjoy shitting all over this inauguration. But millions disagree with you. You are entitled to your opinion, but recognize that we are entitled to ours.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:00 PM
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6. Some of us need this.
It's a great way to delineate the horrific sense of frustration and anger of the Bush years from the hope we are feeling with this incoming Presidency.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:04 PM
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11. I, for one, desperately need this
You are right. Not just because we are kicking that overgrown smirking genocidal chimp out of office, but because this represents all that we have worked for for 8+ years.

We did the IMPOSSIBLE. We managed to elect a skinny 1/2 black kid, with big ears, from Hawaii named Barack Hussein Obama to the office of President of the United States.

If you can't celebrate us finally breaking the chokehold that the GOP had on the world and our country...
can you at least celebrate us electing the first black president?
And if you can't celebrate that, can you at least celebrate the fact that Smirky McChimpshit is no longer in power?

Jesus Christ people! It's time to celebrate. It's sad some can't deal with that for whatever reason.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:01 PM
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7. I voted for Obama because I like him and his vision for this country.
Nothing can be 'too much' when it comes to celebrating the Inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th POTUS. I'll celebrate again when the goals are met.

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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:27 PM
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14. If you just lost...
your home or your job or knew someone close to you who just did, I wonder if you'd still feel like celebrating a change that MIGHT come.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:32 PM
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19. there have been plenty of posts from DUers
who have lost their homes or jobs and who are still feeling celebratory about Obama.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:18 PM
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35. My son did just lose his job.
We're celebrating the hope of the change that MIGHT come.

By the way, son married, 3 kids. It will be hard, very hard.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:46 PM
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37. i lost my job 10 months ago
and i sure as shit feel like celebrating. we've had precious little to celebrate over the past eight years. i know that there is so much work to be done, that it will take time for noticeable changes to take place and that obama is not a magic bullet, but i feel much more optimistic about the future than i have in a long time.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:01 PM
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8. We can celebrate change now.
We can really celebrate once it happens.

A little spirit lifting, right now, is not uncalled for.

But I do share your sentiment. Especially regarding the economy; that is what people want fixed. Livelihoods and futures.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:02 PM
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9. Too bad for you.
I am celebrating with the majority of Americans.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:04 PM
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10. Most people want to celebrate. You are clearly in the minority.
Bush is gone. I feel like celebrating and drinking after 8 years of constant anger.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:06 PM
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12. Sorry - can't agree with you. The celebration is necessary.
It's a cleansing; a purging of the past 8 years of Bushco hell and it feels good. It is a chance for us, as a nation (ALL of us) to turn the page and start new - recognizing there is much work to do, together.

So yes, let's party, then let's get to work.
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relayerbob Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:08 PM
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13. Wrongo, buddy. Have a nice day
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:28 PM
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15. Fine, we'll just go ahead without you.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:29 PM
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16. Well I DO feel like celebrating.
It's been a long hard eight years.

and YES I do like Obama quite a lot.

There is no harm in some positive celebrating - all the improvements you are asking for are on the way.

:)
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:30 PM
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17. The country is in a celebratory mood. Did anything this weekend
make you think you may be in the minority?
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:59 PM
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25. NO. The majority of americans where at...
their homes musing about how they're gonna pay the bills at the end of the month.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:26 PM
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29. Grump
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:27 PM by HughMoran
:wtf:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:39 PM
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33. Half the state of michigan are without jobs....I know a great deal of
them and they were all filled with hope this weekend. You keep swimming in those murky waters...we're moving forward.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:30 PM
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18. Really appreciate the concern and the insight!!
Thanks!!
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:37 PM
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20. First African-American president
Yeah, nothing to celebrate there......
:shrug:
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:37 PM
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21. Your concern is duly noted...n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:40 PM
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22. and all that music - doesn't anyone have any perspective?


and the balloons the bastards.


and they bring the children, the children!! Doesn't anyone care about the children?
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:41 PM
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23. I want to keep my hope for now.
And I disagree, most in the nation not only NEED but WANT to celebrate what we believe will be a reversal, if not an outright halt, to the despicable and criminal policies and actions of the past eight years.

If, after Obama gets into office, he does NOT deliver, then it is up to US to hold him accountable.

It's not that I approve of escalating the war in Afghanistan or not prosecuting the BushCo criminals or the other things of which you speak. I don't. But what Obama has said ... or what others have said, supposedly on his behalf ... during this seemingly endless transition period will not keep me from celebrating in the meantime.

There'll be time enough for accountability, once he is actually in office. But I'm willing to give him a honeymoon period of goodwill because he is, by every measure possible, so much of an improvement over the a**wipe who has been in office over the past eight years that celebration is simply a no-brainer.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:21 PM
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27. huh ?
"If, after Obama gets into office, he does NOT deliver, then it is up to US to hold him accountable."

We will be busy rationalizing his wrongdoings away, it'll be too late when we realize we should start "holding him accountable" . Don't get me wrong, I do sincerely hope Obama will be the best president we've ever had, but I also know he's politician and they don't deserve the adulation cos they usually don't keep their promises. I know what I'm talking about.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:41 PM
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24. If you are going to wait for the world to be a perfect place....
....or your government, country or even your life to be perfect...to celebrate, then you'll never celebrate. It's important to celebrate whatever there is to celebrate regardless of whatever else is going on. And this time, this election, this Inauguration is truly a time of celebration for many reasons.

If you prefer to just sit and contemplate the negatives and "what ifs"...fine...but don't judge or discourage those who get a tremendous amount of joy from this.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:35 PM
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31. I just hope for them...
that they won't be judging themselves soon.

I'm not beeing negative, just realistic . There's no need for 4 days of intense celebration for the inauguration. We'll have plenty of time and opportunities to celebrate Obama once he delivers on his promises ( that's what matters really!).
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JSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:11 PM
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26. The exit of Bush, Cheny and the Cabal of Crooks
is reason enough for delirious celebration and total euphoria.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:24 PM
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28. I couldn't disagree with you more
The one thing we DO need now is positiveness - including a big inauguration celebration so that everyone in this country knows that "things are different now". This IS a big deal and needs a BIG celebration.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:26 PM
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30. I'm sorry....
Is someone forcing you to celebrate?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:38 PM
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32. Do NOT put a space BEFORE periods and commas and exclamation points.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:40 PM
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34. What country are you living in again? I'm in America and we are in a celebratory mood.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:42 PM
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36. No dancing Ewoks but that's not a hard line
nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:49 PM
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38. What exactly do you like, since McSame isn't available? nt
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annarbor Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:59 PM
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39. What an odd post....
And you expected what type of reply? The entire world is celebrating this man's arrival. You are going to have a miserable next couple of days eh?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:00 PM
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40. Free Slim Whitman.
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