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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:58 AM
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The rise of Jaws-economics: "We're gonna need a bigger boat!"
We are not in a cyclical recession. We are in the aftermath of an economic bubble.

Observing the internet bubble I was more than alarmed because ALL economic bubbles take down their host economy when they burst. (Even a mania as comical as the tulip bulb bubble absolutely demolished the Dutch economy.)

The internet bubble was really, really big in both absolute and percentage terms. It has been unwinding for eight years. The bubble was squeezed from stocks into real estate Then when th real estate bubble started to deflate it rushed into commodities. (Oil, gold, food, etc.) These things don't happen overnight.

Every class of asset has had a bubble rip through it leaving people skeptical of the very concept of asset value. Now the only thing people trust is cash, and they are hoarding it accordingly.

When a bubble bursts the money supply contracts dramatically and, more importantly, people lose interest in economic activity. And once prices start deflating cash is the only asset that in increasing in value. There is no incentive to buy anything except staple necessities when you know the price will be lower next week.

So this is not a usual recession.

How bad is it? Consider this: In the last year our economy has received the largest stimulus jolts in history, not once but repeatedly. The price of oil being cut in half is equivalent to every tax cut in memory rolled into one. The Fed has created more money in six months than anyone can ever imagine. The government mailed checks to every taxpayer in the country. We de facto nationalized the mortgage industry and the investment banking industry.

And the effect of all of this has not stopped the slide.

Your car is stuck in the snow. You keep putting sheets of cardboard under the spinning wheels to gain traction but they are just spit out. You can sit there all day feeding sheets of cardboard under the spinning wheels and hope that there will be a cumulative effect of all this cardboard, or you can put something thicker under the wheels.

The stimulus needs to be:

1) unimaginably large, in keeping with the equally unimaginable scale of the problem.

2) Dramatic and different—jarring, cataclysmic, explosive... chose your adjective. It has to be a game changer, not merely palliative. Usually you try to soften the blow while waiting for the business cycle to work through the problem. In this case it is possible that there is no natural rebound to wait for because this is not a cyclical recession.

3) It must fundamentally change consumer behavior. That's why it has to be dramatic—the most striking, attention getting, rules-changing use of government power in our lifetimes. Pumping some money into the system on the edges will not change consumer behavior. Creating jobs directly will not change mass consumer behavior—consider that all the employment talk is about how to keep unemployment under 10%. Unemployment is currently 7.2% and the consumer is already flat-lined. If we are flat-lined at 7.2% then we aren't going to be happy shoppers at 9.2%, even though 9.2% is obviously much better than 12.2%.

4) Inflationary. When you're putting stuff under those wheels spinning on snow the car doesn't usually ease out of the snow. You put stuff under the wheels and rock it and pump the gas and eventually it leaps out of the snow. Then you hit the brakes and regain control. The kind of fundamental change in consumer behavior we need will be inflationary and as long as inflation is not a problem then we are not doing enough. Inflation is the second worst thing in the world... right after deflation.


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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:36 PM
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1. Great analogy and info
I *just* said this exact same quote to my friend who is 3 mos overdue on her mortgage...

"we're gonna need a WAAAAY bigger boat"

I agree that the biggest change about to come out of this whole thing is going to be a shift in the fundamentals of how we view money, spending, etc on a global and personal scale...
we have been far too indulgent and living of our credit cards for everything from that big flatscreen we "gotta have" to the basics of food, gas, etc...
and out country has done the same thing with a war it cannot afford
and by running up credit everywhere else just for regular goods...

Money and it's fundamental uses is changing.
the question is will we revert back to wampum beads, or will we figure out a better way?

I think the ideas that will help us most are accountability and realism, and more community centered commodities. In the early settlers days, the viability of a town was directly related to it's ability to produce things people needed. I think we are going back to that. and I think peak oil will play a part as well.
Because at this point, many who are finding their own litle dinghys tossed about (and their flatscreen and baubles are long si9nce tossed overboard)
they find that a bigger boat is a better bet, and people are coming together to help eachother more and more.

Perhaps, if nothing else, this crisis will teach us how to rely on our own ingenuity and others help in ways we haven't seen in centuries.

(wow, first post of the day and I am feelin a bit prolific! ;)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 09:37 PM
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4. Well, my town used to make steel for bridges, etc. NOW? Sold the land to Sands Casino. Great timing
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 09:37 PM by WinkyDink
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:15 PM
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2. +++
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:38 PM
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 01:36 PM
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7. ooo
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:12 PM
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5. K & R !!!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 02:14 AM
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6. Thanks. And PS: "consumer behavior" can be better read as "consumer psychology" throughout the OP
Psychology drives behavior so they're closely connected, but "psychology" conveys the point better. People need to be unafraid even if it is more rational to be afraid. That's why I think a measure that seems almost surreal is needed. It should seem wildly out of the ordinary.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 03:22 PM
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8. Watch out, the Ron-Paulistas will start screaming at you about inflation.
In the mind of Libertarian dingbats you are "sucking up to the evil inflationary Central Bank conspiracy" or similar BS I see spewed on DU on a regular basis
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 03:33 PM
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9. Inflation is very, very bad, but it would certainly solve the housing crisis.
Inflation would benefit holders of fixed-rate debt at the detriment of the holders of that debt.

Those holding mortgage debt are screwed either way... if prices keep going down those mortgages will be defaulted on.

If inflation drives prices up then the debt is paid with devalued dollars.

Either way the debt-holder loses... but they're almost all bankrupt already anyway. So screw 'em.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 06:02 PM
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10. Ya know, it just occured to me that a currency devaluation would help with exports
Obama needs to tell China to remove it's currency controls and let the Yuan rise in value or we devalue the dollar and devastate Chinese exporters.
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